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`IPR2014-00452, Paper No. 30
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`RECORD OF ORAL HEARING
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`BEFORE THE PATENT TRIAL AND APPEAL BOARD
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`GOOGLE INC., MOTOROLA MOBILITY LLC and
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`SAMSUNG ELECTRONICS CO., LTD.,
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`Case No. IPR2014-00452 (Patent 6,323,853)
`Technology Center 2100
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`Oral Hearing Held on Tuesday, April 21, 2015
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`Before: MICHAEL R. ZECHER, NEIL T. POWELL, and KEVIN
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`The above-entitled matter came on for hearing on Tuesday, April 21,
`2015, at 2:08 p.m., in Hearing Room A, taken at the U.S. Patent and
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`APPEARANCES:
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`ON BEHALF OF PETITIONERS GOOGLE INC.
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`and MOTOROLA MOBILITY LLC:
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`MATTHEW A. SMITH, ESQ.
`ROBERT J. KENT, ESQ.
`Turner Boyd LLP
`702 Marshall Street, Suite 640
`Redwood City, California 94063
`650-521-5930
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`ON BEHALF OF PETITIONER SAMSUNG
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`ELECTRONICS CO., LTD.:
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`ANDREA G. REISTER, ESQ.
`Covington & Burling LLP
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`ON BEHALF OF THE PATENT OWNER:
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`BRUCE D. SUNSTEIN, ESQ.
`ROBERT M. ASHER, ESQ.
`DOROTHY WU CHIANG, ESQ.
`Sunstein Kann Murphy & Timbers LLP
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`J UDGE P OWELL : Oka y. I s ev er ybo d y r e ad y?
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`Wi t h th at th en we wi ll b egin the hea r ing for I P R2014 -004 52 ,
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`a nd we wil l st ar t a s l ast ti me wi th P e titi one r .
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`M R . SM I TH: Tha nk yo u , You r Hono r . Ma tth e w
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`S mi t h , Tu rn e r Boyd , f o r th e Pe titi on er s Goog le and M oto rol a
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`M obil it y. I th ink I woul d lik e to re se rv e about 10 mi n ut es of
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`t i me f or r ebut tal , i f th at 's oka y.
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`M a y i t pl e ase th e B oa rd , le t me g et rig ht to what I
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`vi e w as th e ce nt ra l is sue he r e . Are ndi h as t wo a ppro ac hes to
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`c l ai m c on st ruc tion t ha t it us es , I thin k , to ma k e a singl e
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`c r itiqu e o f th e Good hand r e fe re nc e .
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`Th e fi rst app ro ach t o c lai m c o ns tru cti on d eal s with
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`th e an al yz ing l i mi tat ion , wh ich in th e o rig ina l r e ads a na l yz ing
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`th e do cu me n t to d et er mi n e i f fi rst in fo r ma t ion i s cont ai ned
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`th e re in . So it is a t est fo r th e p rese nc e o f fi rst i nfo rma t i on ,
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`wh ich is not fu rthe r q ua li fie d as cla i m l a ngu age as be ing
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`in fo r ma t ion o f any p a r ti cul a r t yp e .
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`Ar e ndi wou ld li ke to cons tru e th at to me a n
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`a na l yz ing t he d ocu me n t to d et e r mi n e o r to d istin guish fi rs t
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`in fo r ma t ion fr o m ot he r in fo r ma t ion, ot he r t ext in th e
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`do cu me n t , a nd a t t i me s in th e P at ent Owne r re sponse Ar end i
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`s ee ms t o a rgu e t ha t th at li mi t ation sh o uld b e const rue d to
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`c ont a ct in fo r ma t ion f ro m o th er t ype s o f c ont ac t in for ma t i on o r
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`ot he r t ext in th e do cu me n t .
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`And , of cou rs e , th e s eco nd a ppr oac h to cl ai m
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`c onst ru ct ion is the a rgu me n t th at th er e s hould b e a n eg ativ e
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`l i mi ta tion i n th e c l ai ms th at ef f ec tiv el y e x clu des wh at Are ndi
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`c a lls us e r s el ect ion pri or to th e ana l yz ing ste p in any s ys t e m
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`th at mi g ht b e a sse r ted as p ri or a rt .
