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` BEFORE THE PATENT TRIAL AND APPEAL BOARD
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`Case No: IPR2014-01102
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`U.S. Patent No: 5,228,077
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`Case No: IPR2014-01103
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`U.S. Patent No: 5,552,917
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`Case No: IPR2014-01104
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`U.S. Patent No: 5,414,761
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`Case No: IPR2014-01106
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`U.S. Patent No: 5,255,313
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`Case No: IPR2014-01109
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`U.S. Patent No: 7,831,930
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` Deposition of ALEX COOK, taken
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`before LAURA MUKAHIRN, CSR, RPR, CRR, at
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`One South Dearborn Street, in the City of
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`Chicago, Cook County, Illinois, commencing
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`at 9:00 o'clock a.m. on the 15th day of
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`June, 2015.
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`Universal Remote Control v. Universal Electronics, Trial No. IPR2014-01109
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`Universal Remote Control Exhibit: 1052 Page 000001
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`A P P E A R A N C E S:
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` OSTROLENK FABER LLP
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` 1180 Avenue of the Americas
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` New York, New York 10036
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` (212)382-0700
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` BY: MR. KEITH BARKAUS
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` -AND-
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` SIDLEY AUSTIN
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` 1001 Page Mill Road
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` Building 1
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` Palo Alto, California 94304
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` (650)565-7006
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` BY: MR. PETER H. KANG
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` MR. FERENC PAZMANDI
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` Appeared on behalf of Universal
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` Remote Control, Inc.;
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` GREENBERG TRAURIG, LLP
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` I N D E X
` Examinations Page
`Cross-Examination 4
`By Mr. Barkaus
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` E X H I B I T S
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` Exhibit 1030 4
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` No. 1030, Trial No. IPR 2014-1109
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` Exhibit 1031 244
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` No. 1031 Trial No. IPR 2014-01109)
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` Exhibit 2029 37
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` Trial No. IPR 2014-01109
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` Exhibit 1008 90
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` 1008 Trial No. IPR 2014-01109)
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` Exhibit 1001 108
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` Exhibit 1003 81
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` Exhibit 1004 220
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` Exhibit 1032 242
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` 1032, Trial No. IPR 2014-1109)
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` Exhibit 1006 244
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` 1006 in the '930 patent IPR)
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` Exhibit 1033 249
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` (Witness sworn.)
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` ALEX COOK,
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` called as a witness herein, having been
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` first duly sworn, was examined and
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` testified as follows:
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` Cross-Examination
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` By Mr. Barkaus
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` Q. Okay. Mr. Cook, my name is
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` Keith Barkaus. I'm with the firm of
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` Ostrolenk Faber LLP in New York
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` representing the Petitioner, Universal
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` Remote Control, Inc. And with me I have
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` Mr. Ferenc Pazmandi from Sidley Austin also
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` representing Universal Remote Control; and
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` Peter Kang, also from Sidley Austin, who
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` also represents Universal Remote Control.
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` I'm going to go ahead and get
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` started here with an exhibit which I have
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` tentatively marked as Universal Remote
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` Control Exhibit 1030 for Trial No. IPR
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` 2014-0019.
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` (Document marked as
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` Exhibit No. 1030 for
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` identification.)
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` Q. And, Mr. Cook, as you can see,
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` this document on the top right side there
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` it says Amended Petitioner's Notice of
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` Deposition of Alex Cook. And if you turn
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` to the second page there, it refers to the
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` deposition that will be taking place in
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` Case Nos. IPR 2014-1102, 2014-1103,
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` 2014-1104, 2014-1106, and 2014-1146. Do
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` you see that?
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` A. I do see that.
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` Q. And is it your understanding
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` that you're here today to provide testimony
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` in those IPR matters?
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` A. Can you relate to me which -- I
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` don't know the IPR numbers off the top of
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` my head. Can you relate to me what patents
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` are in each of those?
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` Q. I believe I can.
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` A. Okay.
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` Q. IPR 2014-1146 relates to U.S.
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` Patent No --
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` A. The last three digits will be
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` Q. The last three digits. That's
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` even better, because I know those better.
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` That's the '207 patent.
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` A. All right.
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` Q. And, actually, I forgot to
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` notice on the front page of that same
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` document there is another case number
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` listed, IPR 2014-01109 which, as you can
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` see, relates to the '930 patent. And then
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` IPR No. 2014-1106 relates to, one second
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` here, I don't have these memorized either.
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` I have to look them up, too. So matter
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` 1106 relates to the -- Let's skip back.
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` 1102 relates to the '077 patent. 1103
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` relates to the '917 patent. 1104 relates
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` to the '761 patent.
