CROSSROADS EXHIBIT 2310
`Oracle Corp., et al v. Crossroads Systems, Inc.
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`BY MR. GARRETT:
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`Good moening. He. Rus!tel1. My name is
`t represent the det'endants P~thl.i.qht .nd
`Hb.ck Garrett.
`Chapa-real "9A1n.st the plalntlff Cro!'l~l'oads In thu:
`ca.se. Would you state your name and spell It tor I:he
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`My n8fne is Jetfry Russell,
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`Have you ftvee had youe depo"i tIcn tak~n
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`I assume that your counsel has cxpluflea to
`you kin~ or how the peocedueo 9Q03, but l' 11 91Ve you
`my tAke on 1 t 50 that we' ro on the 5iJ.lllle page.
`I! you can, walt unt1.1 1 t1n~sh my
`question before you An3wer, ~nd I won"t Interrupt your
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`It at any time
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`MR. GARR!:TT: That qoes tor you too,
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`(B'( MR. GARRETT)
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`If at any tillle you don't
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`Whar-e do you work. Hr-. ftuuell?
`1 work at Cro"roads System.!.
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`Do YOI) h~lIVe a title"!
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`O. What 15 your tith?
`A. ArchH.ct.
`O. Architect?
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`O. What .,~ your re.spor'llslbilitles • .5 "t'chl.tect~
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`I do desiqn work and try to lead the ettort of
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`O. What kind ot du;iqn work do you do'?
`I cla"lfy it ." embedded systems design .... oek.
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`C.an YOli eJtplaln to me what el'l\tledded systems
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`could you do that1
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`EfQbedded sy.tellD-s 18 sort I)t • bbck box that
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`ha3 software, hardware 1nside of it, and 1t respond, to
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`KR. ROGERS: Objection. Va9u~.
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`1'''18 qot an electric.l
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`enqineerinq de9ree. Thilt·3 it.
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`{BY tilt. GARRETT) Wher.!! is your deQree from?
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`My degree is trom purdue Unlver51ty.
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`Q. What. type o( deqrl:e is lt1 When I !Jay that 1
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`Oh. I '.II. sorry. It'. I Master's or Scienee a.nd
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`9 Electrical EnQineer1n9 from Purdue Un1versity.
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`O. Wh..re did YOu Qet your underqcad?
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`My undergraduate deqree Came tro", Marqu@tte
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`Do you h.ve Any other de'lrte~ b."ide:t tho ••
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`O. Ar. you workinq toward" any other deQrees:
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`l'ta working tow"rd~ Ph.D. in electrical
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`I undu'stand. You mentloned th.t you lead
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`!lome p.ople, is that riqht, in you. job
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`I wouldn't say I cttlcially lead them.
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`provide leadership in technic.! areal.
`C .. n you n&lDe thai. people tor mllll1
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`I'm trylnq to think. To jU!lt come up with ..
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`l1.tt I don't think il appcopch.ttl, bl!c,u8e it winds up
`b~inQ ltIost of the company. Oo.s th.t m.lce Itnsa?
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`I Que,s. Can you tell me do you anSW81' to
`anyone?
`Is there -- do you ha.ve a bo~'7
`[have a manaQ.r.
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`Oh,. ye5.
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`Wl1.o is tt\at?
`John Steezkowski.
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`How do you ,pell John's la.,t namel
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`S-'t-E-C-Z-K-O-W-S-J(-I.
`O. Wh*t 1::11 John·" UUe?
`A. Hi. title 1. a1rector.
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`Is there. Qantleman namlRd John Middleton at
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`Q. What do •• h* dol
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`A. H.· .. the vice pr.sident of .ngin.ering.
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`Do yOU" an.wer to Hr. Hiddleton?
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`Yea, indirectly. H.'s John'. bon.
`00 you tV.1' talk. with Bri.n S .. lth?
`MR. ROGERS; Objection. VaQue,
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`THE WITNtSS: Y •••
`IBY MR. GAAAETT) Generally what about?
`I1R. ROGERs: Objoct1on. Vaque.
`relevance, ovttbrr>ad.
`THE WITNESS: How al'e thinq5 going, time
`of d"y, that kind ot .tuft.
