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` BEFORE THE PATENT TRIAL AND APPEAL BOARD
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` APPLE, INC AND TWITTER
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` Petitioners,
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` SUMMIT 6
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` Patent Owner.
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` ______________________
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` Case IPR2015
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` Patent 00685, 686, 687 and 688.
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`Before HOWARD B. BLANKENSHIP, KERRY BEGLEY and
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`GEORGIANNA W. BRADEN, Administrative Patent Judges
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`Job No. 2031172
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`Apple/Twitter
`Ex. 1029
`IPR2015-00686
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` A P P E A R A N C E S
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`ON BEHALF OF PETITIONER:
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` STERNE, KESSLER, GOLDSTEIN & FOX PLLC
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` BY: JASON D. EISENBERG, ESQUIRE
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`ON BEHALF OF PATENT OWNER:
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` LEE & HAYES, PLLC
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` BY: PETER J. AYERS, ESQUIRE
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` REID JOHNSON, ESQUIRE
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` BRIAN MANGUM, ESQUIRE
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` P-R-O-C-E-E-D-I-N-G-S.
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` JUDGE BLANKENSHIP: This is Judge
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`Blankenship from the P tab (phonetic). Also on
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`are Judges Begley and Braden. This call concerns
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`cases of IPR2015-000685, 686, 687 and 688. Is
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`counsel for patent owner on the line?
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` MR. AYERS: Yes, he is, Your Honor.
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`Peter Ayers for Patent owner 76.
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` JUDGE BLANKENSHIP: All right. Counsel
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`for Petitioner.
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` MR. EISENBERG: Yes, Your Honor. This
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`is Jason Eisenberg for Petitioner.
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` JUDGE BLANKENSHIP: All right. Is there
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`a court reporter on the line?
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` THE COURT REPORTER: Yes. Donna Lewis
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`the court reporter.
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` JUDGE BLANKENSHIP: Who is providing the
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`court reporter?
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` MR. EISENBERG: The Petitioner, Your
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`Honor.
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` JUDGE BLANKENSHIP: All right. Can you
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`see that a copy of the transcript is filed in
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`these cases when it is available?
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` MR. EISENBERG: Yes sir.
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` JUDGE BLANKENSHIP: All right. We
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`understand the Patent owner seeks authorization to
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`file a motion to stay in ex parte reexamination
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`90012987. Patent owner, can you tell us why a
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`motion to stay is appropriate?
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` MR. AYERS: Yes, Your Honor. It is
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`appropriate in this case because that
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`reexamination involves some of the same patents --
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`the same -- one of the same patents that is at
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`issue in nine -- or several of these IPRs
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`challenging the same claims based on the same
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`identical prior art as presented in these IPRs.
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`And we just think given that the patent owner is
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`now -- it is not just these four IPRs, there have
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`actually been a total of ten IPRs file against
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`three related patents. In nine of those involve
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`the two prime -- the two sole prior art references
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`that are being asserted in the reexam. We just
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`think that it would be much more efficient for
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`that matter to be stayed to allow us to -- the
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`record to be developed in the IPRs because the
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`same issues will be presented, namely the scope of
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`the patent, the 482 patent in particular, some
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`claim construction issues are presented in the
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`scope of what the prior art teaches in the Mattus
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`(phonetic) and Gregler (phonetic) references that
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`are being -- that form the basis for their
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`reexamination are also the basis for or at issue
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`in nine of the ten IPRs. And we just requested
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`this call in connection with four of those that
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`specifically challenged the 4A2. But the Kramer
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`and Mathis patents or references are also being
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`asserted as the basis for invalidity in the 681,
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`683, 806 and 807 IPRs which involve either the
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`same 4A2 patent or two related patents. So we are
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`going to be having to vet these same issues in
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`nine of the ten IPRs. And we just think that that
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`is inefficient if nothing else but -- so we would
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`request that that reexam be stayed and that these
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`issues be vetted in the inter parties review where
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`the full record can be developed and we can
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`conserve our resources in defending against all of
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`these IPRs.
