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`Washington, D.C.
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`J u n e 3 0 , 2 0 1 5 , 9 : 0 2 A . M .
`June 30, 2015, 9:02 A.M.
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`THfi V DfiOGRAPHER:
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`T H E V I D E O G R A P H E R : G o o d
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`m o r n i n g . M y n a m e i s K r i s h n a S h a r m a
`morning.
`My name is Krishna Sharma
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`f r o m V e r i t e x t N a t i o n a l D e p o s i t i o n
`from Veritext National Deposition
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`S e r v i c e s . T h e d a t e t o d a y i s J u n e 3 0 ,
`Services.
`The date today is June 30,
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`2 0 1 5 , a n d t h e t i m e o n t h e v i d e o
`2015, and the time on the video
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`m o n i t o r i s 9 : 0 2 . T h i s d e p o s i t i o n i s
`monitor is 9:02.
`This deposition is
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`b e i n g h e l d a t S t e r n e , K e s s l e r ,
`being held at Sterne, Kessler,
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`G o l d s t e i n & F o x , l o c a t e d a t 1 1 0 0 N e w
`Goldstein & Fox,
`located at 1100 New
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`Y o r k A v e n u e , N o r t h w e s t , W a s h i n g t o n ,
`York Avenue, Northwes:, Washington,
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`D.C.
`D . C .
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`T h e c a p t i o n o f t h i s c a s e i s - -
`The caption of this case is ——
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`m y b a d , I ' m s o r r y . T h e c a p t i o n o f
`my bad,
`I'm sorry.
`The caption of
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`t h i s c a s e i s C i s c o S y s t e m s , I n c .
`this case is Cisco Systems,
`Inc.
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`v e r s u s C a p e l l a P h o t o n i c s , I n c . T h e
`versus Capella Photonics,
`Inc.
`The
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`case is filed in the U.S. Patent and
`c a s e i s f i l e d i n t h e U . S . P a t e n t a n d
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`Trademark O
`ice before the Patent
`T r a d e m a r k O f f i c e b e f o r e t h e P a t e n t
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`T r i a l a n d A p p e a l B o a r d ; C a s e N u m b e r s
`Trial and Appeal Board; Case Numbers
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`:PR2014—01166 and :PR2014—01276.
`The
`I P R 2 0 1 4 - 0 1 1 6 6 a n d I P R 2 0 1 4 - 0 1 2 7 6 . T h e
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`name of the witness is Alexander V.
`n a m e o f t h e w i t n e s s i s A l e x a n d e r V .
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`S e r g i e n k o .
`Sergienko.
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`At this time would the
`A t t h i s t i m e w o u l d t h e
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`Cisco Systems, Inc.
`Exhibit 1049
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`a t t o r n e y s p l e a s e i d e n t i f y y o u r s e l v e s
`attorneys please identify yourselves
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`:or the
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`r e c o r d . A n d a f t e r t h a t , o u r c o u r t
`record.
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`r e p o r t e r , M i c h e l e E d d y , f r o m V e r i t e x t
`reporter, Michele Rddy,
`from Veritext
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`N a t i o n a l D e p o s i t i o n S e r v i c e s , w i l l
`National Deposition Services, will
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`swear
`in the witness and we can
`s w e a r i n t h e w i t n e s s a n d w e c a n
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`p r o c e e d .
`proceed.
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`M R . L E A R Y : M y n a m e i s M a t t h e w
`MR. LEARY:
`My name is Matthew
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`L e a r y o f C o o l e y , L L P , h e r e o n b e h a l f
`Leary of Cooley, LLP, here on behalf
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`o f t h e p e t i t i o n e r , C i s c o S y s t e m s .
`of the petitioner, Cisco Systems.
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`MR. CUV fiHLO: Michael Cuviello
`M R . C U V I E L L O : M i c h a e l C u v i e l l o
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`with Banner
`& Witco" on behal' o”
`w i t h B a n n e r & W i t c o f f o n b e h a l f o f
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`Coriant.
`C o r i a n t .
