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`8/19/2014
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`· · · · ·· IN THE UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
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`· · · · · · FOR THE WESTERN DISTRICT OF TEXAS
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`· · · · · · · · · ·· AUSTIN DIVISION
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`· CROSSROADS SYSTEMS, INC.,· · · · · · ·C.A. Nos.
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`· · · · · · · Plaintiff,
`· ·· v.· · · · · · · · · · · · · · · ·1:13-CV-00800-SS
`·· DOT HILL SYSTEMS CORP.,
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`· · · · · · · Defendant.
`·· _______________________________/
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`·· ORACLE CORPORATION,· · · · · · · ··1:13-CV-00895-SS
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`· · · · · · · Defendant.
`·· _______________________________/
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`·· HUAWEI TECHNOLOGIES CO., LTD.,
`·· HUAWEI ENTERPRISE USA, INC., and· ·1:13-CV-01025-SS
`·· HUAWEI TECHNOLOGIES USA, Inc.,
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`· · · · · · · Defendants.
`·· _______________________________/
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`·· CISCO SYSTEMS, INC.,· · · · · · · ·1:14-CV-00148-SS
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`· · · · · · · Defendant.
`·· _______________________________/
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`·· NETAPP, INC.,· · · · · · · · · · ··1:14-CV-00149-SS
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`· · · · · · · Defendant.
`·· _______________________________/
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`·· QUANTUM CORPORATION,· · · · · · · ·1:14-CV-00150-SS
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`· · · · · · · Defendant.
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` · · · · · · · · · · Deposition of
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` · · · · · · · Tuesday, August 19, 2014
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`REPORTED BY:··JOHN WISSENBACH, RDR, CRR, CBC, CCP,
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`· · · · · · · · · INDEX OF EXAMINATIONS
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`·Exhibit 1· ·Declaration of Randy Katz Regarding· ·7
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`· · · · · · · Claim Construction of U.S. Patent
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`· · · · · · · Nos. 6,425,035, 7,051,147,
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`· · · · · · · Inc.'s Notice of Oral and
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`· · · · · · · Videotaped Deposition of Randy H.
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`·Exhibit 7· ·Handwritten Diagram:··"Host, SR,· · ·93
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`· · · · · · · SR, FC SCSI, FC HPPI CI, SCSI;
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`· · · · · · · Randy H. Katz; August 19, 2014"
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`·Exhibit 8· ·Handwritten Diagram:··"A, Host,· · ·100
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`· · · · · · · C, Host, SCSI, SR, SCSI, SR; Randy
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`· · · · · · · H. Katz; August 19, 2014"
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`·Exhibit 9· ·Expert Report of Dr. John Levy,· · ·116
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`· · · · ·· BE IT REMEMBERED that, pursuant to the laws
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`· · · · ·· SPRINKLE IP LAW GROUP, PC
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`· · · · ·· BY:··JOHN ADAIR, Attorney at Law
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`· · · · · · · · ELIZABETH BROWN FORE, Attorney at Law
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`· · · · ·· 1301 West 25th Street, Suite 408
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`· · · · ·· COOLEY LLP
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`· · · · ·· One Freedom Tower
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`· · · · ·· WEIL, GOTSHAL & MANGES LLP
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`· · · · ·· BY:··AARON Y. HUANG, Attorney at Law
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`· · · · ·· 201 Redwood Shores Parkway
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`· · · · ·· Redwood Shores, California 94065-1134
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`· · · · ·· (650) 802-3213··aaron.huang@weil.com
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`· · · · ·· EUN HAE PARK, Senior Corporate Counsel
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`· · · · ·· Oracle
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`· · · · ·· STEPTOE & JOHNSON LLP
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`· · · · ·· BY:··TIMOTHY C. BICKHAM, Attorney at Law
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`· · · · ·· 1330 Connecticut Avenue, NW
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`· · · · ·· DUANE MORRIS LLP
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`·Productions Incorporated, located at 3018 Commerce
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`·Street, Dallas, Texas 75226.··The phone number is
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`·(214) 747-1952.··Today's date is August 19th, 2014,
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`·Dot Hill Systems Corporation, et al., Oracle
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`· · · · ·· MR. ADAIR:··John Adair, for Crossroads
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`· · · · ·· MS. FORE:··Elizabeth Brown Fore, appearing
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`· · · · ·· THE VIDEOGRAPHER:··The court reporter today
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`· · · · ·· MR. ADAIR:··And I'm going to mark this as
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`· · ·· A.··Yes.
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`· · · · ·· (Deposition Exhibit 4 was marked for
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`· · ·· Q.··And can you identify the document that's
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`·been marked as Exhibit 4 for the record?
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`· · ·· A.··It is yet another patent in suit in the
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`· · ·· Q.··And that's United States Patent 7,987,311?
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`· · ·· A.··Correct.
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`· · ·· Q.··And is it okay if we refer to that as the
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`·'311 or "'311" patent?
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`· · ·· A.··Yes.
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`· · · · ·· (Deposition Exhibit 5 was marked for
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`· · ·· Q.··And can you identify the document that's
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`·been marked as Exhibit 5 for the record?
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`· · ·· A.··It is yet another patent in suit in this
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`· · ·· Q.··And is that United States Patent Number
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`·7,934,041?
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`· · ·· A.··Yes.
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`· · ·· Q.··And is it all right if we refer to that as
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`· · ·· A.··Yes.
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`· · ·· Q.··If you look at the '041 patent, on the
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`·cover sheet you'll see there's a list of related
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`·applications, and the final one says -- final line
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`·09/011,799 (sic), filed on December 31st, 1997, now
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`·patent number 5,941,972.
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`· · ·· A.··I'm sorry.··Was there a question in that?
