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`IPR2014-00828, Paper No. 50
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`UNITED STATES PATENT AND TRADEMARK OFFICE
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`BEFORE THE PATENT TRIAL AND APPEAL BOARD
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`FUJITSU SEMICONDUCTOR LIMITED, FUJITSU SEMICONDUCTOR
`AMERICA, INC., ADVANCED MICRO DEVICES, INC., RENESAS
`ELECTRONICS CORPORATION, RENESAS ELECTRONICS
`AMERICA, INC., GLOBAL FOUNDRIES U.S., INC.,
`GLOBALFOUNDRIES DRESDEN MODULE ONE LLC & CO. KG,
`GLOBALFOUNDRIES DRESDEN MODULE TWO LLC & CO. KG,
`TOSHIBA AMERICA ELECTRONIC COMPONENTS, INC., TOSHIBA
`AMERICA INC., TOSHIBA AMERICA INFORMATION SYSTEMS,
`INC., TOSHIBA CORPORATION, and THE GILLETTE COMPANY,,
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`Case Nos. IPR2014-00828, IPR2014-00829,
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`IPR2014-00917, IPR2014-01073, IPR2014-01076
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`Patent Number 6,805,779
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`Oral Hearing Held on Monday, June 15, 2015
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`Before: KEVIN F. TURNER, DEBRA K. STEPHENS, JONI Y. CHANG,
`SUSAN L.C. MITCHELL, and JENNIFER MEYER CHAGNON,
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`DAVID M. TENNANT, ESQ.
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`NATHAN ZHANG, ESQ.
`White & Case LLP
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`XIN-YI (Vincent) ZHOU, ESQ.
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`JOHN J. FELDHAUS, ESQ.
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`Case Nos. IPR2014-00828, IPR2014-00829, IPR2014-00917,
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`J UDGE C HANG: Go o d mo rn ing . P l eas e b e
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`s ea te d . Would coun sel pl eas e in tr odu c e you rs el f an d a n y o f
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`yo u r col le agu es .
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`M R . TENNANT: Da vid Tenn an t wi th Whit e &
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`C a se fo r Glob al Fou ndr ie s . I ' m h e re with my c o l le agu e ,
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`Na th an Zh ang . And ev er yb od y e lse c an i ntr odu ce th e ms e lve s .
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`M R . HUH: Gr ego r y Huh on b eha lf o f Fu jits u .
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`J UDGE C HANG: Goo d mo rn ing .
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`M R . ZHOU: Xin - Yi Zh ou on b eh al f o f Adv an ced
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`M ic ro Devi c es , In c .
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`M R . F ELDHAUS: Jo hn F el dha us on b eh al f o f
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`R en es as Ele ct ronic s Cor por at ion .
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`J UDGE C HANG: Th ank yo u .
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`DR . GONS ALVES : Dr . Grego r y Gon sal ve s
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`r ep r es enti ng Zond .
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`J UDGE C HANG: Ok a y. Goo d mo rni ng . Th ank
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`t wo hou rs to pr ese nt i ts a rg u me nt . P e titi one r b e ars th e bu rd en
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`p re se nta tion b e caus e I r e cogni z e i t is a l ong h ea ri ng a nd mo st
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`S o pl e ase st ar t any t i me yo u lik e . And do you
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`M R . TENNANT: Ye s .
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`J UDGE C HANG: Ok a y. Gr e at .
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`M R . TENNANT: M a y I a pp ro ach?
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`J UDGE C HANG: Ye s , pl e as e .
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`M R . TENNANT: Goo d mo rn ing .
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`J UDGE C HANG: We l l , we ma y g i v e you a lo t o f
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`qu est ions .
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`M R . TENNANT: Ok a y. Th ank yo u . Th at 's fi ne .
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`S o I a m g oi ng to p re se nt tod a y o n th e '779 pa ten t . S i mi l ar to
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`so me o f th e oth e r p re se nta tion s th at we 'v e ma d e , we a r e go ing
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`ov e rvi e w o f th e pr io r a rt , and the n we wil l su mma r i ze th e
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`di sput es i n ou r r esp ons es wit h r es pe c t to th e i ndep end ent
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`c l ai ms f ir st a nd th en we 'll foll o w up with t he d ep end ent
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`sl id e 2 . Th e tit le o f th e '779 p at ent is " Pl as ma Ge n er a tion
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`p at ent re ci te eit he r a pl as ma g en e ra to r o r a me t hod f o r
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`g en er ati ng pl as ma .