`So dots th"t aean that you
`IBY HR. C'aAARETT,
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`donlt repcl't to Hr. Smith lot all in terJaa Qt your
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`I couldn-t aqte. with that. He' .. the CEO. So
`indirectly everyone reporta to hi ••
`O. When did you first me.t 8ril,n SlI.ith?
`'94 or '95.
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`Q. Wh.ra did you .... t hi_ .t7
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`I met hi. lot IBM.
`Old you two wOl'k t0geth,r there, or dId you
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`just know of him'
`A. We worked in .iallar a'tas.
`cl1Itctly w1th hl ••
`I 'a 901nq to C'Jet back to th.t in a minute, but
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`tell Iae, have you .1"".y. been an architect?
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`I didn't work
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`And I mBan that in terll'lS ot your :ob Utle.
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`O. What title did you hold b.tere a.r:hlte'ct~
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`H~Hd""!lt"e IImqin •• r.
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`How lonljf were you an arc:hi teet -- or h.J\le yO\J
`been 6n architect? Excus~ me.
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`About one y@ar.
`wt\en did you receive the t H le of hillrd~are
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`en9ineer?
`A. When I started at Cro$.$CoOllds,
`O. When was that?
`t ,n.rted at Cro,$Sroo8lCi.s ~n 1995.
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`Co you remember what month?
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`Yea, I do.
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`November.
`weI it called CrossroAds then~
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`It was not.
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`Intin! ty CommStor.
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`How m",ny people worked at InHnny COfMIStor at
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`I don't kno,,",.
`Can you Ilazard a gues.,?
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`toundation, calls tor speculation. A.re you ,uklnQ 1'1 ... l1li
`to que,s?
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`MR. GAR~ETT: Yes, I am.
`H~. A.OGtRS: Lac:k" foundation, call s for
`I admoni,h the witne:l:l to ~nswet' lo! he:
`speculat1on.
`k.now:. tile ans~er. I aC1lnoni:.h the Wl tness not to ques,.
`I'd 9ue5s thue were six
`THE WITNESS:
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`HR. kOG£RS. Heve to strike to tha
`extent the wi tna.,s 1s speculat lnq.
`(BY MR.. GARRETT) What w.t:t your duties "S
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`hard'Nart en91neer?
`'obj~c:t 10n. Vague,
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`THE WITNESS: Can you be mor. Sp.C.l!l<:
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`about that?
`IBY HR. GAlI.k£TTI Let's talk abou':. what
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`you ~- the pl'ojectlS th~t you worked on a~ I-.a.tdwa,re
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`overbroad.
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`MR. ROGERS: Objection. VaQu ••
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`dld when
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`TNt WITNtss: So what projeCts1
`CSY HIL GARRETT} What was the tirst thine;
`you be9,n .t Cl'osHoad:J?
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`first thin; I did was at Inhnlty
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`d.,iqn, ,. l1ttle b1t ot software.
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`How 10n9 did you wort on that development Jut?
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`Nl~. months, I'm ~ueaslnq. plu.l or mlnus a
`coupl. months.
`Old that d*v.lopmfnt Jut .... ave a nam.'
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`Yal, i t did.
`Do you r~e,.ll what the name is?
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`1'l1li not ",Ure.
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`what was the naxt tl"linq you wOc~ed on at
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`Crossroads .ttlr the dlRvelopment Ht?
`Therl's a vu'1ety of amall pro)~cts th,tt ml9ht
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`have followed After that.
`I '. not sure ex,)C't 1 Y what r
`w ... doln9 when 1 flnh;had that.
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`Can you de.tc:r1b. any ot th.ose projects tor me?
`Not in detail. or I don't even I'Bmell'lhe.r
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`epeclt1cally. but there were a lot of what-lf kind$ ot
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`Old you work on a project caUed Verratano?
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`Veil. That "'.:1 -- I would charactenze that as
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`the biq project that happened after th. fiut one.
`O. When cUd you be~in Work on VerUUhQ7
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`O. Would 1 t have been 1n 19967
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`taY H~. GARRETT) Would it have been in chI!
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`Do you know when V.rrazano b.9~n?
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`HR. GARRETT: Doe3 he have .. bl'11.f .8
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`HR. GARRETT: Th. qu8:Jtion is, does he
`have a beliet .. " to when it began.
