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Hawthorne, Eric W.
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`From:
`Sent:
`To:
`Cc:
`
`Subject:
`
`Christopher Bovenkamp <cbovenkamp@McKoolSmith.com>
`Wednesday, September 19, 2018 4:15 PM
`Trials
`Micallef, Joseph; Dillon, Samuel; Wolff, Jason (NON-SIDLEY @FR.COM); Andrew Heinz;
`Kevin McNish; Kevin Hess; Hatcher, Michael D.
`IPR2015-00483, 484, 485, 486, 1729, 1731, 1732, 1734
`
`Follow Up Flag:
`Flag Status:
`
`Follow up
`Flagged
`
`Your Honors— 
`

`On September 14, the Board directed the parties to meet and confer about a procedure for briefing the outstanding 
`issues.  The parties met and conferred, but did not reach agreement.  The parties’ respective positions are set forth 
`below. 
`
`                  
`
`Petitioners 
`
`  
`Petitioners believe that, because Petitioners bear the burden on the issues to be decided, they should file an opening 
`brief and be given a chance to reply to any response to that brief.  Petitioners also do not believe bifurcation of issues as 
`requested by Patent Owner below is warranted or efficient as the Board should address and resolve all issues before any 
`appeal.  Petitioners therefore propose a briefing procedure as follows: 
`  
`‐ Three weeks after the Board sets the schedule/procedure, Petitioners will file a joint opening brief of 15 pages 
`addressing all live issues; 
`‐ Two weeks after the opening brief deadline, Patent Owner will file a response brief of 15 pages; 
`‐ One week after the response brief deadline, Petitioners will file a joint reply brief of 5 pages. 
`  
`If the Panel does bifurcate the bar issues and have them briefed separately first, Petitioners request three rounds of 
`briefing as set forth above, but with 7 page opening and response briefs and a 3 page reply brief. 

`Regardless of the Panel’s decision on bifurcation, no new evidence should be permitted, except evidence relating to the 
`applicability and effects of Section 315(e) estoppel on Petitioners in the parallel district court litigation.  Since that 
`estoppel arose only after the issuance of the Final Written Decisions in these proceedings, Petitioners could not have 
`submitted such evidence earlier.  Petitioners believe that no oral hearing is necessary, but are available for one at the 
`Panel’s convenience. 
`
`  
`Petitioners believe that the live issues are:  (1) anticipation based on the SWEB disclosure regarding modifying the UNIX 
`sockets (including waiver and enablement issues related thereto), (2) obviousness based upon request forwarding, (3) 
`whether Section 315(b) may bar Microsoft from continuing these IPRs under the Click‐to‐Call decision (including the 
`mandate rule and due process issues related thereto), and (4) whether, if Microsoft is barred, IBM can continue these 
`IPRs as a previously joined party. 

`Patent Owner 
`
`  
`Patent Owner believes the briefing should be bifurcated because without the requisite statutory authority the Board 
`does not have the authority to address the other, substantive issues.  Thus, Patent Owner proposes that the parties first 
`submit briefing on whether the Board has statutory authority to act given the alleged time‐bar issues.  If the Board finds 
`
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`

`

`Regards, 
`
`Chris Bovenkamp 
`
`it has the requisite statutory authority, then (and only then) the parties would submit briefing on the substantive issues 
`on which the Federal Circuit remanded the case.  If the Board finds that it does not have the requisite statutory 
`authority, then it would dismiss the case, and petitioner(s) would be free to appeal that decision.  If the Patent Owner’s 
`proposal is adopted, then Patent Owner proposes that each party submit simultaneous 7‐page briefs on the time‐bar 
`issue three weeks following the Board’s order resolving the procedural dispute between the parties followed two weeks 
`later by 7‐page responsive briefs.  If, instead, Petitioner’s time‐bar briefing proposal is adopted, then Patent Owner 
`would request the good faith disclosure of Petitioner’s “defenses” to the time bar such that Patent Owner may address 
`the substance of Petitioner’s arguments in its initial brief.  If substantive briefing occurs, the procedure outlined below 
`would take place: 

`‐ Two weeks after the Board’s decision concluding it has authority to act in view of the time bar, Petitioners will 
`file a joint opening brief of 15 pages addressing all live issues; 
`‐ Two weeks after the opening brief deadline, Patent Owner will file a response brief of 15 pages; 
`‐ One week after the response brief deadline, Petitioners will file a joint reply brief of 5 pages. 
`

`Patent Owner believes that no new evidence should be permitted.  To the extent Petitioners want to introduce evidence 
`outside the current record, Petitioners should file a motion with the Board setting forth the grounds and basis for its 
`request (including what theories such evidence may arguably be relevant to). Patent Owner also believes that no oral 
`hearing is necessary, but is available for one at the Panel’s convenience. 

`

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