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`UNITED STATES PATENT AND TRADEMARK OFFICE
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`BEFORE THE PATENT TRIAL AND APPEAL BOARD
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`SHARP CORPORATION, SHARP ELECTRONICS CORPORATION,
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`and
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`SHARP ELECTRONICS MANUFACTURING
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`COMPANY OF AMERICA,
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`INC.,
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`Petitioners,
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`SURPASS TECH INNOVATION LLC,
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`Patent Owner .
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`Case IPR2015 - 00021
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`Patent No. 7,202,843 B2
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`VIDEOTAPED DEPOSITION OF:
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`WILLIAM K. BOHANNON
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`THURSDAY, AUGUST 20, 2015
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`9 : 27 A . M.
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`Reported by :
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`PAULA A . PYBURN
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`CSR 7304, RPR, CLR
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`SHARP EXHIBIT 1009
`Sharp Corp. , et al. v. Surpass Tech Innovation LLC
`IPR2015-00021
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`UNITED STATES PATENT AND TRADEMARK OFFICE
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`BEFORE THE PATENT TRIAL AND APPEAL BOARD
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`SHARP CORPORATION, SHARP ELECTRONICS CORPORATION,
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`and
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`SHARP ELECTRONICS MANUFACTURING
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`COMPANY OF AMERICA,
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`INC.,
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`Petitioners,
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`v.
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`SURPASS TECH INNOVATION LLC,
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`Patent Owner .
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`Case IPR2015 - 00021
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`Patent No. 7,202,843 B2
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`VIDEOTAPED DEPOSITION OF:
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`WILLIAM K. BOHANNON
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`THURSDAY, AUGUST 20, 2015
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`9 : 27 A . M.
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`Reported by :
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`PAULA A . PYBURN
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`CSR 7304, RPR, CLR
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`SHARP EXHIBIT 1009
`Sharp Corp. , et al. v. Surpass Tech Innovation LLC
`IPR2015-00021
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`VIDEOTAPED DEPOSITION OF WILLIAM K.
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`BOHANNON,
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`the witness, taken on behalf of
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`PETITIONERS, on Thursday, August 20, 2015,
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`9:27 a.m., at 501 West Broadway, Suite 400,
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`San Diego, California, before PAULA A . PYBURN,
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`CSR 7304, RPR, CLR .
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`APPEARANCES OF COUNSEL:
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`FOR PETITIONERS:
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`AMSTER ROTHSTEIN & EBENSTEIN LLP
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`BY : ANTHONY F . LO CICERO, ESQ.
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`BY: MARK BERKOWITZ, ESQ.
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`90 Park Avenue
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`APPEARANCES :
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`FOR PATENT OWNER AND THE WITNESS :
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`DAVIDSON BERQUIST JACKSON & GOWDEY, LLP
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`I N D E X
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`WITNESS
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`EXAMINATION
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`WILLIAM K . BOHANNON
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`(BY MR. LO CICERO)
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`Petition for Inter Partes
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`3/18/15 Patent Board
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`I N D E X (Cont ' d)
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`UNANSWERED QUESTIONS
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`INFORMATION REQUESTED
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`SAN DIEGO, CALIFORNIA; THURSDAY, AUGUST 20, 2015
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`THE VIDEO TECHNICIAN : Here begins
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`Board. Case number is IPR2015-00021 .
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`Today ' s date is August 20th, 2015. Time on
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`the video monitor is 9 : 27 a . m.
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`The video operator today is Ted Bendrick .
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`This video deposition is taking place at
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`Counsel, please voice identify yourselves,
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`state whom you represent .
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`MR . LO CICERO : My name is
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`Anthony Lo Cicero from the firm of Amster
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`Rothstein & Ebenstein . We represent the
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`and our technical expert in this case,
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`Mr . Michael Marentic .
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`MR . HELGE : My name is Wayne Helge,
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`representing Surpass Tech Innovation, and also
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`defending the deponent .
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`I'm from the law firm of
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`Davidson Berquist Jackson & Gowdey .
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`THE VIDEO TECHNICIAN : The court reporter
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`Would the reporter please swear in the
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`witness.
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`THE REPORTER : Do you solemnl y swear the
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`testimony you are about to give i n this deposition
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`the truth?
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`I do .
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`THE VIDEO TECHNICIAN : Please begin .
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`Good morning, Mr . Bohannon.
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`Good morning .
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`My name is Anthony La Ci cero .
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`deposition today in the nature o f cross-examination
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`in this proceeding .
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`I know that -- I know that you have been
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`deposed before, but I do want to go over a couple of
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`First, is there any reason that you cannot
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`cross-examination in proceedings like this .
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`just like to read into the record paragraph 6 of
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`those guidel i nes, which appear at Federal Register
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`Volume 77, No . 157, Appendix D, at page 48772.
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`Paragraph 6 says (as read) :
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`Once the cross - e x amination of a
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`I would like to ask the court reporter to
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`please mark as Paper No . 22 a documen t which has
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`petitioner ' s notice of deposition of William K.
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`BY MR . LO CICERO :
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`Mr . Bohannon, did you - -
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`Thank you.
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`Well, that notice that you have in front of
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`you is simply the formal document that establishes
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`In anticipation of your cross-examination,
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`did you do any preparation?
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`filed, the patent , the '843 patent, the Ham patent,
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`the initial petition, the initial response, the
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`did you do -- did you review anything else in
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`Okay . Did you meet with anyone in advance
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`I met with -- with Wayne .
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`That ' s Mr . Helge .
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`And hets your lawyer ; correct?
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`Anybody else?
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`Kevin.
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`Okay. Devon who, sir?
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`privileged communication, but I did ask if you did
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`Projection, projection technology .
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`Litigation and IPR .
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`the - - is all your testifying experience set forth
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`1 ' m looking at it.
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`did you have an understanding of the way in which
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`pixel to make an LCD operate, per se, because, you
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`THE WITNESS : Alignment layer .
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`It is, in fact, a copy of U . S . Patent No. 7,202,843
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`Figure 2 showing a timing
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