In the Matter Of:
`APPLE, INC.
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`DSS TECHNOLOGY MANAGEMENT, INC.
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`_____________________________________________
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`ROBERT DEZMELYK
`December 15, 2015
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`_____________________________________________
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`APL 1011
`IPR2015-00373
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`APPLE, INC.
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`DSS TECHNOLOGY MANAGEMENT, INC.
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`_____________________________________________
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`ROBERT DEZMELYK
`December 15, 2015
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`_____________________________________________
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`IPR2015-00373
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`·1· · · ·UNITED STATES PATENT AND TRADEMARK OFFICE
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`·2· · · · · · · · -------------------
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`·3· · · ·BEFORE THE PATENT TRIAL AND APPEAL BOARD
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`·5· · · · · · · · · · APPLE, INC.,
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`·6· · · · · · · · · · Petitioners,
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`·7· · · · · · · · · · · · V.
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`·8· · · · · DSS TECHNOLOGY MANAGEMENT, INC.
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`·9· · · · · · · · · ·Patent Owner,
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`11· · · · · · · ·Case: IPR2015-00369
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`12· · · · · · · · · · ·IPR2015-00373
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`13· · · · · · ·U.S. Patent No. 6,128,290
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`15· · ·VIDEOTAPED DEPOSITION OF: ROBERT DEZMELYK
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`16· · · · · Taken on Tuesday, December 15, 2015
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`17· · · · · · AT: Foley & Lardner
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`18· · · · · · · · 111 Huntington Avenue
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`19· · · · · · · · Boston, Massachusetts
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`21· ·Job No. WDC-066577· Pages: 1 - 122
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`22· ·Reporter: Katherine A. Tevnan, RPR/CSR
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`·1· ·APPEARANCES:
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`·3· · · STERNE KESSLER GOLDSTEIN FOX
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`·4· · · · · (By David K.S. Cornwell, Esq.,
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`·5· · · · · and Jason A. Fitzsimmons, Esq.)
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`·6· · · · · 1100 New York Avenue, NW
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`·7· · · · · Washington, DC 20005
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`·8· · · · · 202-371-2600
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`·9· · · · · davidc@skgf.com
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`10· · · · · jfitzsimmons@skgf.com
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`11· · · · · for Apple, Inc.
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`13· · · FEINBERG DAY ALBERTI & THOMPSON LLP
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`14· · · · · (By David Alberti, Esq.)
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`15· · · · · 1600 El Camino Real, Suite 280
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`16· · · · · Menlo Park, California 94025
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`17· · · · · 650-384-9869
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`18· · · · · dalberti@feinday.com
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`19· · · · · for Apple, Inc.
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`·1· · · SMITH HOPEN, PA
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`·2· · · · · (By Anton J. Hopen, Esq.,
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`·3· · · · · Nicholas R. Pfeifer, Esq.,
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`·4· · · · · and Andriy Lytvyn, Esq.)
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`·5· · · · · 180 Pine Avenue North
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`·6· · · · · Oldsmar, Florida 34677
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`·7· · · · · 813-925-8505
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`·8· · · · · anton.hopen@smithhopen.com
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`·9· · · · · nicholas.pfeifer@smithhopen.com
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`10· · · · · andrey.lytvyn@smithhopen.com
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`11· · · · · for DSS Technology Management, Inc.
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`13· · · BUETHER JOE & CARPENTER, LLC
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`14· · · · · (By Mark Perantie, Esq.)
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`15· · · · · 1700 Pacific Avenue
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`16· · · · · Suite 4750
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`17· · · · · Dallas, Texas 75201
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`18· · · · · 214-466-1279
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`19· · · · · mark.perantie@bjciplaw.com
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`20· · · · · for DSS Technology Management, Inc.
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`22· ·ALSO PRESENT:· Shawn Budd, Videographer
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`·1· · · · · · · ·P R O C E E D I N G S
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`·3· · · · · · · ·VIDEOGRAPHER:· We are on the record.· This
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`·4· ·is the videographer speaking, Shawn Budd with DTI Court
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`·5· ·Reporting.· Today's date is December 15, 2015.· The time
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`·6· ·is 9:11 a.m.· We are here in Boston, Massachusetts to
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`·7· ·take the video deposition of Robert Dezmelyk in the
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`·8· ·matter of Apple versus DSS Technology Management, Inc.