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`DR. TUMINARO:
`Jonathan
`D R . T U M I N A R O : J o n a t h a n
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`T u m i n a r o f r o m t h e l a w f i r m o f S t e r n e ,
`Tuminaro from the law ‘irm o‘ Sterne,
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`K e s s l e r , G o l d s t e i n & F o x o n b e h a l f o f
`Kessler, GoldStein & Fox on behal' o”
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`t h e p a t e n t o w n e r , C a p e l l a P h o t o n i c s ,
`the patent owner, Capella Photonics,
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`Inc.
`I n c .
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`M R . E I S E N B E R G : J a s o n E i s e n b e r g
`MR.
`fl SfiNRfiRG:
`Jason Eisenberg
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`o n b e h a l f o f t h e p a t e n t o w n e r , C a p e l l a
`on behal' o” the patent owner, Capella
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`P h o t o n i c s , I n c . , f r o m S t e r n e K e s s l e r .
`Photonics,
`Inc.,
`from Sterne Kessler.
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`M R . D U T T O N : T y l e r D u t t o n f r o m
`MR. DU““ON: Tyler Dutton from
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`S t e r n e , K e s s l e r , G o l d s t e i n & F o x o n
`Sterne, Kessler, Goldstein & Fox on
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`b e h a l f o f t h e p a t e n t o w n e r , C a p e l l a
`behal” o” the patent owner, Capella
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`P h o t o n i c s , I n c .
`Photonics,
`Inc.
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`Cisco Systems, Inc.
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`MR. RfiCKfiR: Robert Becker
`from
`M R . B E C K E R : R o b e r t B e c k e r f r o m
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`M a n a t t , P h e l p s & P h i l l i p s o n b e h a l f o f
`Manatt, Phelps & Phillips on behal” o”
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`C a p e l l a .
`Capella.
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`A L E X A N D E R V L A D I M I R S E R G I E N K O , P h . D . ,
`ALEXAND?R VLAD M R SfiRG fiNKO, Ph.D.,
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`h a v i n g b e e n d u l y s w o r n , t e s t i f i e d a s f o l l o w s :
`having been duly sworn,
`testified as follows:
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`fiXAN NAT ON RY COUNSjL EOR BfiT T ONfiR
`E X A M I N A T I O N B Y C O U N S E L F O R P E T I T I O N E R
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`BY MR. LEARY:
`B Y M R . L E A R Y :
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`Q
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`A
`A
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`Q
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`G o o d m o r n i n g .
`Good morning.
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`G o o d m o r n i n g .
`Good morning.
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`J u s t t o m a k e s u r e I h a v e y o u r
`Just
`to make sure I have your
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`n a m e c o r r e c t , c o u l d y o u p r o n o u n c e y o u r l a s t
`name correct, could you pronounce your last
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`n a m e a g a i n ?
`name again?
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`A
`A
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`W e l l , i t ' s A l e x a n d e r V l a d i m i r
`Well, it's Alexander Vladimir
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`S e r g i e n k o .
`Sergienko.
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`Q
`Q
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`A
`A
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`S e r g i e n k o , o k a y , t h a n k y o u .
`Sergienko, okay,
`thank you.
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`I t ' s E n g l i s h t r a n s l a t i o n o f
`It's English translation of
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`It's easier to pronounce it.
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`a c a s e ?
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`F a i r e n o u g h .
`Fair enough.
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`H a v e y o u b e e n d e p o s e d b e f o r e i n
`Have you been dcposcd before in
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`in technical case.
`N o t i n t e c h n i c a l c a s e .
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`I n w h a t c a s e s , i f a n y , h a v e y o u
`In what cases,
`if any, have you
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`b e e n d e p o s e d ?
`been deposed?
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`like
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`civil case,
`at
`the University of Maryland,
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`Baltimore
`B a l t i m o r e C o u n t y . I t w a s a d e p o s i t i o n .
`County.
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`a deposition.
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`Other than that, have you been
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`No, never.
`N o , n e v e r .
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`D R . T U M I N A R O : D r . S e r g i e n k o ,
`DR. TUMINARO: Dr. Sergienko,
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`I ' m s u r e h e ' s g o i n g t o c o v e r t h i s , b u t
`I'm sure he's going to cover this, but
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`j u s t d o n ' t t a l k o v e r e a c h o t h e r .
`just don't talk over each other.
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`W e ' r e t r y i n g t o g e t a c l e a n r e c o r d .
`We're trying to get
`a clean record.
