In The Matter Of:
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`SAMSUNG ELECTRONICS CO. LTD,
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` REMBRANDT WIRELESS TECHNOLOGIES, LP
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`DAVID GOODMAN, Ph.D. - Vol. 1
`November 7, 2014
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`REMBRANDT EXHIBIT 2308
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`SAMSUNG ELECTRONICS CO. LTD,
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`DAVID GOODMAN, Ph.D. - Vol. 1
`November 7, 2014
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`UNITED STATES PATENT AND TRADEMARK OFFICE
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`BEFORE THE PATENT TRIAL AND APPEAL BOARD
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`SAMSUNG ELECTRONICS CO. LTD,
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`SAMSUNG ELECTRONICS AMERICA, INC.,
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`SAMSUNG TELECOMMUNICATIONS AMERICA, LLC, and
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`SAMSUNG AUSTIN SEMICONDUCTOR, LLC;
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` Petitioner
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`REMBRANDT WIRELESS TECHNOLOGIES, LP
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` Patent Owner
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` Case No. IPR2014-00518
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` Patent 8,023,580
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` Videotape Oral Examination of:
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` DAVID GOODMAN, Ph.D.
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` Location: Pepper Hamilton LLP
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` New York Times Building
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` 37th Floor, Eighth Avenue
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` New York, New York 10018
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` Date: November 7, 2014
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` Time: 9:00 a.m.
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`Reported By:
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`Greg DiDonato, CSR, RPR, CP, CM, CRR
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`Videotape Deposition of:
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`Patent Owner, Rembrandt Wireless Technologies,
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`LP, pursuant to notice, held at the offices of
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`Pepper Hamilton LLP, The New York Times
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`Building, 37th Floor, Eighth Avenue, New York,
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`New York 10018, before Gregory DiDonato of
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`Merrill Corporation, a Notary Public and
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`A P P E A R A N C E S
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`On behalf of the Petitioner, Samsung:
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` JEFFREY A. MILLER, ESQUIRE
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` Dickstein Shapiro LLP
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` 1841 Page Mill Road, Suite 150
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` Palo Alto, CA 94304
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` millerj@dicksteinshapiro.com
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` DANIEL G. CARDY, ESQUIRE
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` Dickstein Shapiro LLP
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` 1825 Eye Street NW
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` Washington, DC 20006
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` cardy@dicksteinshapiro.com
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`On behalf of Patent Owner, Rembrandt Wireless:
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` THE VIDEOGRAPHER: This is the video
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`operator speaking, David Peloza, from Merrill
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`Legal Solutions. Today's date is November 7,
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`Wireless Tech versus Samsung Electronics
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` MR. HAIGHT: George Haight from
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`Pepper Hamilton on behalf of patent owner
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`Rembrandt Wireless. With me is Reza
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`Mollaaghababa and Andrew Schultz also from
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` MR. MILLER: Jeffrey Miller from
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`Dickstein Shapiro representing the Samsung
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`Petitioners, and with me is Daniel Cardy, also
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` THE VIDEOGRAPHER: Now swear the
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` THE REPORTER: Raise your right hand,
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` Do you solemnly swear that the
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`testimony you will give today will be the
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`truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the
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`truth, so help you God?
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` THE WITNESS: Yes.
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`WHEREUPON,
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` DAVID GOODMAN, Ph.D., called as a
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`witness, and having been first duly sworn, was
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`examined and testified as follows:
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`EXAMINATION BY COUNSEL FOR PATENT OWNER,
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`REMBRANDT WIRELESS TECHNOLOGIES, LP
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`BY MR. HAIGHT:
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` Q. Dr. Goodman, good morning.
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` A. Good morning.
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` Q. Thank you for being here. My name is
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`George Haight. I work at the law firm of
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`Pepper Hamilton. I represent Rembrandt
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`Wireless in this proceeding.
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` Have you ever been deposed before,
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` Q. When was the last time you had your
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` THE REPORTER: Exhibit 1. Exhibit 2.
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` MR. MILLER: Counsel, can you tell me
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` MR. HAIGHT: The Notice of Deposition
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` MR. MILLER: Thank you.
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`BY MR. HAIGHT:
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` Q. In the 518 and 519 IPR proceedings?
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` (Exhibit-3, Declaration of David
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` THE REPORTER: Exhibit 3. Exhibit 4.
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`BY MR. HAIGHT:
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`Exhibit 3, do you recognize that document?
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` Q. What is that Exhibit 3?
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` Q. This is the declaration you submitted
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` Q. And if you could turn to Exhibit 4.
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` Q. What is that document?
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` A. Yes; that's my CV, my resume.
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` Q. If you could turn to, I guess, back
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` A. It was definitely technical.
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` Q. Definitely technical?
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` A. Yes.
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` Q. In what way was it technical?
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` THE WITNESS: Do you plan to
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` MR. HAIGHT: Yes. I can do it now,
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`If that would help you.
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` THE WITNESS: It has to do with two
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` MR. HAIGHT: Sure.
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` Mark this as Exhibit-5.
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` (Exhibit-5, U.S. Patent 8,023,580, 19
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` THE REPORTER: Exhibit 5.
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` THE WITNESS: Thank you.
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`BY MR. HAIGHT:
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` Q. Do you recognize what's been handed
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` A. Yes.
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` Q. What is that?
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`Using At Least Two Modulation Methods," the
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` A. Yes. Sorry. There's one word in 230
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`paragraphs.
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` Q. I understand.
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` Q. It's a needle in a haystack, I'm
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` A. Yeah. I'm sorry about that.
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` Q. Did the patent help you at all find
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` A. I thought it did, but...
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` Yeah. I think one of the places is,
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`I think, paragraph 258. That's on page 57.
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`It's 57 of 518. Sorry.
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` Q. That's exhibit?
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` A. Exhibit 3.
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` Q. And what was the error there?
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` A. If you look at -- well, so that the
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`error was that, it says that station 22 can
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` And there's another claim, I found
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`claim 77 when I looked at the patent. And
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`limitation that says the same thing, and I
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`guess I cut and pasted my explanation from one
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` Q. Okay. We can move on, if you don't
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` Q. Now, just circling back on the
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` Q. When you're encoding a signal, you're
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` Q. So, would it be correct to say that
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` MR. MILLER: Objection; form.
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