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`·9· · · · · · · ·Will counsel please introduce themselves.
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`10· · · · · · · ·MR. CORNWELL:· Yes.· I am David Cornwell. I
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`11· ·represent Apple.· And with me today is Jason Fitzsimmons
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`12· ·and David Alberti.
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`13· · · · · · · ·MR. HOPEN:· Counsel for patent owner, Anton
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`14· ·Hopen.
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`15· · · · · · · ·MR. PFEIFER:· Nick Pfeifer.
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`16· · · · · · · ·MR. PERANTIE:· Mark Perantie.
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`17· · · · · · · ·MR. LYTVYN:· And Andriy Lytvyn.
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`18· · · · · · · ·VIDEOGRAPHER:· Will the court reporter
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`19· ·please swear in the witness.
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`20· · · · · · · ·ROBERT DEZMELYK
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`22· ·a witness called for examination by counsel for Apple,
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`·1· ·Inc., being first duly sworn, was examined and testified
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`·2· ·as follows:
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`·4· · · · · · · ·CROSS-EXAMINATION
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`·5· ·BY MR. CORNWELL:
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`·6· · · Q.· Good morning.· Before we begin I want to make
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`·7· ·sure that the record is clear that this is a deposition
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`·8· ·for both IPR2015-00369 and IPR2015-00373.· And I had a
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`·9· ·brief conversation with opposing counsel and they didn't
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`10· ·have any disagreement with the combination deposition.
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`11· · · · · · · ·MR. HOPEN:· I have no objection.
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`12· · · · · · · ·MR. CORNWELL:· Okay.· Thank you.
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`13· ·BY MR. CORNWELL:
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`14· · · Q.· Good morning, Mr. Dezmelyk.
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`15· · · A.· Good morning.
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`16· · · Q.· If I mispronounce your name, I apologize.
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`17· ·Fortunately the court reporter will get it right.
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`18· · · A.· And you got it right yourself, so it is fine.
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`19· · · Q.· I understand that you have had your deposition
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`20· ·taken before; is that correct?
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`21· · · A.· That's correct.
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`22· · · Q.· Well, I just want to make sure that we have a few
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`·1· ·ground rules before we get started.· Can we agree that
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`·2· ·if you don't hear one of my questions, you will let me
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`·3· ·know so that I can repeat the question?
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`·4· · · A.· Of course.
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`·5· · · Q.· Can we also agree that if for some reason you
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`·6· ·don't understand one of my questions, that you will let
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`·7· ·me know so I can rephrase the question?
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`·8· · · A.· Sure.
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`·9· · · Q.· You understand that you are under oath?
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`10· · · A.· Of course.
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`11· · · Q.· And that means you must tell the truth today.
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`12· · · A.· Of course.
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`13· · · Q.· Are you taking any medications today that would
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`14· ·prevent you from testifying truthfully today?
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`15· · · A.· No.
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`16· · · Q.· Are you taking any medications today that would
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`17· ·affect your memory?
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`18· · · A.· No.
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`20· ·to be put on the record by the court reporter?
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`21· · · A.· Yes.
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`22· · · Q.· Okay.· So what I need you to do is give me verbal
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`·1· ·answers and not head shakes and nods.· Do you understand
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`·2· ·that?
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`·3· · · A.· Sure, I understand.
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`·4· · · Q.· Could you tell me what you did to prepare for
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`·5· ·today's deposition?
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`·6· · · A.· Sure.· I did a couple things.· I reviewed my
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`·7· ·Declaration.· The '290 and '357 patents.· I also looked
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`·8· ·at the, I believe, the two prior art patents that are
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`·9· ·still involved in this matter at this point.· I reviewed
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`10· ·some other related documents to the, some of the
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`11· ·exhibits and so forth to the Declaration.· And, you
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`12· ·know, glanced at those documents that were involved in
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`13· ·the matter.
