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`·1· · · · · · · ·UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
`· · · · · · · · ·SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF INDIANA
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`·4· ·SAUDER MANUFACTURING· · · · ·)
`· · ·COMPANY,· · · · · · · · · · ·)
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`· · · · · · · Plaintiff,· · · · · )
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`· · · · · · · · ·-vs-· · · · · · ·) CIVIL ACTION NO.
`·7· · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · ) 3:14-cv-00962-JL
`· · ·J SQUARED, INC. d/b/a· · · · )
`·8· ·UNIVERSITY LOFT COMPANY,· · ·)
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`·9· · · · · · Defendant.· · · · · )
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`12· · · · · · · · DEPOSITION OF JUSTIN DAVIS
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`14· · · · ·The deposition upon oral examination of
`· · · JUSTIN DAVIS, a witness produced and sworn before
`15· · me, Kelly S. Horsley, RPR, CSR #98-R-3004, Notary
`· · · Public in and for the County of Hendricks, State of
`16· · Indiana, taken on behalf of the Plaintiff, at the
`· · · offices of Taft, Stettinius & Hollister LLP,
`17· · Indianapolis, Indiana, on the 28th day of January,
`· · · 2015, at 9:43 A.M., pursuant to the Federal Rules
`18· · of Civil Procedure with written notice as to time
`· · · and place thereof.
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`·4· ·matter was examined and testified as follows:
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`·1· · · · · · · · · · · JUSTIN DAVIS,
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`·7· · · ·like to put on the record that Phil and I have
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`·8· · · ·talked and we're going to designate this
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`·9· · · ·transcript as AEO since it's using the exhibits
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`10· · · ·that are documents produced by the defendant
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`11· · · ·that have been designated AEO rather than
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`12· · · ·interrupt each question and answer.· And he and
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`13· · · ·I then will review the transcript and redact as
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`14· · · ·necessary in order that we can share the
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`15· · · ·transcript with our clients.· Fair enough?
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`16· · · · · · MR. BAUTISTA:· Fair enough.
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`17· ·DIRECT EXAMINATION,
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`18· · · QUESTIONS BY MR. MICHAEL M. JACOB:
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`19· ·Q· ·Okay.· Morning, Mr. Davis.
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`20· ·A· ·Morning.
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`21· ·Q· ·My name is Michael Jacob.· I represent the
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`22· · · ·plaintiff, Sauder Manufacturing.· Next to me is
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`23· · · ·my partner, Tom Young.· Will you state your name
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`24· · · ·for the record, please.
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`25· ·A· ·Justin Davis.
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`·2· ·Q· ·If we say "Loft" or "U Loft" we're talking about
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`·1· ·A· ·Loft.
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`·3· · · ·the same thing?
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`·4· ·A· ·Yeah, University Loft.
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`·5· ·Q· ·So first job after the rental?
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`·6· ·A· ·First real, yeah, real career, I guess.
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`·7· ·Q· ·First real job?
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`·8· ·A· ·Yeah.
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`·9· ·Q· ·That's the kind of conversation I have with my
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`11· ·A· ·Grown-up job.
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`12· ·Q· ·Get a grown-up job.
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`14· ·Q· ·Okay.· And what year did you go to work for
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`16· ·A· ·I believe it was 2006.
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`17· ·Q· ·And what position did you hire in as?
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`18· ·A· ·It was more of a data entry-type position in the
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`20· ·Q· ·Did you have a title?
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`21· ·A· ·It was called "item master coordinator."
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`22· ·Q· ·Do you know if U Loft is a corporation?
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`23· ·A· ·I'm not sure.
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`24· ·Q· ·You're not a shareholder?
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`·4· ·Q· ·Okay.· You were just always an employee?
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`·2· · · ·never became an officer or a director there?
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`·6· ·Q· ·Okay.· And as the item master in 2006, how long
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`·8· ·A· ·Probably the first two and a half, three years
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`10· ·Q· ·So that would take us to 2008?· 2009?
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`11· ·A· ·Um-hum.
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`12· · · · · · THE COURT REPORTER:· Yes?
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`13· · · · · · THE WITNESS:· Yes.· Correct.
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`14· · · · · · THE COURT REPORTER:· Thank you.
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`15· ·Q· ·You received a promotion?
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`16· ·A· ·Yes.
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`17· ·Q· ·And what were you promoted to?
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`·6· ·Q· ·And this would be data that would be given to
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`·8· ·A· ·Yes, and -- yeah, I guess that would be correct.
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`·9· ·Q· ·Okay.· And the others would be like, for
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`11· ·A· ·Not necessarily.· They didn't employ any
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`14· ·Q· ·We'll get to China in a minute, but here --
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`19· ·Q· ·Okay.· And where is -- just for the record,
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`20· · · ·where is U Loft's offices here in Indiana?
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`21· ·A· ·Mt. Comfort.
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`22· ·Q· ·I'm sorry?
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`23· ·A· ·Mt. Comfort.
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`24· ·Q· ·Mt. Comfort?
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`·9· ·Q· ·And as the product development coordinator, did
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`12· ·A· ·Yes, we did.
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`13· ·Q· ·Can you tell me when that first was done?
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`14· ·A· ·Not exactly, no.
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`22· ·Q· ·Well, who asked you to do it?
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`14· ·Q· ·Do you know why he left?
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`17· ·Q· ·Do you know where he's at now?
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`13· ·Q· ·What is she asking you to do, if you remember?
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`14· ·A· ·It appears that she's asking us to buy another
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`16· ·Q· ·Is she asking to you buy a Sauder chair?
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`·5· ·Q· ·Sample of a Sauder chair; right?
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`·6· ·A· ·That's what it appears, yeah.
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`20· ·A· ·I still don't recall; but, yeah, I mean, it
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