DEPOSITION OF GEERT KNAPEN
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`UNITED STATES PATENT AND TRADEMARK OFFICE
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`BEFORE THE PATENT TRIAL AND APPEAL BOARD
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`: IPR2014-01386 - Patent 6,012,103
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`: 1PR2014-01405 - Patent 6,493,770
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`APPEARANCES
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`ON BEHALF OF PETITIONER:
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`JASON M. SHAPIRO, ESQUIRE
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`MICHAEL V. BATTAGLIA, ESQUIRE
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`ROTHWELL, FIGG, ERNST & MANBECK, P.C.
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`ROBERT R. LAURENZI, ESQUIRE
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`KAYE SCHOLER LLP
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`250 West 55th Street
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`New York, New York 10019
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`Wednesday, April 29, 2015
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`8:29 a.m.
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`Job No.: 80724
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`Reported By: Rebecca Stonestreet, RPR, CRR
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`Deposition of GEERT KNAPEN, held at the offices
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`DEPOSITION OF GEERT KNAPEN
`CONDUCTED ON WEDNESDAY, APRIL 29, 2015
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`CONTENTS
`EXAMINATION OF GEERT KNAPEN (cid:9)
`By Mr. Laurenzi (cid:9)
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`EXHIBITS
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`EXHIBITS
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`IPR EXHIBIT NUMBER (cid:9)
`Exhibit 1001 (cid:9) U.S. Patent No. 6,012,103 (cid:9)
`Exhibit 1003 (cid:9) U.S. Patent No. 5,628,028 (cid:9)
`Exhibit 1004 PCCExtend 100 User's Manual (cid:9)
`Exhibit 1012 Declaration in IPR 2014-01386 (cid:9)
`relating to '103 patent
`Exhibit 1012 Declaration in 1PR 2014-01386 (cid:9)
`relating to '825 patent
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`EXAMINATION BY COUNSEL FOR PATENT HOLDER
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`CYPRESS SEMICONDUCTOR CORP.
`BY MR. LAURENZI:
`Q (cid:9) Good morning. Would you please state your
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`A (cid:9) My name is Geert Knapen.
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`I'm sure your counsel has gone over this with
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`EXHIBITS CONTINUED
`IPR EXHIBIT NUMBER (cid:9)
`Exhibit 1018 Personal Computer Memory Card (cid:9)
`International Association
`PC Card Standard Release 2.1
`Exhibit 1019 Personal Computer Memory Card (cid:9)
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`that allows you to answer the question.
`Do you have any questions before we begin?
`I don't think so.
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`Q (cid:9) Are you on any kind of medication that would
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`A (cid:9) No.
`Q (cid:9) Have you ever given a deposition before?
`A (cid:9) No, this is my first time.
`Q (cid:9) When did you first hear about this -- well,
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`A (cid:9) A year and a half ago.
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`Q (cid:9) And what were you told about the matter?
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`MR. SHAPIRO: Yes.
`MR. LAURENZI: And what's the basis for that?
`MR. SHAPIRO: We discuss -- it's privileged
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`MR. LAURENZI: You believe they're not
`discoverable under the federal rules of civil procedure?
`MR. SHAPIRO: They're not discoverable in
`these proceedings. We can call the Board if...
`MR. LAURENZI: I just want to establish for
`the record what the basis is for the instruction.
`Q (cid:9) Mr. Knapen, are you going to follow your
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`A (cid:9) Yes.
`Q (cid:9) You submitted three declarations on behalf of
`LG. Is that con•ect?
`A (cid:9) Yes.
`Q (cid:9) Did you draft those?
`A (cid:9) Yes.
`Q (cid:9) Did you prepare the first draft of those
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`Q Have you ever done work for LG in the past?
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`Q Have you met anyone from LG --
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`Let me show you -- I'll withdraw that.
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`Let me show you Exhibit 1012, which is your
`declaration in the IPR relating to the '825 patent, which
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`A (cid:9) Thank you.
`Q Do you recognize the document, sir?
`A (cid:9) Yes, it appears to be.
`Q And that's your signature on page 95 of the
`declaration. Is that right?
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`Exhibit 1012, your declaration. And at the bottom of
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`Q (cid:9) And then if you turn over to page 2, those
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`Q (cid:9) All right. So I want to direct your attention
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`that from 1983 until 1985 you were responsible for
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`the Brussels Free University. Do you see that?
`A Yes.
`Q (cid:9) What does industrial consulting refer to?
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`university were brought to the industry if they wanted to
`apply those research results.
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`Q (cid:9) And what products, if you recall, during that
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`what I was doing.
`Q (cid:9) And then the next paragraph, paragraph 8.
`A Yes.
`Q (cid:9) There it refers to a company that you
`cofounded called Signal Processing Innovations. Do you
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`A I do.
`Q And the second sentence says that the company
`focused on development and sale of digital signal
`processing boards and complete measurement systems. Do
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`A Yes.
`Q Were any digital signal processing boards
`actually commercialized by Signal Processing Innovations?