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`14· · · Q.· When you say you glanced at other documents, what
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`15· ·were those documents?
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`16· · · A.· Well, there is a list of exhibits to my
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`17· ·Declaration.· There is a set of exhibits.· I am not
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`18· ·going to be able to recall them all sitting here but I
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`19· ·kindly of briefly reviewed them.· I didn't read them
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`20· ·line for line but of to make it quicker to orient myself
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`21· ·if there is a question about them or something.
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`22· · · Q.· Got it.· Did you -- are those the documents that
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`·1· ·are listed in your Declaration as materials considered?
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`·2· · · A.· Right.· The documents I am referring to in the
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`·3· ·materials that would be exhibits to my Declaration would
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`·4· ·be the ones that are listed.· Although I didn't, for
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`·5· ·instance, reread Dr. Grimes' deposition transcript. I
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`·6· ·would have read it when before I prepared the
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`·7· ·Declaration in the first place.· I didn't reread it.
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`·8· · · Q.· Now, my understanding is that you were hired by
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`·9· ·DSS to sign a Declaration; is that correct?
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`10· · · · · · · ·MR. HOPEN:· Objection.· Form.
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`11· · · A.· I wouldn't phrase it that way.· I think there
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`12· ·is -- I would say that's incorrect.
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`13· · · Q.· Okay.· What is correct?
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`14· · · A.· Well, I was retained by counsel for DSS to
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`15· ·provide technical opinions to provide my input in terms
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`16· ·of my understanding of what a person of ordinary skill
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`17· ·in the art would have known at the time and to offer
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`18· ·opinions about the matter in the IPR's.· I don't think I
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`19· ·would characterize it the way you attempted to
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`20· ·characterize it.
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`21· · · Q.· But ultimately you signed a Declaration; is that
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`22· ·correct?
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`·1· · · A.· More importantly I created the content.· I made
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`·2· ·the ideas which are reflected in it and of course I
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`·3· ·signed it, it is a Declaration.
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`·4· · · Q.· Did you actually type the Declaration?
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`·5· · · A.· Parts of it.· I edited it.· There is more than
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`·6· ·one person working on the typing part of it.
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`·7· · · Q.· Who typed the first draft of the Declaration?
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`·8· · · · · · · ·MR. HOPEN:· Objection.· Form.
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`·9· · · A.· Hard to say because it probably came from some
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`10· ·kind of boiler plate document from the case, so I don't
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`11· ·know the answer to that.
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`12· · · Q.· But it wasn't you?
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`13· · · A.· No.· I don't normally type case headings and try
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`14· ·to figure out the formatting and so forth that people
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`15· ·are using in a case.
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`16· · · Q.· I would like to show you the Declaration which is
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`17· ·Exhibit DSS 2016 and just have you confirm that this is
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`18· ·the Declaration that you signed.· Do you recognize this
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`19· ·document?
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`20· · · A.· Yes.
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`21· · · Q.· This document, just for the record, is labeled
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`22· ·DSS/2016; is that correct?
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`·1· · · A.· Actually, no.
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`·2· · · Q.· Okay.· Could you tell me how it is --
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`·3· · · A.· The one I have is labeled DSS-2016.
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`·4· · · Q.· Okay.
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`·5· · · A.· Not slash.
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`·6· · · Q.· Okay.· You are correct.· It wasn't a test. I
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`·7· ·wanted to make sure we are all looking at the same
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`·8· ·document.
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`·9· · · · · Could you take a look at this document and
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`10· ·confirm that it is the document that you signed?
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`11· · · A.· Well, it certainly appears like it is.· It has my
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`12· ·signature on it.· It appears substantively the same. I
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`13· ·don't think I could do some kind of forensic analysis to
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`14· ·establish that somebody didn't change something.· I am
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`15· ·assuming this is an actual copy of my actual
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`16· ·Declaration, not some kind of modified version or
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`17· ·something.· But it certainly appears to be my
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`18· ·Declaration.
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`19· · · Q.· And that's your, what appears to be a copy of
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`20· ·your signature on page 19?
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`21· · · A.· That is my signature.
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`22· · · Q.· Could you just take a look at the conclusion
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`·1· ·which is paragraph 46?