`MJ\. ROGERS: Okay.
`THE KITNESS: You ask do I have. a heUef
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`"the 972 pAtent" th.t t'm reterrinq to II.U5's1I!11
`Exhib! t 1 '1
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`Yes. I do.
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`1..1$0 rrolll tune to t:.r..e, befot@ I
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`torqet, t'm golnq to {e'er to the acronyn\ S-C-S- I 4S
`SCSI. Do you underst.nd that when I refer to t~e tu:t
`SCSI that' $ wh/llt I mean'?
`Yes, I do.
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`Co you know wh/llt SCSI 5t.nd$ tor?
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`Yeah.
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`Can you tell me?
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`It'~ the acronym for whll!'". you just explalned
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`~hat 15 that .... what do the letter$ s;am1 for.
`do you recall'1
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`The letters stand roc small comput@r sy.ste!'nS
`interhce.
`Thanks. Who"
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`the 972 patenn
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`Geoff Hoe:JC.
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`What dId you and He. Hoese invult.
`"r. Russell?
`we lnvented a virtual .storaqe touter WJ. th
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`O. What m..kes r'ou say that1
`HR. ROGERS: Objection. VaQl,le ~nd
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`THE NITN£SS: Thbt'S what it says on the
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`(8Y H~. GARRETT) Did you write thilt?
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`SO then what brinqs you to the conclu51on that
`you invented A Virtual stongl! router with acc@.!s
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`HA. ROGERS I Sbme obJection..
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`THE WITNESS:
`piltent th.t ['m, .. co-inventor or.. and ene title says
`that's wh.t we invented. So that'" the bOlSi:> tor my
`conclusion.
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`(BY HR. GARP.EttJ Okay. Did your InVentlcn
`aolve any problems that existed in the PHo! art:
`HR. P.OGERS~ L&cl(s toundation. call~ tor
`ap.clJlatlon. calls tor .In expert opinIon, call.!! !or a
`l_Qal conc:lu.ion.
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`l'm not ",skinQ ror legal
`conclusion~ or expert opinions, Mr. flussell.
`I'm JUSt
`a~king it you 'olved any problems that @xhted ih the
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`itihat 1s your b.U.l?
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`There 11 no .ingl. point 1n time th.t it
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`Q. What's the b,sla tor yout i:IIh$wer?
`A. What's the ba~h. Wh"t do YOIl mean by what's
`the b ... .sia?
`O. Why are you an:twarlnq 1n that fuhion? That
`stefll.S stran9_ that :tom..thing didn't have .. beqinninq.
`HR. ROG£RS~ Objection. ArQUl'Ientat1ve.
`I t~in~ It ~.d •
`THE WITNESS,
`beQlnrunq, but I don't think there Wit .. speeUie point
`1n tim.e I could .ay wlS the beqinnlnq.
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`6 Plels., we don't want any psycholo9Y lecture..
`I don't
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`17 what' s balm marked as Russell Exhibit 1. 00 you know
`18 what that 111
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`Yell, I do.
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`It aaYlil it·:I the United StateD Patent HUJIIobe,
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`(BY' MR. GNtRtTTl So it .... ouldn·t surprise l'OU
`to learn. than, thilt there's sOllleone OUt tn@re thJ,t's
`1nvent.d • !ltoraq8 t'o\lter exac:tl)' like the one
`d*!lcribed in this pltent?
`MR. ROGERS: Object10n.
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`toundation. call" for speculation •• r9U1n<entatlve. ana
`aSSUlfIes facts not 1n eVldence.
`1 would have to be
`TH& WITNESS;
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`In addit ion. vaQll~.
`MR.
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`IBY I'fR. GAARtTTI Speculate 6W.ay.
`HR. ROGERS: No. Don't speculate away.
`I'm Qoin!] to Instrl,lct the wltne." not to speculate
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`'tou need to answer his question.
`MR. GARRETT: Counael, 1 think YDU know
`th.t there are two valid Qfounds tor in.structinq the
`",1tn.s. not to answer, once of whicn 15 pr1vLleg:e. thll
`other of wt\lch is 1"1ft hatill,,,ihq him or being oppresSive
`in 20m. way. But unc1~r the rules. lnStruc:tlnq the
`witness not to speculate is iD'lproper.