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`e mb o di me n ts o f th e '779 p at ent a re di r ec ted to a sput te ring
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`o r me t as tab le atom s ou rc e , and t hat is l abe le d as 204 and also
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`sh o wn in p urp le in Figu r e 2 o f th e i llust r ati on .
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`Th e exc it ed o r me t ast abl e a to m s ou rc e ex cit es th e
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`f e ed g as p rio r t o in je ct ion in to th e c ha mb e r so th at wh en t he
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`f e ed g as i s in je cte d in to th e c ha mb e r p la s ma c an b e g en er at ed
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`wi thin t he ch a mb e r in a mo r e e f fici ent ma n n er .
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`No w, the r e ma in ing el e me n ts in Figu r e 1 a nd
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`g re en , the po we r su ppl y t ha t en e rgi z es bot h th e an od e a nd
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`c a thod e , th e sub st r ate th at re ce iv es t he ma t e ri al that is
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`in je ct ed fr o m t he t a rge t th at i s a p ar t o f th e cat hod e a ss e mb l y,
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`o f c ou rse the pl asma t h a t is g en er ate d b et ween the anod e and
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`Ag ain , the onl y a l leg ed i nve ntion o f th e '779
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`p at ent i s th e a ddit ion o f a me t a st abl e o r exc it ed a tom s ou rc e .
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`r ed . The dis ch arg e r eg ion is fo r me d b et ween fi rs t and se cond
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`e l ect rod es . The fi rst and se cond ele c tro des a re col or ed
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`Th e po we r supp l y, th at is a lso color ed in bl ue , i s
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`c oupl ed to th es e fi rst and se cond ele c tro des and the y e ne rg iz e
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`th e el ec tro des , whi ch as I ' m s ur e you kno w cau se an e l ect ri c
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`f i eld to fo r m b e twe e n th e e le ct rode s . And this ex cit es t he
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`g roun d st at e at o ms t ha t a r e pr es ent in th e dis ch arg e re gion .
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`so ur c e , you s e e me t ast abl e a to ms 218 but th e re a re als o oth e r
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`sp e ci es p re sen t su ch as ion s 424 , e l ect ron s 426 , g rou nd st at e
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`No w, the r e a r e nin e ind ep end ent cla i ms in t his
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`p at ent . An d I want yo u to fo cus on all of t he cl ai m s ,
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`And on sl ide s 5 th roug h 7 , we 'v e col or ed t he
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`l angu ag e th at i s in d isput e , bu t a lso I wil l e xpl ain in t he n ex t
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`f e w slid es , t he r e is r ea ll y o nl y p rima r i l y t wo i ssu es th at ne ed
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`to be add r ess ed th at ar e di spos itive fo r mo st of the is su es o f
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`a ll o f th e cl ai ms , a nd I wil l ex pla in th at in a se cond .
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`As fo r th e g rounds i nsti tut ed , as we c an s e e on
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`sl id e 10 , th e p ri ma r y r e f e re nc e th at is us ed to re je ct a ll o f th e
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`c l ai ms is t he I wamu r a r e f er en c e . Th e s ec ond ar y r e f e r enc es
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`in cl ude Ang e lbe ck , Pin sle y, We l ls , Lov el ock and Grub e r .
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`B ut wh at is i mp or t ant to not e is t ha t , as I will
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`e xpl ain in th e n ext f e w sl ide s , a ll o f th es e r e fe r en ce s e xpl ain
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`ho w to g ene r at e pl as ma , wh i ch is th e s a me s cop e a s , o r th e
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`mu l t i -s te p ioni z atio n , an d a lso wi th re sp ect to c la i m 43 ,
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`wh eth e r o r not t he r e is a p r essu r e di f fe r enti al pr es ent , is
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`di sch a rg e sou rc e , a nd th at 's the fou rth q ue stion yo u n ee d to
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`c onst ru ct ions o f th es e t er ms , a r e i n di sput e . Rat he r , th e
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`J UDGE C HANG: C an I ask yo u a qu est ion
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`r eg a rdin g you r c la i m c on st ruc tion?
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`M R . TENNANT: S u re .
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`J UDGE C HANG: Al though fo r ma l l y we d idn ' t
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`c onst ru e th e t e r m pl as ma , b ut ca n yo u di re ct u s to wh at a
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`pl as ma i s?