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`·2· · · A.· Yes.· I looked at it.
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`·3· · · Q.· In paragraph 46 you distinguish certain
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`·4· ·statements that are your own knowledge and certain
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`·5· ·statements made on information and belief.· Do you see
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`·6· ·that?
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`·7· · · A.· Yes.
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`·8· · · · · · · ·MR. HOPEN:· Objection.· Form.
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`·9· · · Q.· So you understand that there are two different
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`10· ·kinds of statements in this Declaration; is that
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`11· ·correct?· Ones that you have personal knowledge of and
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`12· ·ones that you believe to be true?
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`13· · · A.· Right.· Because there is certain information in
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`14· ·any Declaration like this that I don't have first-hand
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`15· ·personal knowledge but I am relying on representations
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`16· ·of the people that are in the case.
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`17· · · Q.· And how is it when I read this Declaration that I
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`18· ·can distinguish which of the statements are statements
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`19· ·of your own knowledge and ones that you are relying on
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`20· ·other people?
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`21· · · · · · · ·MR. HOPEN:· Objection.· Form.
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`22· · · A.· Well, I don't think there is a simple answer to
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`·1· ·that.· If you ever have a place where you are unsure,
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`·2· ·you could ask.· As a general rule, if I am expressing an
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`·3· ·opinion it is my opinion and it is based on the bases
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`·4· ·that I identify in my knowledge and expertise.· There
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`·5· ·are other things that I am not providing sort of a
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`·6· ·second level of analysis about.· I don't know, for
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`·7· ·instance, if I state that the patent belongs to DSS, it
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`·8· ·is probably suggested in here but, for instance, I don't
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`·9· ·have personal knowledge of the assignment chain that led
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`10· ·to some party owning a patent and whether or not
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`11· ·theoretically there could be an issue whether or not
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`12· ·that party actually owns the patent.· I am not offering
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`13· ·opinions outside really of the technical area that I am
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`14· ·opining about.· So there may be factors in here that I
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`15· ·don't think are contested or, you know, relevant to the
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`16· ·nature of my opinion but in theory I am relying on other
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`17· ·people's representations.
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`18· · · Q.· Could you take a look at the introduction section
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`19· ·of the Declaration which starts on page one?
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`20· · · A.· Yes.
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`21· · · Q.· Do you have that?· Okay.· I was interested to
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`22· ·note that you did not mention that there had been a --
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`·1· ·there had been an institution based on a Mahany patent?
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`·2· · · · · · · ·MR. HOPEN:· Objection to form.
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`·3· · · Q.· Are you familiar with the Mahany patent?
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`·4· · · · · · · ·MR. HOPEN:· I apologize that was a premature
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`·5· ·objection.· But I will renew the objection.
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`·6· · · A.· I mean, I have heard the name of the patent. I
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`·7· ·haven't read it recently.· I am not -- I am not involved
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`·8· ·with that IPR to the extent there is a separate one in
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`·9· ·these that's active, I am unaware of that.
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`10· · · Q.· Have you read the Mahany patent?
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`11· · · · · · · ·MR. HOPEN:· I will object to form and
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`12· ·relevance.
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`13· · · A.· I mean, probably at some point in the past or at
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`14· ·least portions of it.· I don't recall offhand.· I have
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`15· ·to look at it to see if it looks familiar.
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`16· · · Q.· Going under your qualifications, paragraph 4 says
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`17· ·you received a degree from the Massachusetts Institute
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`18· ·of Technology.· What was that degree in?
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`19· · · A.· I was in the mechanical engineering department in
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`20· ·a special program which is something that departments
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`21· ·allow you to do at MIT.· The program I was in was a
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`22· ·special program that combined electrical engineering and
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`·1· ·some aspects of control systems and it was a focus on
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`·2· ·the application of computers that -- digital control
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`·3· ·systems and instrumentation.
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`·4· · · Q.· Is that a bachelor of science?
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`·5· · · A.· At the time it was issued by the Institute as a
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`·6· ·bachelor of arts because all degrees that crossed
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`·7· ·departments were issued in that way at that time.
