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`Crossroads Systems (Texas), Inc.
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`Pathlight Technology, Inc., a Delaware Corporation
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`Crossroads Systems (Texas), Inc.
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`Chaparral Network Storage, Inc., a Delaware Corporation
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`Or .ll Deposition of
`A11tho111f Peterm.ln
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`November 14, 2000
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`CRPS 97953
` CROSSROADS EXHIBIT 2304
`Oracle Corp., et al v. Crossroads Systems, Inc.
` IPR2014-01207 and IPR2014-1209
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`Anchony Pc:t:c:Rman
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`'Cakc:n Novc:mbcR Pl 2000
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`IN' THE UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
`FOR THE WESTERN DISTRICT or •r:xAS
`AUSTIN DIVISION
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`C~OSSF-DADS SYSTEMS
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`PATH!..I:;;HT TECHNOLOGY,
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`ORAL :iEPOS I TI ON OF
`ANTH~~y PETERMAN
`NOVEMSER
`!.4, 2000
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`ORA:. DEPOSITION or ANTHONY PETERMAN,
`prc-duc:ed a.s a witness at the instanca of the Oefendants
`and duly sworn. wa.s
`taken. in the abt1ve ~tyled and
`n~mbered cause on the 14th day of November, :2000, from
`1:·7'5" p.m. to 2:40 p.1n •• before Sandra s. Givem1. CSP..
`ir. and :tor the State ot Texas, reported by machine
`sh:::rthand method, at Fulbright ' Jaworski., 1900 One
`Amer!.can Center, 600 Conqress, Aust.:.n. Texas, p•Jr.suant
`to the F'ederal Rules of Civil Procedure.
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`A P P E A R A N C E S
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`FOR THE PLAINTIFF:
`Matthew C. Bernstein
`Gray, Cary, ware & Freidenrich, LLP
`401 B Street
`Suite 1700
`San Diego, California 92101-4297
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`FOR THE DEFENDANTS:
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`David D. Bahler
`Fulbright & Jaworski, LLP
`1900 One American Center
`600 Congress Avenue
`Austin, Texas 10701
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`ANTHONY PETERMAN
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`BY MR. BAHLER:
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`Q. MorninQ, Mr. Peterman.
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`A. Morning.
`Or •f't•rnoon, r~ther. Will )'ou pl••• it.at•
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`your t'ull name?
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`Hy name is Anthony £rnest eeterm.an.
`And wh•r• do you 11w, ail'?
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`4704 £aqle Feather Onve, Austin, Texas.
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`Sir, and where do you wort?
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`Dell Computer,
`How lonq have vou wort eel the.re'?
`I •ve wocked there tot almost t""o years.
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`Am:hony Pet"eRm.l.n
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`L.i.ken NovembcR 14. 2000
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`Do you lr.nov how long before t.h•t you ••t
`vi.th -- V•ll, you ••t ~iret -- •trilr.• that qye•tion.
`Do you kn.ov ho• lon; before t.hi• applic..tion ••• Cil•d•
`Dec.nber :n.t, 19Q7, vae th• lir•t tie• yo\I S\et with
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`do no".: rem.ember the exact date.
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`MR. BAfi:..t:R: Okay. Xr. Bernstein. de
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`you have CcO$$rOad.s" production number 41920. which u
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`a :.etter tl\at•s C:'l the ~1st ~ere, ti"'.e last. :::ine'?
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`wc•ld :Oe -- well, I wo;,,ild nave t,? quess.
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`I only remember one.
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`And that vaa at th• Croaaroad• faci.liti•a?
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`Did you ni••t. -- ether than ttr. Ho.s•, did you
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`1r1eet with iU"lyon. el_.. within Cro••road.a with resp.act to
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`th• 972 patent?
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`I do not remember meeting with anyone else.
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`DJ..d you •v•r sae•t. vith a~. Dal• Quia~rry?
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`Did you ever •••t vit.h Brian Snaith?
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`MR, BAHtt~: Sure.
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`MR. BERNSTEIN: By providinq you a. copy
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`of this document l just w•nt ycur aQreeltLent that '"'e're
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`not in any way waivin9 the attorney/client priv1le9e.
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`MR. BAHLER:
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`I a.9ret.
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`MR. Bt::RNSTEIN: And alsc we prehr tha:.
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`the document not be a depos1 tion exhl.b.i. t as well.
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`MR. BAHLER: That's !ine.
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`MR. BERNSTEIN: What :-.·..imt:-er is ;.:?
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`MR. BAHLER:
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`It's a thinq called
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`l@tte:r. whic:h is November 20th, 19!17.
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`It's the last
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`(BY HR. BAHLER) All n.qht. Mr. P•tennan,
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`l•t'• t*1t• •
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`loolr. at -- 1•11 not 9'01nq to iurlr. t.hi•.
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`Thi• 1• Cro•aroad• UP2D. I'• juat qoi.nq to h"nd it. to
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`Oo you tnov vho Brian S.ith ia?