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`Q
`Q
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`H a v e y o u e v e r p r o v i d e d e x p e r t
`Have you ever provided expert
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`t e s t i m o n y i n a n y c a s e o t h e r t h a n t h e
`testimony
`in any case other than the
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`p r o c e e d i n g h e r e ?
`proceeding here?
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`A
`A
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`Q
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`No.
`N o .
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`A n y r e a s o n y o u c a n ' t g i v e
`Any reason you can't give
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`t r u t h f u l a n d a c c u r a t e t e s t i m o n y h e r e t o d a y ?
`truthful and accurate testimony here today?
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`A
`A
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`
` will
`N o r e a s o n , a n d I h o p e I w i l l
`No reason, and I hope
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`p r o v i d e t r u t h f u l t e s t i m o n y t o d a y .
`provide truthful testimony today.
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`Q
`Q
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`W h a t d i d y o u d o t o p r e p a r e f o r
`What did you do to prepare for
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`t h e d e p o s i t i o n ?
`the deposition?
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`
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`DR. TUMINARO:
`I'll caution the
`D R . T U M I N A R O : I ' l l c a u t i o n t h e
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`witness not
`to disclose the substance
`w i t n e s s n o t t o d i s c l o s e t h e s u b s t a n c e
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`0
`o f a n y c o m m u n i c a t i o n y o u m a y h a v e h a d
`f any communication you may have had
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`with counsel.
`w i t h c o u n s e l .
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`reviewed my declaration and all exhibits
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`included in there.
`i n c l u d e d i n t h e r e .
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`Q
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`W e r e t h e r e a n y o t h e r d o c u m e n t s
`Were there any other documents
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`t h a t y o u r e v i e w e d i n p r e p a r a t i o n f o r t o d a y ?
`that you reviewed in preparation ‘or today?
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`A
`A
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`C o n s u l t e d a c o u p l e o f
`Consulted a couple of
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`d e f i n i t i o n o n w o r d i n g s u s i n g G o o g l e .
`definition on wordings using Google.
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`A
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`Q
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`A c o u p l e - -
`A couple ——
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`J u s t m e a n i n g o f w o r d s .
`Just meaning of words.
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`And what words were those?
`A n d w h a t w o r d s w e r e t h o s e ?
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`I d o n ' t r e m e m b e r e x a c t l y . T h e y
`I don't
`remember exac:ly.
`They
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`just don't remember exactly
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`Q
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`Do you remember any of the
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`d o c u m e n t s y o u l o o k e d a t o n l i n e ?
`documents you looked at online?
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`J u s t a d i c t i o n a r y , W e b s t e r
`Just a dictionary, Webster
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`d i c t i o n a r y .
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`a t ?
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`And what words were you looking
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`D R . T U M I N A R O : O b j e c t i o n , a s k e d
`DR. TUMINARO: Objection, asked
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`and answered.
`a n d a n s w e r e d .
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`A
`A
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`I don't
`remember at this time.
`I d o n ' t r e m e m b e r a t t h i s t i m e .
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`clari‘ication purposes.
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`not even technical.
`G e n e r a l t e r m s , n o t e v e n t e c h n i c a l .
`General
`terms,
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`W h o d i d y o u m e e t w i t h i n
`Who did you meet with in
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`p r e p a r a t i o n f o r t o d a y ' s d e p o s i t i o n ?
`preparation for
`today's deposition?
`
`
`I n p r e p a r a t i o n f o r t o d a y ' s
`"n preparation ‘or today's
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`A
`A
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`d e p o s i t i o n , I m e t w i t h c o u n s e l s , w i t h J o n a t h a n
`et with counsels, with Jonathan
`deposition,
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`a n d T y l e r .
`and Tyler.
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`A n y o n e e l s e ?
`Anyone else?
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`O h , a n d J a s o n E i s e n b e r g .
`Oh, and Jason Eisenberg.
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`A n y o n e e l s e i n a d d i t i o n t o
`Anyone else in addition to
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`No.
`N o .
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`I n p r e p a r i n g f o r t o d a y ' s
`"n preparing ‘or today's
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`that?
`t h a t ?
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`A
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`Q
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`d e p o s i t i o n , d i d y o u r e v i e w a n y d o c u m e n t s t h a t
`deposition, did
`you review any documents that
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`y o u h a d n o t i n c l u d e d i n y o u r - - s t r i k e t h a t .