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`·8· ·Currently it is issued as a bachelor of science because
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`·9· ·they rethought their perspective on degrees that
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`10· ·crossed.· But it is the same set of classes, same
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`11· ·materials that you would have for a bachelor of science
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`12· ·degree.
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`13· · · Q.· Did you -- in the course of that study did you
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`14· ·study wireless communication?
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`15· · · A.· Yes.
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`16· · · Q.· Did you study the HDLC protocol?
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`17· · · A.· Not particularly when I was in college.· Remember
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`18· ·I was in college back in the 70's.
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`19· · · Q.· Right.· When did the HDLC protocol come into
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`20· ·being?
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`21· · · · · · · ·MR. HOPEN:· Objection.· Foundation.
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`22· · · A.· I don't know the history of it when the first
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`·1· ·version of it was published.· I don't know.
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`·2· · · Q.· Am I correct that you did not attach a CV to your
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`·3· ·Declaration?
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`·4· · · A.· I don't know.· I don't recall.
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`·5· · · Q.· Okay.· Would that be your standard practice to
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`·6· ·attach a CV to a Declaration?
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`·7· · · A.· Typically, yes.
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`·8· · · Q.· Is it your practice to keep your CV up-to-date?
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`·9· · · A.· I update it periodically.· So it reflects the
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`10· ·situation as it is updated.
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`11· · · Q.· When is the last time you updated your CV?
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`12· · · A.· Probably in September.
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`13· · · Q.· Was that for a particular case?
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`14· · · A.· I don't know offhand why it was updated then.
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`15· · · Q.· Is there anything in your CV, your updated CV
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`16· ·that indicates that you are an expert in HDC -- HDLC
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`17· ·protocol?
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`18· · · · · · · ·MR. HOPEN:· Objection to form.· Objection to
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`19· ·foundation.
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`20· · · A.· Well, I think my CV would indicate that I have a
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`21· ·lot of expertise in communication protocols in general.
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`22· ·I don't think there is a necessarily a phrase you could
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`·1· ·point to and say "ah, HDLC", but I have significant
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`·2· ·expertise in communications protocols in general.
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`·3· · · Q.· What in your CV would indicate that you have an
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`·4· ·expertise in communication protocols?
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`·5· · · · · · · ·MR. HOPEN:· Objection to form.
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`·6· · · A.· Work on standards committees that developed
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`·7· ·communications protocol, based interfaces.
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`·8· · · Q.· What were those standards committees?
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`·9· · · A.· A couple of them.· The Access Bus, and also of
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`10· ·course the USB HID and Device Standards Committee.
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`11· · · Q.· Now, the USB Standards Committee doesn't relate
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`12· ·to wireless protocol, does it?
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`13· · · A.· Well, it does in device classes that are
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`14· ·associated with wireless interfaces and communications
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`15· ·classes, sure.
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`16· · · Q.· Could you explain that?
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`17· · · A.· Sure.
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`18· · · · · · · ·MR. HOPEN:· Objection to form.
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`19· · · A.· The interface to many wireless adapters of
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`20· ·various sorts is based on -- for hardware dongles that
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`21· ·use USB port, of course there are communication class
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`22· ·devices.· For other devices which, like Bluetooth
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`·1· ·adaptors, for instance, as an example they use the HID
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`·2· ·dash for interface with a lot of devices.· And
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`·3· ·simultaneously they are communications class devices and
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`·4· ·other implementations.
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`·5· · · Q.· When did you work on this standards committee?
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`·6· · · A.· Through the -- started in the mid 1990's and
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`·7· ·probably ran up to the mid to the end of it.· End of the
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`·8· ·1990's.
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`·9· · · Q.· What specifically was that standards committee
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`10· ·working on?
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`11· · · A.· The USB Committee as a whole was working on the
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`12· ·overall standard for USB, which includes hardware
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`13· ·signalling standards, mechanical standards, power
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`14· ·standards, post site implementation standards, data
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`15· ·protocol standards and the device subgroups were working
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`16· ·on their particular device classes and those classes of
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`17· ·course line up with the different aspects of devices
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`18· ·that are supported under USB.