`HR. ROGERS: Co ilhead and a.s;k YOuc- ft~JCt
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`MA. ROG£ttS: Ask yo'"'l' question.
`(BY HR. CAARETT) Oid ),OUI" invention solve a.ny
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`M~. ROGER.S~ "ske4 ilnd an$wered.
`t didn't qet an inswer,
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`prior art?
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`MR.. ROGtRS: Asked and answered.
`(BY HR. GAAl\.ETTI Why did you file an
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`application lor it then?
`A. Are you .il.sklng rille why did I tile an
`applica.tion to~ thhJ invention'!
`Q. Correct.
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`i.nvented somethinq new that ...... invented somethinQ new.
`O. What about it was new?
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`CBY HR. GARRETT! What lS th"t blltlu!'?
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`I bel.leve Geoff Hoese w&! the prlmu'Y
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`Old he indlcate that to you?
`H~. ~OG£RS: ObjeCtion. Vague.
`THE WITNE.SS! Can you replil!:at thi\t 1
`IBY MR. ~ftr.tT) Sure. Did Geoff Ho~.sll
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`indicate that he wished to file Che appllcdtlcn ~n it
`manner that led you to belhvlt it W~S h1.m who was t~.@
`one who wanted to start the process?
`I don't il:now.
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`O. Wa, Brian Sral.th involved at all ion the
`d.ra!tln9 ot the appl1cation thAt leci to the 912 poH~n::
`Mfot. ROGERS: Lacks foundation, calls fer
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`THE WITNESS! Not th&t I'm aware ot.
`(BY HR, G.ItJlR.ETtl
`So YO\J Olver cOlMlun~cated
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`with Hr. Smitn durin9 the time that you were hdplnq to
`c-ceete the application that led to the 912 patent ~
`MR. ROGERS: objection. VaQue,
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`relevance.
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`THE Wlfm:SS: Could you be ~-
`MR. ROG£E\S: Also I'm qOlnQ to ObJ~c::
`that i.t .ischauctonz.es the witn."'" priOr' t.e~tllTlony.
`THE WITNESS: So are you a.sk~n9 JUH ;.!
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`(BY HR. GAAl\.ETTl Why not?
`HP.. ROGERS, Argumentat1ve.
`THt WITNESS:
`I '.II. not an expert 1n this
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`(BY HR. GAAl\.ETtI Thot's okay. We don't
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`que$tlon h argumentattve. Counsel, .lqa1n, pl •• ,e just
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`Mlt. RQG£RS:
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`trying to direct your attention to 301llewhue .10ng .I.n
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`I understand that.
`Ok,y.
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`1 round F19urlt 1.
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`MR. ~OGERS: Lack" fOUndation, calls f~r
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`it ~ean3. It's a draw.lI'lQ that hiS -- that"s
`.,elf-evident tront wh4lt· 5 there on the paper.
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`THE II'ITNtSS: So are you askino Me it
`It. tamll1.r with fibre channel .nd SCSIl
`f8'! HR. GAIUlEtT) o.vic •• that interface
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`b.t""een fibre chann.l and SCSI. and at the time that
`you filed th.e appUcatlon.
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`[don't )(now.
`O. Who •• 1del wa~ 1 t to tU. the application that
`led to the "2 patent?
`I'. vo1ng to object a.
`HR. P.OGERs,
`v.gul. AIIO, to the .xt.nt it eall, for the witneaa to
`dl.elo •• attorney/client privUIQed co_unication, 1'11
`In.struct the witn.a. not to do that. If you can .nawer
`the question without dl"cloain~ .ttorn.Y'/cllent
`privUeqed co_unication •• 90 .heed and do it.
`THE WITNtsS:
`I can't racell exactly who
`:laid let's tile the patent.
`(BY HR. GARP.ETT) Do you hay • • belt.r about
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`who w&nted to tue the application?
`Lack.s foundation. call. tor
`HI'.. ROGERS:
`the witn.,. to speCUlate 9i.ven the prior answer.
`~ea. I have • bel ier.
`THE NttNESS:
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`1 whit', em the paper?
`MR~ ~OGLRS: Documer.t speak.s fOr ltse: ~
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`wOl"kstatlOr"lS conn~etcd tOQe-thel", and there's " nec;....Jt ...