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`And th ese t wo cons tr uct ions a re i nt e rt win ed i n th e
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`s ens e th at I th ink Ar e ndi i s sa yi ng i f a pr io r a rt s ys te m o r i f
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`a n a c cus ed in f ringi ng s ys te m i s ana l yz ing the tex t ac co rd ing
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`to th e an al yz in g st ep , t hat it is lik el y n ot us ing us e r s el ec tion ,
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`a nd vi c e v ers a , i f i t is us ing us e r se l ect ion t hen it is l ike l y not
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`a na l yz ing t he t ext .
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`Th e cen tr al c riti qu e th at Ar endi ma k es o f th e
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`Goo dha nd r e fe r enc e as I s ee it is the fo llo wing: In th e
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`Goo dha nd r e fe r enc e the use r i s t yping thing s int o an a dd re ss
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`f i eld in an e - ma il f o r m, s o a "to " fie ld , a c c fi eld , a b cc fi eld ,
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`so me t hi ng lik e th a t .
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`And th e Goodh and s ys t e m t ak es wh at i s in th e
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`a dd re ss f ie ld - - and als o I think with th e und er sta ndin g , to b e
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`f a ir , tha t wh at is in th e ad dr ess fi eld is in ten ded to in s o me
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`wa y b e c onne ct ed to a re cip ie nt o f th e e - ma i l , s o I thi nk
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`Ar e ndi 's ar gu me nt is th at t he Go odh and s ys t e m i s t aki ng th e
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`in fo r ma t ion t hat it g et s f ro m t h e t ext , be ing th e add re ss fi eld ,
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`us ing th at as a c rut ch in th e a nal ys is pr oc ess . An d th at cr utc h
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`th at is b eing u sed in th e a n al ys is pr oc es s is i ndi cat iv e o f
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`so me t hi ng lik e s el e ction .
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`Ok a y. And this is I th ink exp res sed t o so me e xt ent
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`in th e cl ai m c o nstr uc tion tha t Ar endi puts fo r ward fo r th e
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`c o mb in atio n of a si ngl e e nt r y in t he an al yz i ng st ep , wh ich is
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`f ound , as s ho wn on the sc r een ri ght no w, p age 19 of th e
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`P a ten t Own er 's r esp ons e , whe r e Are ndi a rgu es th at th e sin gl e
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`e nt r y a nd ana l yz ing ste ps me a n exa mi n ing the doc ume n t to
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`di stin guish the pre se nc e o f f ir st in fo r ma t ion fr o m o th er te xt in
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`a pr oc ess tr igg er ed b y a s ingl e ent ry o f th e ex ecu te co mma n d
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`th at is in cons ist ent with the u se r se l ect ion o f th e t ext be ing
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`a na l yz ed .
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`S o wh at I und e rsta nd Are ndi to be a skin g you t o
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`do is to d ivid e the wo rld in to s ys tems t h at l ook mo re lik e
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`a na l ysi s an d s yste ms t h at loo k mor e lik e s ele ct ion a nd to put
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`th e Go odha nd re fe r en ce on th e s ele c tion s ide , and th e '853
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`p at ent and Ar endi s ys t e m mo r e o n th e a na l ysis sid e .
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`We , o f cou rs e , dis ag re e wi th th at . We t hi nk th at i s
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`c o mp le te l y in co rre c t , f irs t o f al l , fo r th e re ason of cl ai m
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`c onst ru ct ion whi ch w e b ri ef ed , I thin k ex te nsiv el y, i n o ur
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`r ep l y. B ut ju st to su mma r i z e , Ar endi 's con st ruc tion s I thi nk
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`a r e di vor c ed fro m th e ac tua l l angu ag e o f th e c la i ms .
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`Th e ana l yz ing l imi t a tio n is a st ep in a co mp r ising
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`lo ng a s it i ndi ca te s th e p re sen c e of f ir st in fo r ma t ion i n th e
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`do cu me n t . Th er e is no res tr ic tion th at would ex clude
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`s el ec tion in th e lit e ral la ngu age of th e cl ai ms , no re aso n with
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`th e l it er al l ang uag e o f th e c la i ms th at yo u co uldn 't do
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`s el ec tion and an al yz i ng .
