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`UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
`EASTERN DISTRICT OF TEXAS
`LUFKIN DIVISION
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`DOCKET 9:09CV111
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`REPORTER'S TRANSCRIPT OF JURY TRIAL
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`BEFORE THE HONORABLE RON CLARK
`UNITED STATES DISTRICT JUDGE, AND A JURY
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`CONTINUED DIRECT EXAM OF KEVIN C. ALMEROTH
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`CROSS-EXAMINATION OF KEVIN C. ALMEROTH
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`DIRECT EXAMINATION OF ANTHONY M. FADELL
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`CROSS-EXAMINATION OF ANTHONY M. FADELL
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`CONTINUED CROSS-EXAM OF KEVIN C. ALMEROTH
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`CONCORDANCE INDEX
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`INDEX OF EXHIBITS
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`Plaintiff's Exhibit 287
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`Plaintiff's Exhibit 98
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`Plaintiff's Exhibit 98
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`Plaintiff's Exhibit 712
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`Plaintiff's Exhibit 712
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`Plaintiff's Exhibit 712
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`Plaintiff's Exhibit 715
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`Plaintiff's Exhibit 714
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`Plaintiff's Exhibit 713
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`Plaintiff's Exhibit 628A
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`Plaintiff's Exhibit 628A
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`Plaintiff's Exhibit 107
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`Plaintiff's Exhibit 107
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`Plaintiff's Exhibit 107
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`Plaintiff's Exhibit 113
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`Plaintiff's Exhibit 377
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`Plaintiff's Exhibit 712
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`713, and 714 and 715
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`Plaintiff's Exhibit 712
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`Plaintiff's Exhibit 712
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`Plaintiff's Exhibit 712
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`Plaintiff's Exhibit 715
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`Plaintiff's Exhibit 714
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`Plaintiff's Exhibit 713
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`712, 713, 714, and 715
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`Plaintiff's Exhibit 772A through 781A
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`Exhibit 95
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`Plaintiff's Exhibit 1
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`Defendant's Exhibit 104
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`JURY TRIAL, VOLUME 4, 8:28 A.M., TUESDAY, JUNE 28, 2011,
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`BEAUMONT, TEXAS, HON. RON CLARK PRESIDING.)
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`gentlemen.
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`THE COURT:
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`Welcome back, ladies and
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`Counsel, go ahead.
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`Good morning, Dr. Almeroth.
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`When we left off yesterday, we were looking at
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`kinds of documents contain the same information in the
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`user guides and chip schematics and bills of materials
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`They contained very similar information.
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`This is a chart that I prepared.
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`for other parts, they are also substantially the same.
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`Yes, sir, they are.
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`Explain that, please.
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`column and any row and match it up.
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`And what I've tried
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`opinion, then there would be a dividing line.
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`So, for example, in the "means for accepting,"
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`Clickwheel, that you could just press the Clickwheel and
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`that would correspond to the button.
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`All right.
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`this board of keys here are separate from the Clickwheel.
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`But then in the later versions -- and I'll do the mini 2
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`You have --
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`Doctor -- I'm sorry -- could you just tell us the
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`Yes, sir.
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`This is Defendant's Exhibit 104.
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`Thank you.
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`This device has the buttons that are part of the
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`Clickwheel.
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`You can still move your finger around in a
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`circular fashion to navigate up and down lists, but the
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`buttons themselves are part of the Clickwheel.
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`harder to see but it has the same kind of configuration.
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`That's correct.
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`There are the four buttons, the
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`Yes.
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`That's correct.
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`All right.
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`we went through in detail yesterday.
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`You're speaking about Column 1 here (indicating)?
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`Yes, sir.
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`Okay.
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`So, for example, we talked about the hard disk
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`Nanos 1, 2, and 3 have a NAND flash; and I
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`That's correct.
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`That's correct.
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`Apple had grouped these together
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`what's interesting about that grouping is one of the
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`Apple didn't draw a distinction between the type of mass
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`What is NAND flash?
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`NAND flash is a kind of chip that you're able to
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`store programs on.
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`There is a type of flash memory that
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`It's persistent because when power leaves
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`the device, what's stored on that device is still there.
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`There's advantages to using NAND.
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`How did you determine that the -- some
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`I used much of the same methodology, the kinds of
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`playlists.
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`I'm showing you now Plaintiff's Exhibit 287.
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`A.
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`This is part of the technical specification.
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`This
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`is one of the documents, and it relates to -- now we're
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`talking about the nano third generation device.
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`And that's what the title says up here?
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`Yes, sir.
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`Now, what in this document was relevant to the
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`There's two parts I would want to point out to.
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`4 gigabytes and also there is a second type of device
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`Yes, sir, I did.
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`What did you find?
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`Was there another part of this document you wanted
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`Down here (indicating), under "capacity," it
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`provides a little bit more information.
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`It mentions
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`again that the capacity of this flash drive is
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`4 gigabytes and 8 gigabytes.
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`What does that tell you?
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`That tells you that -- especially these other
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`lines where it talks about the songs and the format are
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`related to using that device to store -- the NAND flash
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`drive to store songs.
