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` BEFORE THE
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` UNITED STATES INTERNATIONAL TRADE COMMISSION
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`In the Matter of: ) Investigation No.
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`CERTAIN WIRELESS DEVICES ) 337-TA-800
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`WITH 3G CAPABILITIES AND )
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`COMPONENTS THEREOF )
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`___________________________
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` Hearing Room C
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` United States
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` International Trade Commission
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` 500 E Street, Southwest
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` Washington, D.C.
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` Friday, February 15, 2013
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` VOLUME IV
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` The parties met, pursuant to the notice of the
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`Judge, at 9:30 a.m.
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` BEFORE: THE HONORABLE DAVID P. SHAW
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`Ex. 2003-0001
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`IPR Licensing, Inc.
`Exhibit 2003
`ZTE Corp v. IPR Licensing, Inc.
`IPR2014-00525
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` BEFORE THE
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` UNITED STATES INTERNATIONAL TRADE COMMISSION
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`___________________________
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`In the Matter of: ) Investigation No.
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`CERTAIN WIRELESS DEVICES ) 337-TA-800
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`WITH 3G CAPABILITIES AND )
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`COMPONENTS THEREOF )
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`___________________________
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` Hearing Room C
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` United States
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` International Trade Commission
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` 500 E Street, Southwest
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` Washington, D.C.
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` Friday, February 15, 2013
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` VOLUME IV
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` The parties met, pursuant to the notice of the
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`Judge, at 9:30 a.m.
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` BEFORE: THE HONORABLE DAVID P. SHAW
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`Ex. 2003-0001
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`IPR Licensing, Inc.
`Exhibit 2003
`ZTE Corp v. IPR Licensing, Inc.
`IPR2014-00525
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`APPEARANCES:
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` FOR COMPLAINANT INTERDIGITAL COMMUNICATIONS:
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` RON SHULMAN, ESQ.
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` Latham & Watkins LLP
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` 140 Scott Drive
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` Menlo Park, CA 94025
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` MAXIMILIAN A. GRANT, ESQ.
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` BERT C. REISER, ESQ.
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` MICHAEL A. DAVID, ESQ.
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` MATTHEW J. MOORE, ESQ.
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` ELIZABETH V. JOHNSON, ESQ.
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` ADAM M. GREENFIELD, ESQ.
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` JONATHAN D. LINK, ESQ.
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` ANDREW FOSSUM, ESQ.
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` MATHEW D. AICHELE, ESQ.
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` Latham & Watkins LLP
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` 555 Eleventh Street, N.W., Suite 1000
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` Washington, D.C. 20004-1304
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` JULIE M. HOLLOWAY, ESQ.
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` Latham & Watkins LLP.
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` 505 Montgomery Street
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` San Francisco, CA 94111
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` FOR COMPLAINANT INTERDIGITAL COMMUNICATIONS:
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` DALE CHANG, ESQ.
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` Latham & Watkins LLP
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` 355 South Grand Avenue
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` Los Angeles, CA 90071
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` LARRY L. SHATZER, ESQ.
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` DAVID S. STEUER, ESQ.
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` MAURA L. REES, ESQ.
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` MICHAEL B. LEVIN, ESQ.
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` Wilson Sonsini Goodrich & Rosati
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` 650 Page Mill Road
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` Palo Alto, CA 94304-1050
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` LUCY YEN, ESQ.
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` Wilson Sonsini Goodrich & Rosati
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` 1301 Avenue of the Americas, 40th Floor
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` New York, New York 10019
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` VERONICA S. ASCARRUNZ, ESQ.
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` 1700 K Street, N.W., Fifth Floor
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` Washington, D.C. 20006
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`APPEARANCES (Continued):
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` FOR RESPONDENTS HUAWEI TECHNOLOGIES and FUTUREWEI
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`TECHNOLOGIES:
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` ROBERT T. HASLAM, ESQ.
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` STANLEY YOUNG, ESQ.
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` Covington & Burling LLP
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` 333 Twin Dolphin Drive, Suite 700
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` Redwood Shores, CA 94055-1415
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` STURGIS M. SOBIN, ESQ.
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` ALEXANDER D. CHINOY, ESQ.
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` Covington & Burling LLP
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` 1201 Pennsylvania Avenue, N.W.
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` Washington, D.C. 20004
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` CHRIS MARTINIAK, ESQ.
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` SCOTT SCHRADER, ESQ.
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` Covington & Burling LLP
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` One Front Street
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` San Francisco, CA 94111.
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` JENNIFER O. FARINA, ESQ.
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` Covington & Burling LLP.