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`B ut ev en b e yond th at the c as e ma y b e a lit tle bit
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`si mp l e r b ec aus e we sub mi t th at the Goodh and r ef e re nc e wo uld
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`r en de r cl ai m 1 obvi ous eve n i f we a r e op e ra ting u nde r the
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`c l ai m c on st ruc tion re gi me t ha t Ar end i ha s o ff e red you . And
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`th at 's be ca us e th e Goo dha nd r e fe r en ce is do ing b asic a ll y
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`e xa ct l y wh at th e '85 3 pa ten t do es in t e r ms of an al ys is .
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`And so i f you a re, in f ac t , be ing ask ed to divid e
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`th e wo rld into r efe r en ce s th at ar e mo r e s el e ction -l ik e a nd
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`r e f er en ce s th at are mo r e a nal ys is -lik e , yo u a r e going t o ha ve a
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`v er y h a rd ti me , I th ink , d r a wing tha t li ne in a wa y wh er e
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`Ar e ndi 's o wn s yste m a n d the Goodh and re f er en c e f al l on
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`di f fe r ent s id es o f th at lin e .
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`I woul d lik e to tak e a look at t wo pi e ce s to th at
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`a na l ysi s . Th e fi rst is wh at do es t he ' 853 p at ent s a y a bout th e
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`di f fe r en ce b et we en s el e ction and an al ys is in the docu me n t ,
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`a nd th en wh at doe s th e Goo dha nd r e f er en ce sa y a bout th at?
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`R ob , I wond e r i f yo u co uld pu ll up, f i rst o f all , t he '85 3
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`th e '853 pa ten t says a bo ut th e di f fer en c e b et ween se le c tion
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`a nd ana l ysi s , f irst o f all at a b ro ad l ev el i t do esn 't te ll yo u
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`ho w to di sting uish s el e ction f ro m a na l ysi s . And tha t 's si mp l y
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`b ec aus e t he '85 3 p at ent , as th at pate nt was o rig ina lly
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`c on ce ive d , in clude s s el ec tion wi thin t he s cop e o f th e
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`in ven tion , and tha t was so me t hin g th e Bo ard ci ted to i n th e
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`in stit utio n de cis ion , at col u mn 1 0 , l ine s 5 to 9 .
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`Wh a t th e '853 pa te nt ac tua ll y s a ys is se le cti on c an
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`b e p ar t of th e inve nti on . And , o f cou rs e , we se e p ate nts in th e
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`s a me Ar e ndi fa mi l y l ik e th e '356 pa t ent th at was just a rgu ed
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`in th e pr io r he a ring , in I P R201 4 -004 50 , wh er e th e cl ai ms
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`e xp re ssl y r e qui red t he u se r to se lec t in fo r ma t ion a nd t ha t' s
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`wh at i s l ate r u sed in Ar endi ' s pr oc ess .
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`S o th e re wasn 't a lo t o f thou ght gi ve n a t th e
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`o rig ina l d ra fti ng o f th e p at ent . It ma k e s s en se t ha t th e re
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`wa sn 't a lo t of thou ght gi ven as to wh at t he d isti nc tio n
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`b et wee n se le ct ion a nd ana l ysi s mi ght be .
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`You mi g ht b e a ble to go to th e '853 p at ent 's
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`di scu ssio n of what an al ys is is and se e whet he r th e p rio r ar t
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`lo oks l ike tha t o r no t . And th at 's fou nd in colu mn 4. R ob , i f
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`a bout lin e 29 down to th e e nd o f th at p a rag r aph .
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`And wha t th e ' 853 p at ent te lls yo u a bout th e
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`a na l ysi s th at cor re spon ds to t he ana l yz ing ste ps o f th e c la i m i s
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`h er e f ro m a bou t lin e 29 to li ne 3 7 , wh e re yo u s ee t he R o ma n
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`nu me r a l I , II , I II , I V a nd V, ind ic at ing th ings t ha t on e c ould
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`us e in th e an al ys is p ro c ess . Th is do esn 't a ctu all y t e ll yo u ho w
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`to do th e ana l ysis. I t is lik e a r ec ip e f or bak ing b rea d wit h
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`ju st th e in gr edi ents but wi thou t th e st ep s . Bu t I think yo u c a n
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`s ee ho w so me o f th es e th ings wo uld b e us ed .
