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`SOLOCRON MEDIA, LLC,
` Plaintiff,
`vs. Case No.
`VERIZON, et al., CELLCO PARTNERSHIP 2:13-CV-1059-JRG
`d.b.a. VERIZON WIRELESS, AT&T, INC.,
`AT&T MOBILITY, LLC, SPRINT
`CORPORATION, SPRINT COMMUNICATIONS
`COMPANY, L.P., SPRINT SOLUTIONS,
`INC., and T-MOBILE USA, INC.
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` 30(b)(6) DEPOSITION OF VERIZON
` DESIGNEE: EDWARD RUTH
` Redwood Shores, California
` Tuesday, March 3, 2015
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`REPORTED BY:
`JANIS JENNINGS, CSR 3942, CLR, CCRR
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`SOLOCRON MEDIA, LLC,
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`d.b.a. VERIZON WIRELESS, AT&T, INC.,
`AT&T MOBILITY, LLC, SPRINT
`CORPORATION, SPRINT COMMUNICATIONS
`COMPANY, L.P., SPRINT SOLUTIONS,
`INC., and T-MOBILE USA, INC.
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` DESIGNEE: EDWARD RUTH
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` VIDEOTAPED DEPOSITION OF EDWARD RUTH, taken
` on behalf of the Plaintiff, at 333 Twin Dolphin
` Drive, Suite 200, Redwood Shores, California,
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` A P P E A R A N C E S:
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` Attorneys for Plaintiff:
` TENSEGRITY LAW GROUP
` 555 Twin Dolphin Drive
` Redwood Shores, California 94065
` BY: WILLIAM NELSON, ESQ.
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` On Behalf of Defendant Verizon:
` WILEY REIN
` 1776 K Street NW
` Washington, DC 20006
` BY: KEVIN ANDERSON, ESQ.
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` ALSO PRESENT:
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` DWAYNE GROTH, Videographer
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`WITNESS
`30(b)(6) VERIZON
`DESIGNEE: EDWARD RUTH
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` EXAMINATION
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`NUMBER DESCRIPTION PAGE
`Exhibit 1 PowerPoint "Verizon Music"; 20
` VZW_SOLOCRON_00086742 - 86771
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`Exhibit 2 Excel Spreadsheet; 29
` VZW_SOLOCRON_00151548 - 151656
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`Exhibit 3 Real Networks Briefing Doc; 50
` VZW_SOLOCRON_00087973 - 87974
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`Exhibit 4 PowerPoint "Tones & RBT Reporting" 55
` August 2009;
` VZW_SOLOCRON_00088177 - 88196
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`Exhibit 5 PowerPoint "Tones & RBT Reporting" 60
` November 2011;
` VZW_SOLOCRON_00090699 - 90711
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`Exhibit 6 PowerPoint "Music Business Review"; 65
` VZW_SOLOCRON_00142873 - 142893
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`Exhibit 7 PowerPoint "2012 Kick-off Meeting"; 74
` VZW_SOLOCRON_00090227 - 90251
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` REDWOOD SHORES, CALIFORNIA; TUESDAY, MARCH 3, 2015;
` 9:12 A.M.