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` A. That leaves '313 for --
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` Q. Correct. 1106 relates to the
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` '313 patent. So now we've figured out what
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` all these numbers relate to, is it your
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` understanding that you are here today to
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` give testimony with respect to these IPR
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` matters?
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` A. Yes. Yes.
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` Q. And are you prepared to give
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` A. I am.
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` and true testimony today with respect to
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` these matters?
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` A. No.
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` Q. Okay. Mr. Cook, have you been
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` A. I have.
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` Q. About how many times would you
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` A. Once or twice.
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` Q. And do you remember the matters
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` that you were deposed in?
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` A. The one specific one I remember
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` was back, I think, in 1995 was another case
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` for UEI, UEI vs. Phillips. I can't tell
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` you any of the details or the case number
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` Q. Was that a patent case?
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` A. It was a patent case, yes.
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` Q. And were you giving testimony
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` as an expert in that case?
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` A. I was.
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` Q. Do you remember the -- you
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` other time you were deposed?
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` A. No. No recollection.
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` Q. Was it a patent case?
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` A. Yeah. It would have been a
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` patent. I've only ever done expert witness
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` Q. Do you recall the technology
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` A. I'm --
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` MR. MAIERS: Objection. Form.
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` THE WITNESS: I'm sorry.
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` MR. MAIERS: Just making an
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` THE WITNESS: I suspect it
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` was -- It would have been Universal Remote
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` Q. You suspect, but you don't
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` A. No. I'm sure it was.
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` Q. Okay. And in that 1995 case
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` where you were working with UEI, do you
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` A. It was a remote control.
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` Q. And do you remember the patent
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` A. Not off the top of my head, no.
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` Q. Do you recall who the opposing
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` A. Phillips.
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` Q. And in your testimony did you
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` Phillips or patents that were owned by UEI?
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` A. UEI.
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` Q. So you did not give any
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` A. No, no. Not to my
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` Q. Did you wind up testifying in
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` A. I did.
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` Q. And in the other case in which
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` you recall giving deposition testimony, did
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` you testify in court in that case?
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` A. No. I've never testified in
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` but I don't recall the specifics of it.
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` Q. And would that have been a
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` patent case?
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` A. Yes.
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` Q. And you don't recall the
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` specifics -- So you don't recall the
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` subject matter of the patents involved?
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` MR. MAIERS: Objection. Form.
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` THE WITNESS: Not specifically
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` off the top of my head, no.
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` BY MR. BARKAUS:
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` Q. Okay. In the 1995 case
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` I believe, that the technology involved
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` related to universal remote controls; is
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` that correct?
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` A. Yes.
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` Q. Were any of the patents
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` patents involved in the IPRs that we're
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` here to talk about today?
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` MR. MAIERS: Objection to form.
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` THE WITNESS: I don't understand
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` Q. Did that case involve any of
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` the same patents that we're here to talk
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` A. I don't see how it could based
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` on the filing dates. I don't think so. I
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` think we do have one that's that old, but I
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` don't think -- I don't recall that that was
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` the case, no.
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` Q. Okay. Could you please briefly
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` summarize your education after graduation,
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` graduation from high school, please?
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` A. I attended Georgia Institute of
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` Technology from 1973 through 1977, which
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` resulted in a Bachelor of Electrical
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` Engineering Degree. In '78 and '79 I did
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` was a number of courses, but did not
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` result -- I was not working towards a
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` degree, just a number of courses I took.
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` And that's my formal engineering education.
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` Q. The -- What was the subject
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` matter of the graduate courses that you
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` took in '78 to '79, if you recall?
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` Basically it was coding theory and
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` different types of coding for signals.
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` Q. When you say coding, you're
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` signals or coding as in writing computer
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` code?
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` A. No, not computer code. This
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` was more like error correcting codes, that
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` type of thing.
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` Q. And then could you please
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` summarize for me -- Actually, let's go
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` about this a different way. Withdrawn.
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` Are you currently employed?
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` A. Yes.
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` Q. And where are you currently
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` employed?
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` A. I'm a consultant for Comcast
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` Corporation. Actually for Comcast Cable.
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` Q. As a consultant, do you work
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` for a consulting company or is it your own
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` A. I work for a consulting company
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` called TAC Services, Inc., and it's a
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` company that my wife owns. So, no, it's
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` not my company.
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` Q. But hopefully you have a good
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` relationship with your boss.
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` A. Some days it's more of an
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` employee relationship, but yes.
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` Q. And how long have you worked
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` for TAC Services, Inc.?
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` A. Three and a half years, I
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` Q. Do you do work for any other
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` outside companies as a consultant for TAC
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` Services, Inc.?
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` A. No. Through TAC it's always
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` been for Comcast.
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` Q. Do you do any consulting work
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` other than for TAC Services, Inc.?