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`19· · · Q.· Were you working in a subgroup?
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`20· · · A.· No.· I chaired the HID subgroup at one point.
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`21· · · Q.· What subgroup was that?
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`22· · · A.· That's the subgroup that works on human interface
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`·1· ·class devices.
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`·2· · · Q.· But that doesn't have anything to do with the
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`·3· ·technology of the invention we are talking about today,
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`·4· ·does it?
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`·5· · · · · · · ·MR. HOPEN:· Objection to form.
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`·6· · · A.· Well, I would say that particular standard is not
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`·7· ·part and parcel of what these patent claims are about,
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`·8· ·no.
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`·9· · · Q.· Right.· That was really my question.· Thank you.
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`10· · · · · Have you ever obtained a patent as an inventor in
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`11· ·the area of wireless communication?
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`12· · · A.· No.
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`13· · · Q.· How about in the area of HDLC protocols?
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`14· · · A.· No.
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`15· · · Q.· Have you ever received any industry awards in the
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`16· ·area of wireless communication?
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`17· · · A.· No.
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`18· · · Q.· Have you ever received any industry awards in the
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`19· ·area of HDLC protocols?
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`20· · · A.· No.
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`21· · · Q.· Have you ever lectured in the area of wireless
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`22· ·communication?
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`·1· · · A.· As in teaching a class, no.
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`·2· · · Q.· Have you ever lectured in the area of HDLC
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`·3· ·protocol?
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`·4· · · A.· No.
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`·5· · · Q.· Have you ever been an expert witness before?
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`·6· · · A.· Yes.
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`·7· · · Q.· How many times have you been hired as an expert
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`·8· ·witness?
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`·9· · · A.· Your question is a little unclear whether it is
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`10· ·as a testifying expert or providing consulting.
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`11· · · Q.· Let's start as a testifying expert.
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`12· · · A.· I am not going to be able to count that number up
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`13· ·off the top of my head.
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`14· · · Q.· Are those expert assignments all listed on your
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`15· ·CV?
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`16· · · A.· Yes.
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`17· · · Q.· Have any of those expert witness assignments
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`18· ·involved the HDLC protocol?
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`19· · · A.· Well, I mean clearly this one does.
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`20· · · Q.· Other than this one?
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`21· · · A.· I would have to go through them.· I would have to
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`22· ·look.
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`·1· · · Q.· Do any of those expert witness jobs relate to
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`·2· ·wireless technology?
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`·3· · · A.· Yes.
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`·4· · · Q.· Wireless communication?
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`·5· · · A.· Yes.
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`·6· · · Q.· Can you tell me about the ones that relate to
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`·7· ·wireless communication?
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`·8· · · A.· It is difficult, of course, because the
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`·9· ·consulting ones are not necessarily available for public
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`10· ·disclosure.
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`11· · · Q.· No.· I understand that.· Let's limit it to cases
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`12· ·where you were hired as a testifying expert.
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`13· · · A.· Okay.· Again, it is hard to characterize whether
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`14· ·it is necessarily the primary aspect of it or some
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`15· ·aspect of it.
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`16· · · · · I think this matter, a related matter, I believe,
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`17· ·with DSS in district court.· I have to look at the CV to
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`18· ·see if there are other ones.
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`19· · · Q.· Other than the, other than working for DSS, you
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`20· ·can't think of any other ones off the top of your head?
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`21· · · A.· No.· Because I have to kind of run through them
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`22· ·all.
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`·1· · · Q.· Tell me about some of the other areas of
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`·2· ·technology that you have been hired as an expert.
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`·3· · · A.· Well, in the area of user interface design and
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`·4· ·interaction.· In the area of, you know, protocol
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`·5· ·analyzers.· In the area of touch screens.· Capacity of
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`·6· ·touch sensing technology.
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`·7· · · Q.· Was that multiple cases?
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`·8· · · A.· That's correct.
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`·9· · · Q.· One of those was against Apple; is that correct?
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`10· · · A.· Depending how you count it.· There was one
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`11· ·plaintiff with probably multiple cases regarding Apple.
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`12· · · Q.· And that related to touch screens?
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`13· · · A.· Right.