`you had not
`inc
`luded in your —— strike that.
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`I n p r e p a r i n g f o r t o d a y ' s
`"n preparing ‘or today's
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`
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`d e p o s i t i o n , d i d y o u r e v i e w a n y d o c u m e n t s t h a t
`deposition, did
`you review any documents that
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`How much total time did you
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`s p e n d p r e p a r i n g f o r t h i s d e p o s i t i o n ?
`spend preparing or “his deposition?
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`T o g e t e x a c t t i m i n g , I p r o b a b l y
`To get exact
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`You wrote a declaration for
`Y o u w r o t e a d e c l a r a t i o n f o r
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`b o t h t h e ' 3 6 8 p e t i t i o n a n d t h e ' 6 7 8 p e t i t i o n ,
`both the '368 petition and the '678 petition,
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`correct?
`c o r r e c t ?
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`That's correct.
`T h a t ' s c o r r e c t .
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`two declarations as your
`'368 declaration and
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`y o u r ' 6 7 8 d e c l a r a t i o n ?
`your
`'678 declaration?
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`A
`A
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`Q
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`Y e s , t h a t ' s o k a y .
`Yes,
`that's okay.
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`I'll just note for the
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`record that both declarations have the same
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`e x h i b i t n u m b e r , 2 0 0 4 , s o f o r t h a t r e a s o n w e ' l l
`exhibit number, 2004,
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`p a t e n t t o w h i c h t h e y p e r t a i n .
`to which they pertain.
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`D o y o u b e l i e v e t h e i n f o r m a t i o n
`Do you believe the information
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`s e t f o r t h i n b o t h o f y o u r d e c l a r a t i o n s i s
`set forth in both of your declarations is
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`accurate?
`a c c u r a t e ?
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`Exhibit 1049
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`Are you aware of any mistakes
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`No, not at this point.
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`In addition to the IPRs, do you
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`substance of any communication you may
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`o'”icial documents about
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`o f f i c i a l d o c u m e n t s a b o u t t h e e x i s t e n c e o f i t .
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`W h e n d i d y o u f i r s t b e c o m e a w a r e
`When did you first become aware
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`of the district court case?
`o f t h e d i s t r i c t c o u r t c a s e ?
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`A
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`I'm nOt sure I paid attention
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`s o - - l e t ' s s e e , h o w t o s a y .
`so —— let's see, how to say.
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`d e c l a r a t i o n i n e a r l y F e b r u a r y o f 2 0 1 5 .
`declaration in early February of 2015.
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`Exhibit 1049
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`W h e n w e r e y o u f i r s t c o n t a c t e d
`When were you first contacted
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`r e g a r d i n g t h i s d i s p u t e ?
`regarding this dispute?
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`A b o u t t h e s a m e t i m e .
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`I n F e b r u a r y .
`In February.
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`As far as
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`u n d e r s t a n d f r o m t h e d o c u m e n t s , t h e d e c i s i o n
`understand from the documents,
`the decision
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`w a s m a d e s o m e t i m e b e f o r e t h a t , a n d I w a s
`was made sometime before that, and I was
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`a p p r o a c h e d r e g a r d i n g t h i s i s s u e .
`approached regarding this issue.
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`Q
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`W h o a p p r o a c h e d y o u r e g a r d i n g
`Who approached you regarding
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`this case?
`t h i s c a s e ?
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`A
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`Q
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`Robert Becker.
`R o b e r t B e c k e r .
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`H a v e y o u s i g n e d a n e n g a g e m e n t
`Have you signed an engagement
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`l e t t e r r e g a r d i n g t h i s c a s e ?
`letter regarding this case?
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`D R . T U M I N A R O : I ' l l o b j e c t a n d
`DR. TUMINARO:
`I'll object and
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`j u s t c a u t i o n t h e w i t n e s s n o t t o
`just caution the witness not
`to
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`d i s c l o s e t h e s u b s t a n c e o f a n y
`disclose the substance of any
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`c o m m u n i c a t i o n y o u m a y h a v e h a d w i t h
`communication you may have had with
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`counsel.
`c o u n s e l .
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`I s i g n e d t h e c o n t r a c t f o r m y
`I signed the contract for my
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