`acrver, .nc1 it's connected with I SCSI bus to d15k
`dr1 vet.
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`(BY MR. GARRETT) Lookinq at elelTlf:!nt 14 ...... n~~~.
`1. des19nated a, a network ,erver. 1$ that sornet.hlnQ
`you invented, Mr. Ru~sell l'
`MA. ROGEItSI Objection. Vaqut>. Let m"
`ju.t lUke .ure I understand the question. Are you
`askin9' hi. it he invented net .... ork aerV8u?
`to\. ~RtTT: I all.
`THE "ITNESS~ 8efore r an3wer- th"t,
`could you defi",' -net\ltOrk serv.r·l
`(BY MR. GAM.ETTI
`I want to u:se it in the .samp
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`1 would nted -- I don'e know how H's used ~ ..
`the 912 potent.
`O. Well, hkl!l your tift_ and read it th~n.
`Ml'.. ftOCER.S: The whole pttent?
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`MIL GAA~ETT: WI! CoJn take a
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`HR. ~OOE:~S: You want to talce ,
`30-m.inute bteak?
`K~. GARI\&TT: Uh - huh.
`It's your deposition. H.'.
`MR. ROGERS:
`not Asked you .. - well, I ju.,t want to b. perfectly
`clear. You ~.dd, ·You can tak!! 6. lO-minute ):;Lt'e.tlt if
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`IBY HR. (l)JUETTJ Let lI'Le -- "11 b. cleat:.
`would like you to 9ive m. an answer to the question,
`"Old you invent a network seever?" You Ind1catRd to me
`th.at you didn't know hO\f --
`MR. GARRETT: Wh.t I meant by that, I
`indicated to h1rD that I wanted him to interpret that
`tll!!!lrm 1n the same way that h. intended it to be used
`when he inserted it into the application that lid to
`the 972 patent.
`MR. R.OGtRS~ Th.illt wasn't your quest1on.
`Your que!ltion. r th1nk, ba.llieaUy wa.l ...... 1 understand
`YOllr que5tion or your admonition WAS th't he should
`interpret your use of the word "network server- a.s it t s
`used ln the pate-nt. and he .laid he would have to rltad
`the patent.
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`It that'. whit you we.nt
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`.as h. teela is r."!lonable.
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`I don't think Hr. fi.I.lS!U!ll
`HR. GAAR£TT:
`Io/'ould consid.r a whole day re,uon.a.bla to read hh.
`pAtent. but if that'! what he need.s to do.
`MA. ROGERS: Well, then. I'm 90inQ to
`qat to the point where I don't think thet thlt's a
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`THE WITNESS: Do you want !fie to reao;t?
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`Sama oh)eCtlon.
`HR. ROGERSt
`tHE WITN£SS~ So f"iqua 1 is " block
`d1aqum of .. conventional n.twork that pcovlde! storag@
`throuQh the netWork. server.
`(91 HR. GAARETTI Do you k.new what wl.$ meant
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`Hft. ROGERS: Lack.s foundation, calls tor
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`TKE N1TN!:SS: Yes.
`I h,ve a mea.n2.r.q of
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`un MR. GARRETT) What do~.s that me~n?
`Normal.
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`fiR. P.OG£f.tS: Objection. V,ql.le.
`TKE WITNESS:
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`(BY MR. GARRETT I Ar. yOlJ fallllliar wlth the.
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`b"clcqround 'tetion of the patent. He. RUSIItll,?
`NO, I'm not.
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`Ok.y. Would you nund reading bnetly fCOf
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`column 1, lines 26- to .bout 49,
`I thlr'lU Sllently.
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`O~.y.
`Thank you.
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`15 here .... and pleat., I don't want to belaboc this.
`\oIant to Vl't thJ;'O\.l/ln this .s quiCkly ,IS pos:slble.
`Th15 wi tne,. 11 here tor what I
`underHand to be ,a one·d.ay deposition. YOY haven't
`asked the WitneSS que:stion. a.bout ...... you haven't .aked
`the witn •. u
`toundiltion.l Q\,l8.sUons about hi' knowledge
`of the pat.ent. YO\l·v. :IItated an opinion that. you don"t
`think h. would need _ day to read the patent to
`I think r ••• ona.bl. alndl: could dilfer
`understand 1 t.
