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`·APPEARING FOR THE PETITIONER QUANTUM CORPORATION AND THE
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`· · · MR. SCOTT T. JARRATT
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`· · · HAYNES AND BOONE, LLP
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`· · · SPRINKLE IP LAW GROUP
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`· · · MR. MATTHEW C. GAUDET
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`· · · DUANE MORRIS, LLP
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`· · · L5 Software Group, LLC
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`· · · · · · · · · ·· TABLE OF CONTENTS
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`·Exhibit 2030
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`· · · Dr. Andy Hospodor's bio on SSRC Web site.....· ·28
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`· · · CQ-1004, Figure 2-1 (annotated)..............· ·219
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`·Exhibit CQ-1001
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`· · · Patent No: US 6,425,035 B2
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`· · · Declaration of Andrew Hospodor, Ph.D.
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`· · · CRD-5500 SCSI RAID Controller User's Manual
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