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`M R . TENNANT: Ye s , I c an . An d I be li eve th at 's
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`Ko rts hag en 's d e cla r ati on a t p ar ag raph 21 . And h e sta t es a
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`a to ms . And he go es on to e xpl ain th at neu tr al ato ms i nc lud e
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`e xc it ed a to ms , whi ch als o would in clud e me t as ta ble a to ms .
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`S o a pl as ma r e f ers t o th e sp ec ie s of a to ms in a
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`gi ven volu me o f sp a ce , and all of th e exp er ts ar e i n a gr e e me nt
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`a s to the co mmo n us ag e o f th e t erm p l as ma i n thi s c as e .
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`And r ef e rr ing you t o sli de 2 0 of ou r p re sen ta tion ,
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`Ko rts hag en , wh ich i s P et ition e r 's exp e rt , and Pa ten t Own e r' s
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`Dr . Ko rtsh ag en t est if ie d - - act ua ll y th is is a
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`n eut r al a to ms , whi ch i ncl ude s va riou s ex ci ted sta te s, wh ich
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`a to ms a nd exc it ed at o ms , i t would b e fai r t o ch a ra cte r iz e th at
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`a s a pl as ma ?
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`" Ans wer : Th at ha s b een th e co mm on usa ge i n thi s
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`c as e . " And th e cit ati on f or tha t is f r o m Dr . Ha r tsough 's
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`J UDGE C HANG: Th at 's the co mmon de fin ition , so
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`M R . TENNANT: C ould yo u po int me t o th at
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`po rt ion wh er e you ar e re f er ri ng?
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`J UDGE C HANG: S u re . Colu mn 1 , l ine 7 , st ar t
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`M R . TENNANT: Ye s , I do s ee th at d e fini tion .
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`J UDGE C HANG: I don 't se e th at de f init ion
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`in cl ude s ne utr al ato ms , s o ho w do we r e con cil e b etwe e n th at
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`d ef init ion s et fo rth i n th e S pe ci fi cat ion and th e d ef ini tion t ha t
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`th e exp er ts h ave a gr e ed upo n?
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`M R . TENNANT: S u re . I f you , ac tu all y, i f yo u --
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`yo u kno w, go ing th rou gh th e enti re pa te nt o f th e '779 , yo u
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`n ee d to s tud y how t he y a r e u sing pl as ma i n th e cont ext of t he
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`e mb o di me n t a nd ho w it expl ain s wh at a pl as ma i s .
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`And , fo r exa mp l e, a nd I wil l t r y to f ind yo u so me
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`c it ati ons , bu t , fo r e xa mp l e , i n F igur e 1 of the '7 79 pa t ent:
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`Wh e n a pl as ma i s g en er at ed wi thin th e p las ma c h a mb er , th er e
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`And th e r ea son the r e is ex cit ed atoms i s b e ca us e
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`F igu r e 2 , for ex amp l e , t ells yo u tha t th e re is e xc ited ato ms
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`wi thin t he a re a wh er e t he p la s ma is g en e rat ed .
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`J UDGE C HANG: S o I gu ess Pe tition e r 's pos ition
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`M R . TENNANT: I don 't k no w i f th e y sp e ci fi cal l y
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`P e titi one r 's . I ' m so r r y. We a r e not d is reg a rdin g th at
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`J UDGE C HANG: - - ex clus iv e . Oka y.
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`M R . TENNANT: And th e r ea son we kno w tha t is
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`b ec aus e wh en yo u re ad fu rth e r into t he Sp ec if ic ati on , fo r
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`e xa mp l e , re f er ri ng t o th e '779 p at ent at Fi gur e 2 , yo u s e e th at
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`e xc it ed a to ms a r e in th e r egio n whe r e a pl as ma i s be ing
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`g en er at ed .
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`pl as ma i n th e re gio n , you h av e to h av e non - - sp ecie s oth e r
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`th an ions p r ese nt . S o wh en you a re a ppl yi ng yo ur ele c tri c al
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`f i eld ac ros s th e ano de and t he c athod e , in ord e r to ex cit e th e
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`pl as ma a n d fu rt her ex ci te the pla s ma , so me t hing els e h as to be
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`p re se nt in o rd e r to fu rth er ex cit e i t, su ch as ex cit ed a to ms a nd
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`Do es t hat ans we r yo u r q ues tion?
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`J UDGE C HANG: Ye s .