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` JUDGE BLANKENSHIP: Has the trial been
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`instituted in any of these IPRs that you've
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`mentioned?
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` MR. AYERS: No, Your Honor. They were
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`just filed. And we moved as quickly as possible.
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`We have only been retained now for a week or so.
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`So we are still trying to get our arms around all
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`of these matters. And it is a considerable
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`challenge. It looks like the defendants -- you
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`know, the petitioners in this case put these --
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`the claims and the grounds up and have presented
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`them in individual IPRs and individual groups of
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`claims. So we have a considerable challenge ahead
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`of us in trying to defend against these, let alone
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`concurrently fight the ex parte reexam. So we
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`just would request that that be stayed to allow us
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`to concentrate our efforts on these IPRs where the
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`same exact issues are going to be presented.
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` JUDGE BLANKENSHIP: What is the status
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`of the reexamination proceeding?
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` MR. AYERS: The reexamination is now on
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`appeal. The examiner has filed his answering
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`briefs. Our Summit 6 reply brief is due
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`March 30th. So it is a matter of somewhat urgency
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`to see if we can stay and preserve the resources
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`that it would take to pull that together as well
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`as, obviously, any hearing on that which from what
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`I understand would occur during the pendency of
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`this inter parties review should it be instituted.
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` JUDGE BLANKENSHIP: And would the stay
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`be consistent with 35 USC Section 305 that
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`requires that the reexam proceeding be conducted
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`with special dispatch within the office?
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` MR. AYERS: Yes it would, Your Honor.
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`The board has stayed reexaminations in a number of
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`cases pending inter party's review. And if we
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`were permitted to brief this we would identify
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`those cases for Your Honor.
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` JUDGE BLANKENSHIP: All right. Can we
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`hear from petitioner?
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` MR. EISENBERG: Yes. Our client does
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`not have a position on whether or not they should
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`be able to brief this at this time. We just
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`reserve the right to have an opposition to
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`whatever they may file.
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` JUDGE BLANKENSHIP: All right. Patent
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`owner, anything else to add?
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` MR. AYERS: Well, the only thing I would
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`add, Your Honor, is just that if we can have a
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`expedited briefing schedule. As I said, our reply
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`brief is currently due March 20th. We are
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`prepared to file a five-page motion tomorrow on
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`this issue but would ask for similar turn around
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`from the petitioner's, perhaps Monday. So that if
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`possible we could get a ruling next week ahead of
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`when our reply briefs would be due, perhaps
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`Wednesday or something. I know that that is
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`asking a lot and I apologize for that. We brought
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`this to the board just as soon as we were engaged.
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` JUDGE BLANKENSHIP: All right. We will
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`go on mute for a while and the panel will confer.
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` MR. AYERS: Thank you Your Honor.
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` (Whereupon, a recess occurred from 4:38
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`sufficient reason at this time to authorize the
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`motion to stay the reexam proceeding and a written
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`order to that affect will be entered in due
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`course. If trial is instituted in any of these
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`cases, patent owner may renew its request to file
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`a motion to stay or you may also renew the request
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`if and when the reexamination appeal is docketed
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`at the board.
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` Anything else we need to discuss today?
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` MR. EISENBERG: Nothing for petitioner,
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`Your Honor.
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` MR. AYERS: No, Your Honor, nothing from
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`patent owner.
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` JUDGE BLANKENSHIP: Thank you. We are
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`adjourned.
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` MR. AYERS: Thank you, Your Honor.
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` (Whereupon, at 4:44 p.m., the above
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` REPORTER'S CERTIFICATE
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` I, DONNA M. LEWIS, RPR, Certified
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`Shorthand Reporter, certify;
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` That the foregoing proceedings were
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`taken before me telephonically at the time and
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` That the questions propounded and all
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` I declare that I am not of counsel to
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`the outcome of this action.
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` As witness, my hand and notary seal this
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`22nd day of March 2015.
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