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` THE VIDEOGRAPHER: Good morning. This is 09:11
`the start of disk 1 of the deposition of Edward Ruth 09:11
`in the matter of Solocron Media LLC versus Verizon, 09:11
`et al., in the United States District Court, Eastern 09:11
`District of Texas, Marshall Division, case number 09:11
`2:13-CV-1059-JRG. 09:11
` This deposition is being held at 333 Twin 09:12
`Dolphin Drive in Redwood Shores, California, 09:12
`on Tuesday, March 3rd, 2015, at approximately 09:12
`9:12 a.m. 09:12
` My name is Dwayne Groth from TSG Reporting 09:12
`Incorporated, and I'm the legal video specialist. 09:12
`The court reporter is Janis Jennings in association 09:12
`with TSG Reporting. 09:12
` Will all counsel please introduce yourselves 09:12
`for the record. 09:12
` MR. NELSON: William Nelson of Tensegrity 09:12
`Law Group on behalf of plaintiff Solocron Media. 09:12
` MR. ANDERSON: Kevin Anderson from Wiley 09:12
`Rein on behalf of the defendant Verizon entities, 09:12
`and with me I have Verizon's in-house counsel, 09:12
`Jack Minnear. 09:12
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` THE VIDEOGRAPHER: Will the court reporter 09:12
`please swear in the witness. 09:12
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` EDWARD RUTH,
` the witness herein, was sworn and
` testified as follows:
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` THE VIDEOGRAPHER: You may proceed. 09:13
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` EXAMINATION 09:13
`BY MR. NELSON: 09:13
` Q. Good morning, Mr. Ruth. Thanks for coming 09:13
`in. 09:13
` A. Good morning. 09:13
` Q. Have you ever had your deposition taken 09:13
`before? 09:13
` A. I have. 09:13
` Q. Okay. How many times? 09:13
` A. Once. 09:13
` Q. Once. Okay. Can you tell me at a high 09:13
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` A. Yes. It was with Verizon. 09:13
` Q. Okay. Was it a patent litigation? 09:13
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` Q. Okay. How long ago was that deposition? 09:13
` A. I will give you an approximation. My memory 09:13
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` Q. What was the subject matter, at a high 09:13
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` A. It was a publishing license, so I believe it 09:13
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` A. It was either ringtones, ringback tones or 09:14
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` A. I do. 09:14
` Q. Okay. Do you understand that the court 09:14
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` A. I do. 09:14
` Q. Okay. You're already pretty good at it, but 09:14
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`know, shaking your head, nodding or shrugging, 09:14
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` A. Yes. 09:14
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` A. Yes. 09:14
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` A. Yes. 09:15
` Q. Okay. Is there any reason you can think of 09:15
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` A. Nope. 09:15
` Q. Okay. Did you meet with your counsel to 09:15
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` A. I have, yes. 09:15
` Q. Okay. How many times have you met with 09:15
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` A. Oh, excuse me. Yes, it was. The names of 09:15
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` Q. Sure. I can ask a better question. So you 09:15
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` Q. Was Mr. Minnear present? 09:15
` A. Yes. 09:15
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` Q. Okay. Did you review any documents 09:16
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` A. I did. 09:16
` Q. Did you review any that reviewed your 09:16
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` Q. What documents were those ones? 09:16
` A. I don't remember the exact documents, but 09:16
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`some operational documents that were presented as 09:16
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` Q. Okay. Anything else? 09:16
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` Q. Okay. 09:16
` A. Those are the ones I recall. 09:16
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` A. Yes. 09:17
` MR. NELSON: Okay. I'm happy to take a 09:17
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` MR. ANDERSON: -- then it is him. 09:18
` MR. NELSON: Okay. So he's on 36? 09:18
` MR. ANDERSON: For vendor agreements, yeah. 09:18
` MR. NELSON: Okay. 09:18
` MR. ANDERSON: But I think 35 is already 09:18
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` MR. NELSON: Okay. Thank you. 09:18
`BY MR. NELSON: 09:18
` Q. So are you an employee of Verizon? 09:18
` A. I am. 09:18
` Q. Which entity? 09:18
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` A. Understood. 09:18
` Q. Okay. Thank you. So could you tell me your 09:18
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` A. New business development and partner 09:18
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` Q. How long have you had that title? 09:18
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` A. Well, that job description has probably 09:18
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` Q. Okay. Since about 2011? 09:19
` A. Yes. 09:19
` Q. Okay. 09:19
` A. Later -- later half of 2011. 09:19
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` A. Reasonably. I'm not an engineer. 09:19
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` A. Uh-huh. Yes. 09:20
` Q. Okay. Did your responsibilities in new 09:20
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` A. Yeah. It's essentially a sample of a song 09:20
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` Q. Have they ever included ringtones? 09:21
` A. Yes. 09:21
` Q. Okay. So when have your responsibilities 09:21
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` A. Approximately the years 2005 through 2009, 09:21
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` A. Uh-huh. 09:21
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