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` 620 Eighth Avenue, New York Times Bldg.
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` New York, NY 10018
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`APPEARANCES (Continued):
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` FOR RESPONDENTS ZTE CORPORATION:
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` JAY REIZISS, ESQ.
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` LYLE VANDER SCHAAF, ESQ.
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` CHARLES M. McMAHON, ESQ.
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` CARL C. CHARNESKI, ESQ.
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` Brinks Hofer Gilson & Lione
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` 1850 K Street, N.W., Suite 675
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` Washington, D.C. 20006
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` CHARLES M. McMAHON, ESQ.
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` MIRCEA A. TIPESCU, ESQ.
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` JEREMY S. SNODGRASS, ESQ.
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` RAQUEL RODRIGUEZ, ESQ.
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` JEFFREY J. CATALANO, ESQ.
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` DAVID H. BLUESTONE, ESQ.
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` Brinks Hofer Gilson & Lione
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` NBC Tower, Suite 3600
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` 455 N. Cityfront Plaza Drive
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` Chicago, IL 60611
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` FOR RESPONDENTS NOKIA:
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` JOHN D. HAYNES, ESQ.
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` PATRICK J. FLINN, ESQ.
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` MARK A. McCARTY, ESQ.
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` MATTHEW D. RICHARDSON, ESQ.
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` MATTHEW J. URBANAWIZ, ESQ.
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` DANIEL HUYNH, ESQ.
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` DAVID FRIST, ESQ.
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` ROHAN KALE, ESQ.
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` Alston & Bird LLP
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` 1201 West Peachtree Street
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` Atlanta, Georgia 30309
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` S. BENJAMIN PLEUNE, ESQ.
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` ROSS R. BARTON, ESQ.
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` Alston & Bird LLP
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` 101 South Tryon Street, Suite 4000
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` Charlotte, NC 25980
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`For ITC Staff:
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` JEFFREY HSU, ESQ.
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` BRIAN KOO, ESQ.
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` U.S. International Trade Commission
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` 500 E Street, S.W.
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` Washington, D.C. 20436
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`Ex. 2003-0006
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`APPEARANCES (Continued):
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` Attorney-Advisor:
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` PATRICIA CHOW, ESQ.
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` Office of Administrative Law Judges
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` U.S. International Trade Commission
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` 500 E Street, S.W.
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` Washington, D.C. 20436
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` JUDGE SHAW: Dr. Williams, thank you
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`very much, you are excused.
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` THE WITNESS: Thank you.
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` JUDGE SHAW: Maybe we can at least --
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`it is a little early for lunch, a little late
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`for a break, I don't know what the parties
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` MR. SHULMAN: Proceed for another half
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` JUDGE SHAW: Okay.
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` MR. HASLAM: Respondents will call
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`Dr. Harry Bims.
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` JUDGE SHAW: Very good.
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` Well, it is still morning, good
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`morning, Dr. Bims.
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` THE WITNESS: Good morning.
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` JUDGE SHAW: Let me take this
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`opportunity to swear you in.
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`Whereupon--
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` HARRY BIMS,
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`having been first duly sworn, was examined and
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`testified as follows:
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` JUDGE SHAW: Thank you.
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` DIRECT EXAMINATION
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`BY MR. HASLAM:
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`under the term "forward." There we go. All
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`right. You see under forward, Doctor, the
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`document says, "this European standard
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`(telecommunication series) has been produced by
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`ETSI special mobile group (SMG) and is now
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`ETSI standard's two-step approval procedure."
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` A. I see that.
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` Q. Okay. Now, you have never been a
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`member of ETSI, correct?
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` A. That is correct.
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` Q. And you have never attended any
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`meetings of ETSI, correct?
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` A. Correct.
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` Q. You have never published documents on
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`behalf of ETSI, correct?
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` A. That is correct.
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` Q. You could not describe ETSI's
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`correct?
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` A. Yes, that's correct.
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` Q. Let's look at the last page of this
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`document, RX-79, which is page 104. Here you
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`see the document history list, version 6.1.1
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` Q. Let's compare that with the document
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`Now, RX-45's document history states,
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`"publication in July 1998," right?
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` A. Yes, that's probably true.
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` Q. Okay. Thank you.
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` Let's turn to the draft UMTS
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`standards. Now, in your witness statement, you
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`standards, correct?
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` A. No, not in my witness statement.
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` Q. Let's look at your witness statement,
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`3519C at Q and A 1258.
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` A. So you have switched between GPRS and
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`UMTS.
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` Q. I'm sorry if I didn't make that clear.
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`I am moving to the draft UMTS. So in your
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`Ex. 2003-0010
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