CROSSROADS EXHIBIT 2302
`Oracle Corp., et al v. Crossroads Systems, Inc.
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`tN THr UNITED STATES DISTRICT coon
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`u. s . Patent NO. S ,941,972
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`ORAL OEPOSITlOll OF GEOF~ >IOESE. ~r~ductd
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`sworn, w.u: taker\ 1.-i the abov• styled and no11bu~d ieau.5e
`on tht 6th d•y of ~ugust, l OOl, fro~ l : U p.11. to ~:lS
`P·•·, before: Saridra s.. GiYtns , CSJl , in 111d for the
`Statt of Texas. reported by inac;h1ne shorthand aethod,
`U tho offi ce• of Fulbr1ght & Jaworski, 600 Congress
`AYtnue, 1900 Ont Merle.all Cettter, AY$1;in, Te•~s 1&101,
`pursu~nt to the F~deral Aul~ S of C1Vf1 Procedure.
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`A P P E A R A N C E S
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`FOR THE PLAIITTIFF:
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`Alan o Albright
`Gray, Cary, Ware & r-reid~nrich, LLP
`1221 s. MOPac expressway
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`Austin, Texas 78746
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`FOR TliE DEFENDANT:
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`David o. eahlc:r
`Fulbr19ht ~Jaworski, LLP
`l900 one American center
`600 congress Avenue
`Austin, Texas 78701
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`GEOFF HOESE,
`h•ving bttn ffrst du1 y sworn, t~n;fied as tollowJ :
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`Good Nrn\ng 1 Mr . Ho~se.
`G<IO<I r.orn1 ng.
`lt:t N hand you whit:' s been markt-d ~s ~oese
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`Exhibit 22. Before :r do thU l"t ~ just l l lr: ye>u. t.i-e
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`All ri9ht. Still th1 u11e age?
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`.Probabl y olde r . Yoll ' re: ove r lS , you' r e
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`c haparral's "Third Not ice of Deposition under Aul~
`JO(b)(G) to Cra.ssroads. ttle phiintiff in t his ca se, amd
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`SE)e:alt on behalf of Crossn:iad$ about t.opics S ;and 6.
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`(By Mr. Bahler') Are )'()U l)rf!pa.r1:d to do so
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`Whilt d1d yo" do to prepare for your
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`Briefly 1111t with .,y cotw1u1 ~for! this
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`d•poshion. Th<ot'• about it,
`oi d you look •t any docull\l!nts?
`I b•Htve I looked at this on• doCU11ent. Yes.
`whi~h has been prt:viOtJsl~ Mi.rked n
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`Ho. C>ttdbit 2l, paragraph S.
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`I loohd •t Stction S of 22.
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`DO you have art agre1rr,.,mt th•t ~ou' re goin~ to
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`1 'v• cons idered it and ""Y well do so .
`Have you 1 ct the• know thilt?
`I've: mentioned the possib ility.
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`your testimony here today?
`Not SP•ciflcally. NO.
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`It• s a. document I wrote descri biflO ttle
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`th•r•cteristics o f the 972 patent at ttle initial
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`Is thl.t your handwrhi119 on the front7
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`Y~s. it is.
`MR. ALBRIGHT: And ht ~ just put do1o1n
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`whore it nys "utorntys' eyes only,· since vrt produetd
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`Mil .. IAMLEA: That's fine.
`( ay Mr , aahl er) Okay.
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`okay. Alld thf s dOCUNtnt wu prepared when?
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`can you tf'll fr- looki1>9 at it?
`~t,.ccn March 22nd and Kay Uth, prior to Hay
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`All right . Md ~hen this w•s sent to
`Mr. Antloony Pettn1an on Hay 21th, 1991?
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`ls that still the cue?
`I don't believe th~t. •'s Corrett when we i~st
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`wh.at do yoo do for .a 1 iv i n.;?
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`I ~o '""" diff•r•nt consulting kind of
`ar,.angements with diff~rertt f1"'s where l have an
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`Ar~ ytlu b4!i ng co.wipensAted for- yoLU" t.inf hlrit
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`'U.hen Auguu~ 6, 2001
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`1 don"t spedficai11y recall.
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`All r-ight.~ So a5 far as you recall. t.heo fir~t
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`I would e')(pect that I r-e:viewed it with lfTY
`c.o-irwentor ort tht p.n:tnt, things of that sort.
`other lhan ~r. Ru»ell, &nybody elso?
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`wh~t I'• asking fnr f s sp~cf fi c reco l liect ion
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`I'1n not sure what doc.lJmented -- what do you
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`How did yau arrive: at thil.t date?