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`Ye~. r reco;ni..ze his narn.e.
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`you. Go ah•ad. and t&lr.• a look at that.
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`lett..r that you prepar•d? It ••Y• July 11th, 1t9'1,
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`HOV do you know ...... ,,911, who'• Brian S.it.h?
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`That. 1 5 the date on the document.
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`I think -- well. at one point he 1o1as the CEO
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`HR. BAHLER: But I not.ice t~at thiJ
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`head ot CrOS-5road!5.
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`li!!t., Hr. Bernstein. !!lays November 20th.. 15Hn.
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`And hov do you cane to that under•tanding?
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`MA. BEP.NSTEIN: ThHe"s the £etter
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`I've :!leen his name in the paper. One of the-
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`ll'tere hlgh profile IPOs in the City; so I remember tlis
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`MR. SAHLER: Oh.
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`Q. A.tt•r you . . t with Mr. eoe .. , •h•n.ve:r it wa•,
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`did yo11 pr~ a dratt ot th• 172 patent. ·~lie.ti.on.?
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`\otlhait's thl.S one'. This l !
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`MR. BERNSTEIN:
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`! believe i.t is, or at
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`least it should be. What's the number on there:?
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`HR. Blll!U:R:
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`H~. BE:RNSTEIN: Yeah.
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`MR. BAHLE.R: But that's the one •.,11th
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`(Br Ha. aABLIJl) Let.'1 lake a loot at thi•
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`one, Thi• 1• Cro••rcact. produoti.on n~r Ut20. That
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`I'• eorry. Yeah.
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`JUly 11th, 1519,, eorract?
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`And i• th•t you.r •i.gnatur•?
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`That is my siqnat.ure.
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`application wa::i filed to only h.ave a copy o! -::he
`applicbtion a.!! !1led ii\ the rile. Sorn@ti!Tles,
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`: would ol:s'o h4Vllt a c:lean -::opy of a
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`Anr:hony Per:eRITh\n
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`Luken Novr.:mbeR 11.t. 2000
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`July llth, 1997.
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`My qenera~ practice would be at :i-,e :ime tt:e
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`could you Ju•t t•ll me Mhat that l•tter ie?
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`conception document.
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`This looks like the letter, sort of the
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`.!tar.d~rd form -:Jf lette::- 1 we<uld use ''"'ti.en transl!'llttinq a
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`Okay. But 1C you had lc.•Jlt euch a -- tint of
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`dra.~t pa.tent ai:;pli.catio:'l. to an inventor tcr review.
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`all, you 111ent1o~d cone.pt.ton d.ocWlle"-t. What•• a
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`And i• that -- p-.at. th•t. letter a•ide ju•t. tor
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`.Exhibit J, which i• the proeiteution hi•tory. All
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`z:i9ht? Ahd I'• in tab 1 of that, which i• the eov•rir,q
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`und•r '"at.tarn•)' docket number.• Do you . . . that, •le?
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`Okay. Md l.a that the a.me attorney doc:ument
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`number th.at'• on th• letter that we're taltin'iJ &bout?
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`Yeah it's 064113.103.
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`Q, All riqht. So did you l'orv•.rd a d.i:'a!t. of the
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`application whi~h ultian.at•ly r••ult•d ill the !>12 patent
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`to Hr. Hoe.t• on July 11th, 1997?
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`You know,
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`euch a conception docwn•nt: •xi•t.ad "ithl.n th• fil•• of
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`Ba.ker " Botta for th• pat•nt .i.l'l thi.a ease.,
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`1 don't remember.
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`Okay. It •uc:h a docwti•nt ha.do e•i•t•d. would
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`it hav• or hav• not b.•n r-oved from th• til• tor any
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`rw••on th• t yo\l know?
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`Mlt. BERNSTtIN: VOJecti.on. Speculation.
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`THE WITNESS:
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`"Would -- :: mean, the letter !ay5 I .sent him a draft.
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`guess I dict.
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`Okay.
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`r>o you kn.ow how lonq b.for• July 11th,
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`CBY HR. BAKLl:R) All riqht.
`rt we had it, it would stay there.
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`l!J97 it wa• that you h•d thia •-tin9 with Mr. Hoe•• at
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`exampl•, wh•n a pat•nt iaau.cl waa there any •!fort to
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`clean•• the tile or throw •••Y thi.nqa in th• tile which
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`Okay. Did Mr. Hoe•• provide you wl. tb
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`w•ni not public docuaianta or anythif\9 lill.• th•t?
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`material• upon vt\ich to baa• the patiant applieation?
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`There's - .. the-re was no 9eneral rule ::>:
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`I don't remember what Mc. Hoe~e Uid ot did not
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`Ok•Y· And, in tact, wh•n th.ie patent i••u•d
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`Q. Did anybody elae at. C:ro••ro•da prav:idlt yo\li any
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