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`· · ·· Q.··I just wanted to point you to that.··And
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`· · ·· A.··Yes.
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`· · ·· Q.··Okay.··And is it all right -- today I'm
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`· · · · ·· MR. HUANG:··Pardon me.··Objection; form.
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`· · · · ·· THE WITNESS:··I understand that the
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`·to use, I accept that.··But I'm not sure that is the
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`· · · · ·· MR. HUANG:··Same objection.
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`· · ·· Q.··Have you been deposed before?
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`· · ·· A.··I have.
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`· · ·· Q.··And how many times?
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`· · ·· A.··Over the last 33 years or so, probably
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`·about 15 times.
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`· · ·· Q.··And when was the last time you were
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`· · ·· A.··Last time I was deposed was last fall,
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`· · ·· Q.··Was that in conjunction with a patent
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`· · ·· A.··It was.
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`· · ·· Q.··What case was that?
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`· · ·· A.··It was a case involving Intellectual
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`·Ventures.··I can't quite remember who the defendant
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`·plaintiff or defendant in that case?
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`· · ·· A.··For the defendant.
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`· · ·· Q.··And of the other -- were you only deposed
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`· · ·· A.··Yes.
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`· · ·· Q.··And so the other 15 or so times you've been
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`· · ·· A.··No.
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`· · · · ·· MR. HUANG:··Objection; form.
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`· · ·· Q.··How many times have you been deposed in
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`· · ·· A.··I would say approximately 12 of those 15
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`· · ·· Q.··In how many of those cases was the subject
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`·matter of the patents related to storage
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`·architecture?
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`· · · · ·· MR. HUANG:··Form.
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`· · · · ·· THE WITNESS:··I'm sorry.
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`· · · · ·· Could you repeat that, please?
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`· · ·· Q.··So the -- I'm sorry.
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`·different cases was that?
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`· · · · ·· MR. HUANG:··Same objection.
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`· · · · ·· THE WITNESS:··I believe I was deposed once
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`·for each case in that list.
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`· · ·· Q.··And of those 12 cases, in how many was the
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`· · ·· A.··The --
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`· · · · ·· THE WITNESS:··The majority of the cases.
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`· · ·· Q.··Do you know the names of those cases?
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`· · ·· A.··I can recite a few that come to mind.··I
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`· · ·· Q.··So is one of those case SIPCO -- that's
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`·S-P-I-C-O -- vs. Toro, The Toro Company?
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`· · ·· A.··I'm sorry.··That was a case I was involved
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`·in.··But what is your question about that case?
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`· · ·· Q.··Was that one of the cases that involved
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`· · ·· A.··It did not.
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`· · ·· A.··It did not.
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`· · ·· Q.··Did Trans Video Electronics vs. Sony
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`·Corporation involve storage architecture?
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`· · ·· A.··It did not.
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`· · ·· Q.··Did Mformation Technologies vs. RIM involve
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`·storage architecture?
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`· · ·· A.··It did not.
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`· · ·· Q.··What did SIPCO vs. The Toro Company relate
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`· · ·· A.··It was about a sensor networking set of
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`·technology patents.
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`· · ·· Q.··And so what's sensor networking?
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`· · ·· A.··It's a technology of devices which are
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`· · ·· Q.··And what was the subject matter of the
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`· · ·· A.··It was a set of technological patents
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`· · ·· Q.··And what was the technology involved in
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`· · ·· A.··That was a set of technologies related to
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`· · ·· Q.··And what was the technology involved in
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`·Mformation Technologies vs. RIM?
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`· · ·· A.··That was technology associated with
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`·communicating in a disconnected fashion with -- sort
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`· · ·· Q.··Do you recall the names of any of the cases
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`· · ·· A.··Yes.
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`· · ·· Q.··How many of those cases do you remember the
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`·names of?
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`· · ·· A.··I can begin to list them for you.
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`· · ·· Q.··That would be great, if you could do that.
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`· · ·· A.··Well, one, of course, that --
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`· · · · ·· MR. HUANG:··Form.
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`· · · · ·· Sorry.··Pardon me.
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`· · · · ·· THE WITNESS:··One that immediately comes to
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`·mind is Crossroads vs. Dot Hill.
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`· · ·· Q.··And other than Crossroads vs. Dot Hill,
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`· · ·· A.··Another case I was involved in was Storage
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`· · ·· Q.··Okay.··Other than Crossroads vs. Dot Hill
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`· · ·· A.··Another case involved EMC vs. Hitachi Data
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`· · ·· Q.··Were -- were there any other cases that
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`·Systems that you were involved in?
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`· · ·· A.··At this moment I can't recall.
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`· · ·· A.··Yes.
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`· · ·· Q.··And what were those cases?
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`· · ·· A.··There was a case involving Thinking
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`· · ·· Q.··What other cases involved storage
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`· · ·· A.··Thinking Machines Partners and
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`· · ·· Q.··What other cases involved storage
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`· · ·· A.··Thinking Machines Partners versus a company
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`· · ·· A.··There were additional cases, but at this
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`· · ·· Q.··In Storage Computer vs. Hitachi Data
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`· · · · ·· MR. HUANG:··Form.
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`· · · · ·· THE WITNESS:··In that particular case, it
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`· · ·· Q.··And what was technology involved in EMC vs.
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`·Hitachi Data Systems?
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`· · ·· A.··It was a -- also about this technology
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`· · ·· Q.··And the -- what was the technology involved
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`· · ·· A.··Also RAID.
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`· · ·· Q.··And Thinking -- what was the technology
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`·Controller vs. Hitachi Data Systems?
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`· · ·· A.··I'm sorry.··You -- you -- I think you said
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`· · ·· A.··I did.
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`·opinion on any other subject matter?
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`· · ·· A.··In EMC vs. Hitachi?
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