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`14· · · · · Input device, other aspect of input devices, you
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`15· ·know, wireless controllers for gaming, KVM switching
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`16· ·technology.
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`17· · · Q.· What is that?
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`18· · · A.· KVM is an acronym for keyboard video mouse, and
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`19· ·KVM switches are used so you can have sort of one
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`20· ·monitor keyboard and mouse controlling a number of PCs
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`21· ·or servers.· So it is a way of managing a large group of
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`22· ·computers from a single workstation.
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`·1· · · · · I am not going to be able to get them all without
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`·2· ·looking at my CV because there are other areas as well.
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`·3· · · Q.· Anything else comes to mind?
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`·4· · · · · · · ·MR. HOPEN:· Objection to form.
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`·5· · · A.· Not immediately.· Again, if I looked at the list
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`·6· ·of my -- we would have a better way of recollecting them
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`·7· ·all.
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`·8· · · Q.· Is it fair to say that your primary expertise is
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`·9· ·in the area of USB?
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`10· · · A.· No.· I wouldn't say that's my primary area.· My
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`11· ·expertise spans a lot of different technologies. I
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`12· ·wouldn't simply characterize it that way.
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`13· · · Q.· How would you characterize your areas of
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`14· ·expertise?
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`15· · · A.· Well, I have expertise in, significant expertise
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`16· ·in the areas of wireless communication, wireless systems
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`17· ·use for single generation and manipulation in the
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`18· ·wireless RF domain.· In certain interface technology,
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`19· ·including USB.· Input devices in general.· Touch screens
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`20· ·in particular.· But the whole range of input devices.
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`21· ·The history of input device technology and PC interface
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`22· ·design technology and also the history of certain
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`·1· ·operating systems structures going through from the
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`·2· ·early days of PC's to today.
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`·3· · · Q.· You mentioned wireless communication first, when
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`·4· ·did you become an expert in wireless communication?
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`·5· · · · · · · ·MR. HOPEN:· Objection to form.· Objection to
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`·6· ·foundation.· Objection to relevance.
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`·7· · · A.· Well, it is hard to say when your own knowledge
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`·8· ·level -- that's kind of an indeterminate question.· When
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`·9· ·one's own knowledge level reaches a certain point where
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`10· ·you have significant expertise in an area.· That's a
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`11· ·little hard to judge.· I can't say on March 2 of 1997 I
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`12· ·suddenly changed from having a, being very good at it to
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`13· ·being an expert at it.· I don't think there is a simple
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`14· ·way you can set that date.
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`15· · · Q.· Tell me about how you became an expert in
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`16· ·wireless communication.
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`17· · · · · · · ·MR. HOPEN:· Objection to form.
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`18· · · A.· Well, I think there is a lot of steps.· Obviously
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`19· ·I had a foundation of education from when I was in
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`20· ·college.· I have been involved in developing products
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`21· ·that used various wireless techniques.· I have been
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`22· ·interested in this personally for a long time.· I have
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`·1· ·read things, I have learned.· I have the opportunity
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`·2· ·starting around 2000 something, 2007 maybe, to begin
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`·3· ·doing work with people who are doing product development
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`·4· ·in the area of RF synthesizers and other sort of single
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`·5· ·processing devices for RF signals.
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`·6· · · Q.· Would you agree that prior to 2007 you weren't an
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`·7· ·expert in wireless communication?
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`·8· · · · · · · ·MR. HOPEN:· Objection to form.
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`·9· · · A.· No, I would not agree with that.
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`10· · · Q.· You would not agree with that?
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`11· · · A.· No.
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`12· · · Q.· What is it in your background before 2007 that
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`13· ·made you an expert in wireless communication?· What in
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`14· ·your background can we look at to see that you are an
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`15· ·expert in wireless communication?
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`16· · · A.· Well, I think first off the premise of your
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`17· ·question is incorrect in that you are attempting to make
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`18· ·some concept of being an expert in a topic area which is
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`19· ·very wide.· So if we found 20 people who worked in that
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`20· ·area, they would all work in different aspects of it.
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`21· ·Their expertise may or may not line up with some
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`22· ·par
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