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` A. I'm obviously here today, yes.
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` Q. So then UEI would be a
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` outside of TAC Services, Inc.?
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` A. There's another company that we
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` have called K-TAC, LLC, and Greenberg
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` Traurig asked for my services for this
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` case, and this is being run through K-TAC.
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` Q. That's K, dash, the letters
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` Q. And does your wife own that
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` A. Yes, she does.
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` Q. Are there any other customers
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` A. Currently that's the only two.
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` Q. And approximately how long --
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` A. That's fine. So, no, I'm not
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` Q. Are you an independent
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` contractor?
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` A. Yes.
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` Q. Are you an employee of TAC
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` Services, Inc.?
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` A. No. Independent contractor of
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` Q. How long have you been working
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` A. Yes. I had a company called
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` Radium Technology, R-A-D-I-U-M,
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` Technologies, Inc. And I was the president
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` Q. You were the president?
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` A. Yes.
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` president?
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` company.
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` Q. And what type of work did you
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` do at Radium Technologies, Inc.?
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` A. The primary focus of Radium
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` Technologies was to build devices like
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` satellite receivers and cable boxes in Asia
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` for contract customers, UNs.
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` Q. So your customers were in the
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` United States and the products were being
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` built in Asia?
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` you president of Radium Technologies -- how
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` long did you work for Radium Technologies,
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` Inc.?
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` A. I formed Radium Technologies --
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` it was either '98 or '99. I can't recall
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` exactly when it was set up.
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` Q. So from about 1998 until --
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` A. That's correct.
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` Q. -- 2006?
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` A. Yes.
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` Q. It was about eight years or so?
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` A. Yeah. Sounds right.
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` Q. Were you president the whole
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` time?
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` A. Yes.
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` Q. Did you have any employees?
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` A. Yes. Engineer and some, from
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` time to time, some administrative help.
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` Q. Was that a single engineer or
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` multiple engineer?
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` A. I had one engineer employee.
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` There was some times we used other
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` A. No. I did some consulting work
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` during that time that was -- I'm trying to
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` recall. I believe that was -- I think that
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` was all done through Radium Technologies,
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` though, so I believe that the answer,
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` technical answer to your question, is yes,
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` I was.
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` Q. Okay. So just you did do some
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` consulting work, but you believe you did it
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` through Radium Technologies?
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` A. Through Radium Technologies,
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` yeah. That would have been the way it was
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` done.
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` Q. Prior to 1998 were you
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` employed?
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` A. I did -- yes. 1998 -- a good
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` portion of 1998 I spent working on some
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` product development ideas of my own. And
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` so there's a portion of that time that
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` technically I would say I was unemployed,
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` but that was in product development work.
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` starting Radium Technologies?
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` predecessor to starting Radium
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` Technologies.
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` Q. And this was just work that you
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` were doing on your own. You weren't
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` employed by anyone else or contracted by
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` anyone else?
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` A. It was the engineer in the
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` garage scenario.
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` Q. And were you employed prior to
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` 1998?
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` A. Yes. From -- In 1992 I formed
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` a company called Concordant Technology,
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` C-O-N-C-O-R-D-A-N-T, with a partner. And
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` from '92 to '96, I was a silent partner in
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` that business. And from approximately
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` March of 1996 into early 1998 I ran that
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` business and was primary technical lead in
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` that company.
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` Q. And do you remember your
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` partner's name?
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` Q. And what business was
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` Concordant Technology in?
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` A. Concordant was formed to
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` leverage all the Asian manufacturing
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` contacts that we had developed through the
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` years and build products overseas for U.S.
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` customers. It was similar to Radium
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` Technologies later. There was also some
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` consulting and things done there also.
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` Q. So the primary business of
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` Concordant then was selling products to
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` U.S. customers that were made by Asian
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` factories or Asian manufacturers?
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` A. Yes. So providing that,
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` providing consulting services for companies
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` that wanted to manufacture overseas, to do
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` the introductions, teach them we're about,
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` what was involved. It wasn't as
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` predominant at that time, manufacturing in
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` China, Korea, and Japan, as it is today.
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` Q. Okay. So the consulting
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` services that you performed were through
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` Concordant Technology?
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` A. Yes. The one exception to that
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` through Concordant.
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` Q. So you worked for UEI. Do you
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` recall when that was or when it began?
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` A. It would have begun in -- it
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` was roughly the second half of 1996.
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` Q. And the work that you did with
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` UEI in 1996, at some point you believe that
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` was not through Concordant Technology?
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` A. My recollection is it was not
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` through Concordant technologies.
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` Q. And I believe you had
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` previously mentioned that you testified in
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` a matter involving UEI and Phillips in
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` around 1995?