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`okay. Na""t 1.'d 1;ke to •r.k you so11e quesHons
`Thi"' :Sa.y'fi ··~ir~t draft, May 15th• 1997. 11
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`and cr-e .. ted thh particular word docu1tent that this was
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`ok.ay. Do you have: tho.5e note.s7
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`If ~ou had tl'le111. tl'ley •ololld have been produr:"'d
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`1n this Cillse. correct?
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`knQW if th~y wet'e th~r~ or ntJ.t.
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`don't. any longer exist?
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`And thrn in that_ line. al~o. ii.~ we"v-e just:
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`March 22nd, 19~7." What do" th~t ... an?
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`MR. BAHLER~ Last. question, pli"as.e:.
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`{The referenced portion w•5 read ba(;ll. by
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`lHE WiltllSS! At the tirne the 1r1aterial
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`and drilft dr;awin9s ~md dccument5 that I had U$rd~ but I
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`J ret:illl having 501111 drawing$ that I'd don@:,
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`-- of 'tht d°OCLtll'lent?
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`When did you reveai 1 the COfltC:Pt to Mr. Hu 1 sry"'r
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`determining what it is that I should c.na.tl in tel'lls of
`there be1ng .1 document; of this sort and what N.trrial
`I should incorporate. So I don 1 t spetifinlly r•c.jll,
`rau know, when that WCJ.S.
`okay. Did )-Q~ h.fllVtl' ~c;:U••rnt" with you during
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`non"t ~~Hif1t..ally re-call. Possibly,
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`Tl<E WIThESS: C•n you ~•put th<
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`'filhat did :y.ou do nu:t7
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`Put it th&t way.
`IR oener~ l, I work,(t with Mr-. Pete.r•an to
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`oid you prov1d~ h;n additionol docunents?
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`Which on~s.? What dacumc nt s.1
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`Eventually, yes, he did.
`t>o YQl\I kn(l• hQ• long C: hat look 7
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`Afte r )'OU got th~ -- wh~never ft. t"las when you
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`dr..ilft p~t~nt iiipplicat1on. correct?
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`..i.~t did you do with t~n draftl
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`1 r11t'.ri~d it; a~ Wt?:1l u providing it to
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`oo )'O~ te'"411ll •hen th ... t rtvit'.111 tol)k placf:?
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`Did you in iln~ nay doc.ur1ent that. rr-view7
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`$torage... Sri" that?
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`okay, o1d )'111J and Mr. rete:r ... an d1sc1J!i.S what
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`I don•t !Pt'cif1cally reca.11 thilt disC\ls.s.icm.
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`T.h~ lhlil next .nntienc~ :Slys. ••Method.s are:
`provided that allow for configuration and nodification
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`OkJi)', w.c11, it~!t. only two pa9e.s., right? can
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`If you had kept i"t. wh, rt wor.t l d you h•v~ kt,t)t
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`It would heive been in JtY file5.
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`I fully el(pect they y,oul d .h1.v•.
`All rioht. Let'• toke a 1 ook at E•hibh 24.
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`Lot' S go back to Exhl bit 24, 0" the SetOnd
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`p~ge of t~at: exh;bit .... then's only thrrae pilges.
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`that th.r: storiilge is described H being seg.ntnttti 4'.nd
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`"rh.e i111p1~mientation m~thods a:re left open.
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`1'1111 riot s.ure if t \ISed the
`allacation of storage.
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`th~t hu partltfoniog for worksntion 1, wor~statlo" 2,
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`One such method -- 1 1 111 .sorry.
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`Hy quenion t.u )'OM i5, first pairt, whtre is
`th111: ~lhod in thi~ dot:uraen't that is provided th•t
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`I wculd s.uggest thJit the Mthod is defined in
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`okay. Nothing mor•7
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`This !ii.entir:nce aho s;ays. ""Mcthod:5 are pro1Jid~d
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`The purpose of th• drilwing, I think. is to sho" thf:
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`l>lE wnN~~s: v•s. As conceived. th•t's
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`Figure )• it' Ji t:ht tJt\1y 11cthod shown, correct?
`I don't: thin\ th11\ 's • fa.ii" (ha.ra.c.t.e rh~tion,
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`l'hich Is • copy of your pat~t. th• 97.l pattnt. Md
`Fi911n 1, which Is •• actually, thi• is Figure 3 on the
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`Th;1.t·~ a drallffn9 of your 1nvt1tt:ion,
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