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`· · ·· UNITED STATES PATENT AND TRADEMARK OFFICE
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`· · · · BEFORE THE PATENT TRIAL AND APPEAL BOARD
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`·CASE NO. IPR2014-01207, IPR2014-01209, IPR2014-01197
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`· · · · · ·· PATENT 7,015,147 B2; 6,425,035
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`·ORACLE CORPORATION, NETAPP INC., and· ··:
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`·HUAWEI TECHNOLOGIES CO., LTD.,· · · · ··:
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`· · · · · · · ·· JEFFREY S. CHASE, Ph.D.
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`· · · · · · · · Friday, April 3, 2015
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`·the State of North Carolina, taken at the Washington
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`·ORACLE CORPORATION, NETAPP INC., and· ··:
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