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`M R . TENNANT: Th ank yo u . No w I ' m o n slid e
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`F igu r e 1 o f I wa mu ra . At th e to p ha l f of th e fi gu re we s ee t he
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`Ho wev er , Pi nsl e y a ppl ies the pl asma t h a t is
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`a ppl ies the pl as ma th at is gen e ra ted t o as h an d sput te r . But
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`th e wa y th at p la sma i s g ene r at ed is d o ne in th e s a me ma n n e r .
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`Ang elb e ck is al so di r ec ted to pl asma g e n e rat ion .
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`And onc e a pl as ma is g en er at ed i t is u sed in th e appli c ation of
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`No w I ' m o n sl ide 17 . Sl ide 17 o f ou r p re sen ta tion
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`i llust r at es , aga in , F igu r e 4 o f th e '77 9 pa ten t . And th is is one
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`a to m s ou r ce o f t he ' 779 p at ent . And I 'll just ag ain br i ef l y
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`S o at th e out put of th e e xci te d at om s ou rc e yo u
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`h av e a col le cti on o f ion s , g round s ta t e at o ms , ex cit ed ato ms ,
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`me t a s tab le ato ms , a nd el ect ron s .
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`v ar ious spe ci es of , we ll , th e n eut ra l ato ms a nd ion s is not
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`n e w. And this wa s re cogn iz ed b y th e Bo ard in th ei r
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`in stit utio n de cis ion . And thi s h as a lso b e en con fi r me d b y Dr .
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`Ko rts hag en , fo r ex a mp le , in a suppl e me n tal de cl a rati o n a t
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`a to ms , io ns , e le ctr ons , me t a st abl e a to ms a nd also p ass ing
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`in ven to r of the ' 779 pat en t , co r re ct?
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`" Ans wer : Th at 's c or r ec t ." So re all y wh a t we se e
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`th is is not n e w. And be c aus e it i s no t ne w we s e e a lo t o f
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`si mi l a rit ie s , i f not the ide nti ca l disc losu r e , in the prio r a rt .
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`J UDGE C HANG: I h ave a qu est ion. I t hi nk th at
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`th e ou tput o f all o f th es e g ase s is wh at co rr el at es to a vol u me
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`o f e xc ite d a to ms , r igh t , in th e cl aim i ts el f?
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`M R . TENNANT: Wh i ch cl ai m a r e yo u r e fe r ring
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`J UDGE C HANG: C l ai m 1 , look ing a t cla i m 1 ,
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`th e re is a te r m c a l led a vo lu me o f e xc it e d a to ms g en er at ed b y
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`th e ex cit ed ato m so ur c e .
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`M R . TENNANT: R igh t .
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`J UDGE C HANG: S o I gu ess I would lik e to k no w
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`wh at i s a v olu me o f e xc ite d a to ms th at it is r ef e rr ing t o in t he
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`c l ai ms?
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`M R . TENNANT: R igh t , so th e vo lu me o f ex cit ed
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`a to ms in the cl aims r e f e rs to th e out put o f th e exc ite d a to m
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`so ur c e , an d th e vol u me , I gu ess , wi th r esp e ct to Fi gu re 4
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`J UDGE C HANG: Th en ca n you d ist ingui sh , wh at
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`is th e di ff e re nc e b et wee n a p la s ma a nd a volu me o f e xc it ed
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`a to ms th en , b e caus e it looks lik e the y a r e a ll th e s a me kind of
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`M R . TENNANT: R igh t , th e y do all h av e th e s a me
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`J UDGE C HANG: Th en wh at is th e di f fe r en ce , I
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`M R . TENNANT: I t is an int er est ing que stion . It
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`di stin guish bet wee n th e t wo , in fa ct .
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`Vo lu me o f a - - a pl as ma v olu me i s go ing to
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`do esn 't ex clu de th e p re sen c e or pre c lud e th e pr es enc e o f an y
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`ot he r sp e ci es su ch as io ns .
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`J UDGE C HANG: S o wh at i s th e Pe tit ion er 's
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`po siti on , th at a pla s ma c a n r e ad on bo th c la i m t e r ms th en?
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`M R . TENNANT: Wi t hin t he o rd ina r y u s age of t he
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`ot he r sp e ci es a s we ll s o , ye s , it c an i nc lud e , and yo u ca n a lso
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`us e th e m s yn o n ymo u sl y. A v olu me of ex cit ed ato ms wo uld
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`J UDGE C HANG: I gu ess g en er al l y th e wa y we
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