`A Yes.
`Q Which ones?
`A What do you mean by "which ones"?
`Q Well, can you give me the name of the
`commercial products of any digital signal processing
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`included, processor board, A/D, D/A, all that you need to
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`There it says that company also focused on the
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`Q Can you describe those boards for me, please?
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`I don't think so.
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`Q (cid:9) Do you have any?
`A No.
`Paragraph 10 talks about a company you founded
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`called Design and Advice C.V. Do you see that?
`A Yes.
`Q (cid:9) And is that company still active today?
`A No, it is not.
`Q And it says there that during your time at
`Design and Advice, you began consulting for Philips
`International Technology Center in DSP hardware and
`software. Do you see that?
`A Yes.
`Q What are you referring to when you talk about
`DSP hardware?
`A Again, Philips bought a number of our
`analyzers, and when I stopped working for Ling Dynamic
`Systems, Philips was interested in my services to help
`them develop certain products.
`Q You said that they were interested in your
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`actual hardware or hardware design?
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`hardware?
`A Absolutely. (cid:9)
`Q And it's based on the VME bus architecture?
`A (cid:9) No. That product was based on the ISA bus, (cid:9)
`the internal initial bus for PC's. (cid:9)
`Q And then paragraph 11 says that while you were (cid:9)
`still a consultant at Design and Advice, you became
`involved in the creation of the USB standard. Do you see (cid:9)
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`A Yeah.
`Q Why did you become involved in the creation of
`the USB standard in 1995?
`I was asked by Philips to take up that work. (cid:9)
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`Q Why was Philips interested in being a part of
`the USB standard process?
`A (cid:9) As far as I understand, Philips saw huge
`potential in USB technology. They wanted to get involved
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`The group I was working for in Leuven was
`specializing actually in DSP algorithms for audio
`processing, and it became natural for us to look into
`using USB for audio purposes. That's what I started
`working on.
`Q (cid:9) And the same paragraph here in the second
`sentence says that you represented Philips in the USB
`device working group. Do you see that?
`A Yes.
`Q What is the USB device working group? Or what
`was it in 1995?
`A The USB device working group was a group, a
`working group consisting of a number of companies with
`their representatives to design the class specifications
`for USB, if you understand what I'm saying.
`Q Can you explain what you mean by that?
`A In order for software vendors or OS vendors to
`come up with standardized drivers for certain categories
`of products, there needs to be a specification that
`describes how that category of devices works over USB.
`For example, audio devices, what can you send to the
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`audio device.
`The working group was tasked with designing
`those specifications for all these categories that we
`thought at that moment would be beneficial for the USB
`ecosystem.
`Q This paragraph says you were elected chairman
`of the audio device class working group.
`A Yes.
`How is the audio device class working group
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`different from the device working group?
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`that, the over --1 don't know the words in English.
`Q Umbrella organization?
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`Something like that, yes. So we had all these
`device working groups specific for a specific device, and
`then there was the umbrella working group that made sure
`that every working group that was concentrating on
`certain device didn't do conflicting specification,
`basically. So it was more like a coordinating group.
`Is there a reason why you were elected the
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`A Yes.
`Q (cid:9) And this last sentence in paragraph 11 says
`that you were an author of the USB specification for
`audio devices. Do you see that?
`A Uh-huh.
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`Is that a particular part -- well, withdraw
`that.
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`When you say USB specification, are you
`referring to USB specification version 1?
`A No. What I'm referring to here is the audio
`device class specification, version 1.0. So the result
`of all these working groups I was talking about before is
`the specification. Like the audio device class
`specification or the hub class specification or mass
`storage specification. And I basically wrote that audio
`device class specification, was the editor for the group,
`and also the chair of the group.
`Q In your declaration you refer to a universal
`serial bus specification. Do you recall that?
`A Yes.
`Q Are any of the device group specifications
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`that you just mentioned incorporated into the universal
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`A (cid:9) No, they're separate documents.
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`Q Let me show you a portion of Exhibit 1013,
`which is referenced in your declaration. Again,
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`A Yes.
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`Q (cid:9) When was the first time you saw a
`specification relating to PCMCIA?
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`A (cid:9) Oh, I simply don't recall. That's way too
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`Q (cid:9) Well, why would you have seen a specification
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`A (cid:9) Because I worked on computer peripheral
`interfaces, and PCMCIA is one of those.
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`Q Well, tell me for what purpose you would
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`specification based on PCMCIA, and you said because you
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`A Yes.
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`computer peripheral interfaces required you to reference
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`Exhibit 1013 is the Universal Serial Bus Specification
`Revision 1.0 dated January 15th, 1996. And again, for
`the record, when I say Exhibit 1013, we're referring to
`case IPR 2014-01396, although I believe it's the same
`exhibit number for the other two cases.
`And for the record, what I'm going to show you
`is cover page, page 2, of Exhibit 1013, and then page 111
`through 121.