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`What
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`One of the included accessories are the earphones.
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`I looked at both the bill of materials and also
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`All right.
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`Let's look at the chip schematic.
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`What is this?
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`This is for N46 -- that's the internal code word
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`for the -- I believe it's the nano 3.
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`And down here
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`(indicating) it talks about NAND flash, and it has in
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`parentheses "mass storage."
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`Okay.
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`And is that an indication you relied on to
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`storage?
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`It is.
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`Just as long as we're looking at this document, do
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`you see the line that says -- line 6 here, "WM audio"?
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`What's that a reference to?
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`It's part of this device.
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`RVP."
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`What's that about?
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`Now, you mentioned NAND flash is on
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`If we go to page 4 of Plaintiff's Exhibit 98,
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`This is the NAND flash, and then there is the
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`information in the technical specifications and the chip
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`schematics for all eight groups of iPods that you
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`analyzed?
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`Yes, I did.
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`Yes, they do.
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`That's correct.
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`Now, I asked you about
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`Yes.
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`There are additional documents, both -- and
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`Okay.
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`Let's go to the next row here, which is
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`And it says that's relevant to 1D, 1E, and
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`Can you explain that, please?
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`Yes.
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`The software that we looked at yesterday, 1D
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`was continuously playing; 1E was the means for
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`detecting -- I went over that fairly quickly because
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`present -- and then for 1F, that was executing the skip
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`forward command.
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`claim that had algorithm steps.
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`So, what I have labeled here as the row is the
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`label of "algorithms"; and what I've pointed out is
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`across these eight groups, there are really three
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`The first one was
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`So, let's just understand this, Dr. Almeroth.
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`change you just mentioned is that some iPods were using
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`use some of this TPodMediaPlayer.cpp type code?
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`Yes.
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`I mentioned that there were 23,000 files
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`across the 13 devices; and I've really just picked one of
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`the main file names to represent all of the code.
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`Many of the files stayed the same that were
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`Some changed over time and --
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`but at the same time, I found all of the algorithms that
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`It's not exactly the same, but it's very close.
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`The same thing for some of the other functions
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`They have the very similar kind of algorithms.
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`There's a
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`couple of different steps as some of the devices included
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`additional features.
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`There's additional things that the
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`software would do.
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`algorithms were very, very similar.
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`use the hybrid and the TPodMediaPlayer.cpp type code, did
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`Okay.
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`The parts that are highlighted that
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`A.
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`That's correct.
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`Okay.
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`And when we walked through lines of source
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`That's exactly correct.
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`Now, did you find, Dr. Almeroth, for all eight
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`equivalently in all eight groups of iPods?
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`Yes, sir, I did.
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`Yes.
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`That's correct.
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`That's -- yes.
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`So --
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`A.
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`Sorry.
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`Continuously reproducing was 1D.
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`I'm sorry.
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`I misspoke.
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`Thank you, Dr. Almeroth.
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`Can you now, with reference to TPodMediaPlayer
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`type code, explain how you found some of these
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`algorithms?
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`A.
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`Certainly.
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`I used a very similar technique.
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`I
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`went into the code.
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`Certainly having learned what I
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`learned from the Player.c, I could look for similar kinds
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`of statements that would be used as a guide that would
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`show me what was happening.
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`I also used as a guide, for example, the -- we
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`talked about the interrogatories that were provided by
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`Apple yesterday; and that provided information about
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`where in that source code the functions related to
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`continuously reproducing, skip, and then the back
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`commands.
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`Can you actually show us some source code to show
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`us what you found?
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`A.
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`Yes, I can.
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`All right.
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`Where should we start?
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`One of the things that I did -- and remember for
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`continuously reproducing as well as for skip forward --
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`was after both parts came to this PlayerNext -- and what
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`PlayerNext had to do was to figure out what the next
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`playable item was, and it would do that by calling a
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`function.
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`That was the "while" loop and then the
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`comment.
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`One of the things that I did was to look for
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`that same kind of information in the source code.
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`What
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`I've got then is for four different versions, starting at
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`the very beginning with the classic 3 going all of the
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`way to the nano 5, some information related to that.
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`So, Mr. Holdreith, if you could put up on the
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`screen, there is a Plaintiff's Exhibit 712; and that is
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`nano 5 source code.
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`Q.
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`I'm now showing you Plaintiff's Exhibit 712.
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`Is
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`that what you're referring to?
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`A.
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`Q.
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`A.
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`Yes, sir.
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`Okay.
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`If you go to page 31 in that document --
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`Dr. Almeroth, let me ask you a question.
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`Are we
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`code together on the screen now, or are we going to stick
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`Let me just point out some of the features of this
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`one version first.
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`Okay.
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`So, that was page 32?
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`A.
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`Let's start with page 31.
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`31.
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`All right -- oops.
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`I think I gave you 30.
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`I'll go forward one.
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`Okay.
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`I'm showing you Plaintiff's Exhibit 712
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`at page 31.
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`Just to be perfectly clear, this is which
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`source code?
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`A.
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`This is for the nano 5.
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`All right.
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`And if you pull up -- if you can expand on this
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