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` A. Correct.
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` Q. So was that additional work
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` that you did for UEI?
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` A. Correct.
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` Q. Okay. And that was prior to
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` this work that you're referring to in 1996;
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` is that correct?
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` A. That's correct.
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` work that you did with UEI in 1995 done
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` A. No. That would have been
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` direct between myself and UEI. And in 1995
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` I was still employed by Scientific Atlanta.
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` Q. Okay. So then you started
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` Concordant Technologies in 1992 while you
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` were also still employed by Scientific
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` Atlanta?
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` A. I was a silent partner. That's
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` correct. I was a silent partner from '92
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` to the time I left Scientific Atlanta in
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` March of 1996. So I did not have an active
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` role other than investor.
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` Q. So you left Scientific Atlanta
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` in 1995. When did you start working for
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` Scientific Atlanta?
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` A. I actually left Scientific
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` Atlanta in March of 1996. I started
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` working there in September of 1983.
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` Q. When you left Scientific
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` Atlanta in 1996, what was your position
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` there or title?
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` A. Director of engineering. I
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` product engineering.
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` Q. And what products did
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` Scientific Atlanta make?
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` A. Predominantly cable television
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` set-top boxes and the associated
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` peripherals like remote controls.
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` Scientific Atlanta was a full end-to-end
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` supplier of cable television technology, so
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` they also built all of the other components
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` necessary for a cable operator to provide
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` cable services.
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` Q. What are some of those other
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` components, aside from the cable box and
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` the remote? What were some of those other
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` components?
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` A. Like satellite receivers,
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` antennas, distribution amplifiers, what's
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` called conditional access technology;
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` basically the scrambling systems and
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` things.
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` Q. And as the director of product
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` engineering, you had a hand in all those
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` products?
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` A. No. My focus -- and I had
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` Q. Right now we're just talking
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` when you left what your position was.
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` A. When I left, and actually
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` during my entire career, it was all focused
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` on cable television set-top boxes and
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` scrambling, descrambling technologies, and
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` then remote controls also.
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` Q. Approximately how long were you
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` the director of product engineering at
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` Scientific Atlanta?
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` A. I believe I was director of
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` product engineering -- let me qualify. I
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` managed the product engineering group for
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` about two years from its inception until
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` the time I left. I believe that my title
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` as director was only in the last year of
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` that.
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` Q. Okay. So the product
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` engineering group did not exist prior to
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` 1994 or so?
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` A. That particular group, that's
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` my recollection is '94, somewhere in that
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` time frame, yes. That group was
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` factories outside of Asia and transitioning
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` technology into those factories.
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` Q. And from its inception around
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` 1994, even though you didn't have the title
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` of director, you were managing that group?
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` A. That's right.
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` Q. So prior to managing the
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` product engineering group, starting in
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` about 1994, what was your position at
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` Scientific Atlanta?
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` A. I think senior engineering
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` manager, I think.
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` Q. And what was the time frame
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` that you held that title?
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` A. From about 1986 until that
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` time.
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` Q. Okay. So from about 1986 until
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` about 1994; is that correct?
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` A. Yeah. I think so.
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` Q. And as a senior engineering
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` manager, were you still involved in product
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` development?
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` A. Absolutely. It was a very
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` hands-on position.
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` develop?
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` A. Set-top boxes, remote
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` control-related technology.
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` Q. When you say related
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` technology, are you referring to the other
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` ones we discussed like satellite receivers
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` and --
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` A. No. How we scramble and how we
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` descramble.
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` Q. And that scrambling -- I guess
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` descrambling would occur in the set-top
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` boxes?
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` A. Yes.
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` Q. And prior to 1986, what was
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` your position at Scientific Atlanta?
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` A. I believe engineering manager
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` would have been prior to being senior
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` engineering manager.
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` Q. About how long did you hold
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` that position?
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` A. Maybe a year and a half maybe.
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` Q. And as an engineering manager,
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` were you involved in the same sort of
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` products?
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` Q. Okay. So that would bring us
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` to about 1984 or so. Does that sound about
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` right?
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` A. Yeah. That's right.
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` Q. That you became engineering
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` manager. And were you employed by
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` Scientific Atlanta prior to 1984?
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` A. Yeah. I joined in '83.
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` Q. Okay. And what was your
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` position when you first joined?
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` A. Probably senior engineer.
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` Q. And were you involved in the
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` same products and same product development?
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` A. Yes.
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` Q. So from 1983 when you joined
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` the company until 1996 when you left the
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` company, the company being Scientific
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` Atlanta, your -- you were involved in
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` product development in set-top boxes,
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` remote controls, scrambling and
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` descrambling?
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` A. Yes.
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` Q. Okay. Were you employed prior
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