`MR. LAURENZI: For the record, page 111 begins
`Chapter 7 of this specification, although I've only
`provided you up through page 121. There are other
`portions of Chapter 7 that I haven't shown you. But my
`questions are going to be specific to the pages that I've
`shown you now.
`Q Have you had a chance to review the document?
`A Yes.
`Q Do you recall contributing to any portion of
`Chapter 7 of the USB specification, at least the pages
`I've shown you, page 111 through 112?
`A No.
`Q In your declaration you also refer to
`specifications relating to PCMCIA. Do you recall that?
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`Q (cid:9) And in the course of preparing your
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`If you would, please turn to page 7 of
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`Exhibit 1012, which is your declaration.
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`(Witness complies.)
`Q (cid:9) At paragraph 26 --
`A Yes.
`Q (cid:9)
`-- you describe a person of ordinary skill in
`the relevant art for the '825 patent. Do you see that?
`A Yes.
`Q (cid:9) And I believe this understanding of the person
`of ordinary skill in the art, at least as far as you
`understand it, is the same for the '103 and the '770
`patent as well. Correct?
`A Yes.
`Q And you understand those patents all share the
`same specification. Correct?
`A The same patent specification?
`Q Yes.
`A Yes.
`Q hi paragraph 26 you say that, "the person of
`ordinary skill in the art would have at least the
`equivalent of a bachelor of science degree in computer or
`electrical engineering and two through four years of
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`amount of combined education and equivalent industry
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`Do you see that?
`A Ido.
`Q (cid:9) Do you consider yourself to be a person of
`ordinary skill in the art under this definition?
`A Yes.
`Q In the following sentence, it says "a strength
`in one of these areas can compensate for a weakness in
`another." Do you see that?
`A Yes.
`Q Do you have any weakness in one area that's
`compensated for by strength in another under that
`definition, and pursuant to your belief that you are a
`person of ordinary skill in the art?
`MR. SHAPIRO: Objection. Form.
`Q Did you answer the question, the pending
`question?
`THE WITNESS: Well, you objected to it.
`Q You still have to answer it. He did not
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`form of the question.
`A (cid:9) Well, I don't think that sentence is
`applicable to my experience.
`Q (cid:9) And when you say that the "person of ordinary
`skill in the art requires industry experience in the
`field of computer peripheral device interfaces and
`configurations," is it your belief that that level of
`skill in the art can be met by experience with regard to
`any kind of peripheral device interface? In other words,
`it doesn't have to be a specific kind of peripheral
`device interface in order to be considered a person of
`ordinary skill in the art?
`MR. SHAPIRO: Objection. Compound.
`Q You can answer.
`I should answer? Okay. Can you repeat the
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`question? Sorry.
`Q I can. When you say that a person of ordinary
`skill in the art requires industry experience in the
`field of computer peripheral device interfaces --
`withdraw that. So just so the record is clear, I'm going
`to restate the question and ask the question a little bit
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`When you state in paragraph 26 that a person
`of ordinary skill in the art has industry experience in
`the field of computer peripheral device interfaces, is it
`your understanding that that requirement can be met with
`experience with regard to any kind of peripheral device
`interface?
`A Probably.
`Q Why do you answer "probably" as opposed to
`"yes" or "no"?
`A (cid:9) Well, I think it would be better if a person
`would have experience with more than one type of
`interface, but assuming that the person in question is
`doing some research and reading some materials, I can
`imagine that he can acquire knowledge about multiple
`interfaces that way.
`Q Let me show you Exhibit 1004 from the IPR for
`the '825 patent. I believe it's the same exhibit number
`in the other two cases. This is a copy of PCCextend 100
`user's manual. You recognize this document. Correct?
`A Ido.
`It's one of the documents on which you base
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`reconnection over the computer" -- "over the bus,"
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`rather, "and cause reconfiguration."
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`Do you see that?
`A Correct. (cid:9)
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`number for the other two cases. This is a copy of U.S.
`patent number 5,628,028 to Michelson.
`A (cid:9) Thank you.
`Q Do you recognize this document?
`It appears to be the Michelson patent, yes.
`A (cid:9)
`Q And that's prior art that you believe at least
`in part or in combination with other prior art -- well,
`withdraw that.
`And this is prior art that you believe in
`combination with other prior art renders the three
`Cypress patents obvious. Is that right?
`A Yes.
`Q
`If you look at your declaration at
`paragraph 77 on page 32, you make a statement there about
`Michelson. Do you see that?
`A Yes.
`Here you refer to CIS data. What is your
`Q
`understanding of CIS data?
`A (cid:9) CIS data is typically configuration
`information, generic configuration information that lives
`on the PCMCIA card that basically allows the system to
`start.
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`32
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`1 (cid:9)
`So I want to focus on PCCextend, Exhibit 1004,
`Q (cid:9)
`and ask you where in PCCextend is reconfiguration
`2 (cid:9)
`3 described.
`4 (cid:9)
`It seems that it doesn't directly describe
`A (cid:9)
`reconfiguration as such, but there's a statement here
`5 (cid:9)
`that says PCC switc