`on that.
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`But .'Jain, it's your depositlon.
`Ifhat
`do you went to do?
`I-II not inc;:Uned to co., back
`tomorrow atte.r 'pend!n; the reat of the day rtadinq the
`patent.
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`18 M.r_ Ftus:sell, let Ifte ask you to read. II you would,
`be9'lnnln9 at c::olUM 2,. 11n. 60.
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`A. What P&ge?
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`The next fa." p.~e. o".r you'll s.e the
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`I under.nand your
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`I·m QOl1'\9 to re~d the whole back,qround so :
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`re.l tree.
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`Okay. Ftead th.t.
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`In that bAckground section you jescr lee a
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`nll'twork .server, do you not?
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`speaks tor It3eU.
`THE WITNESS: Well, 1 don't think. n'!
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`appropriate to say I deacribe.
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`(8Y HR. GAARtTT) Wh.t would h. more
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`I donlt k.noW', but tha:t'JI not approprutc.
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`Q. Would 1t be more appropriate to say that you
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`and Mr. Hoe •• describe a netwOt'k s.rver in the
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`Even that ,dght be -- a lawyer wrote thl$.
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`1. didn"t. So that"S why I .say that.
`Old you :slqn ott on tht! appllcation l)e!Qu it
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`"as fUed?
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`Okay. Nell. dll'scribed in the back9round
`aection ot the "2 p.~ent 15 .. network server. 1:5 it
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`So in the backQ'tound sectIon of the 9":2
`patent a network int~rconnect between computf!r dltVlee!\
`.nd a network server is dhcussed: is th&t correct ~
`MR. ROGE~S: Obj sction. The doCument
`spea.k. for itself. M1schancter 1tes the document.
`THE WITNESS: That'$. what the worcU say.
`(BY MR. GAl\RETT) And let '4 tUl"n to Fiqure. 1
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`tot' a _inute. And w~ have an element desiqnated lS It.
`Do you .!lee that?
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`Yea, I do.
`If you'll turn tOt me to column z.
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`approxlmilte1y line 64, element U is descnbed is a
`networJc transport medium: is that cor[ec.t1
`That's wh .. t the 972 patent says.
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`Q. W"ould YOu think it hir to c:ompau a nH .... ork
`tran,port medium to th. netwod, 1nterconn~ct that. I $
`delle-rib.d in the b .. ~kljll"ound section of the p;Htnt?
`MR. P.OC£P.S. Object.ian.
`" .. q~e ~nd
`lack:$ foundation, calls (Ot speculatIon.
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`ambiguoU3,
`relevance.
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`IBY MR. GNlRETTJ Are thO$e 1:\110 comparable")
`That m.ay be a better question.
`MR. ROGERS: Same obJe~tion .. nd ,,~:i.~
`toe.n expert 0ploion. The dOcument spe-aKs for la~: ..
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`~elevance .
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`THE WItNtSS:
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`In:.y opinion t.hey· [e
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`cOtnptlrable.
`(I!IY Hj(. c;;..AARETT) Also in the backQcound
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`section. I re6d that a large number ot computlnq deVlces
`... te connected to the network server that '5 descr lted
`there; is th,H cortec;;t'?
`HR. ROGERS;
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`that?
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`I.! It C:OHect that 't'ou
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`m. GAJl..P...ETT: Good question~ Counsel.
`(8Y KP.. G.U,I\ETT)
`Is it correct th,ft that's
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`what'S ,ecit.d In the backqround section that I just
`r •• d to you?
`1 read that typically a lal"qe n'..lmher of
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`I r.ad, are cotrected.
`device"
`Now, tutn1nQ back to F1Qure 1, would it be
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`tair to character!!. the workstations de.!ignated as l2
`as computer devices?
`!1R. ROGERS: The document speakS tor
`its.l!, relevance.
`THE WITNESS: The doc;;ument says tholt
`wQrkSUtlons 12 are descrlbea •• being comprl$ed ot
`proc:e530r memory and t/o devlces. So ltl thl't sense 1
`a9ttc that, yes, thilt'$ .. (;omputin~ devl