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`S o , for ex a mp l e , R o ma n n u me r al II I , whi ch st a rts
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`a t li ne 3 4 , sa ys you c an us e th ings l ike M r . or M rs . , si r ,
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`ma d a m, d e sign ator s and abb rev ia tion s . Wha t I u nder st and
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`th at to me a n is tha t th e Are ndi s ys te m wo u l d l ook thr ough a
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`do cu me n t so rt o f c ha r ac te r -b y- c ha ra c te r . And o nc e it run s
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`in to M - r -pe rio d - sp ac e , i t is go ing to assu me t h at wha t follo ws
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`th at is a na me .
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`S o in e ff e ct th e na me i n the doc u me nt i s ma r ked
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`b y t he se fou r char a ct e rs . And u nfo rtun at el y t his d oe sn 't t el l
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`yo u a l ot about the di ff e re nc e b et we en se le cti on a nd a na l ysi s
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`b ec aus e all o f t hes e ma r k er s th at cou ld b e fo und in th e
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`do cu me n t , for exa mp l e , a Zi p Co de ma r k ing an addr e ss ,
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`in co rpo r at ed ma r ki ng a co mp a n y na me , M r . o r Mrs . ma r k i ng a
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`p er son 's n a me , a r e a ll inp ut th at i s p rovi ded b y th e us e r
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`a tt ac hed to a na me to ma r k t he n ame t h a t a llo ws the Ar end i
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`S o you a re al wa ys g oing t o be oper a ting i n a
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`e f f ec t , to th e an alys i s s ys te m t h at al lo ws th e an al ysis s ys t e m
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`to id enti f y i nfo rma t i on i n th e do cu me n t .
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`Tu rni ng to t he Goo dhan d r e fe r ence , yo u will s e e
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`th e Go odha nd re fe r en ce is act ua ll y v er y s i mi l a r . I won de r i f
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`yo u co uld b ring up Go odh a nd at figu r e 6 . Thi s is t he pr i ma r y
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`e mb o di me n t o f Goo dhan d th at we re li ed on in th e p et ition fo r
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`me e t i ng th e a na l yz ing cl ai m.
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`We a l so re lie d on th e ob vious nes s o f c he cki ng
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`wh eth e r th er e i s an y i nf or ma t ion at a ll i n th es e box es . But
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`yo u se e th e add ress fi eld s . I n f igur e 6 - A - - I wond er i f you
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`c ould blo w t hat up just a li ttl e bit , R ob , i t is ki nd o f h ar d to
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`s ee - - th e us e r has ent e red , I t hink , 26 ch ar a ct er s th er e , "bil lb;
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`Th e Goo dha nd s yst e m t a ke s thi s blo ck o f t ext and
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`op e ra tes on it to c o me up with s e ar ch te r ms th at it th en
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`s ea r ch es in a conta c t da tab as e . And yo u c an s e e in fig ur e 6 -B
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`th at the Goodh and s ys t e m, i n f a ct , c ha nge d P att e rson t o Ro ge r
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`P a tt ers on , "s m h e n r y" to Henr y S mi th , a nd f ai led to id en tif y
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`a nd " pa tte rso n" in o rd e r to id en tify t h e fi rst in for ma tio n th at
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`i t la te r us ed to s ea r ch t he cont a ct da t aba se .
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`s e mi c olon as a del i mi te r . Righ t? B ut t e chnol ogi ca ll y a nd in
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`p rin cip le the r e is a bsol ut el y no dif fe r en ce bet we en doi ng th at
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`a nd do ing wh at th e '853 p at ent doe s .
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`I n oth e r wo rds , wh eth e r we ma r k a n a me wi th
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`sp a ce a ft er t he n ame , t h e r e is re al ly n o di ff e ren c e . Th e us e r
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`is ulti ma t e l y p rovid ing t ext . Tha t te xt p rov ide s hints t o th e
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`so ft wa re s yst e m t h at us es tha t to i de nti f y c ont a ct in fo r ma t ion .
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`B ut , i n f a ct , th e Goo dha nd s ys te m do es ev en mo r e
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`th an tha t . As we e xpl ain ed , on page 25 o f th e p eti tion the r e is
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`a lso a ni ckn a me se a r ch goi ng on . Th e ni ckn a me s e ar ch
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`e f f ec tiv el y d istingu ish es b et ween n a me s ent e red into t he "to "
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`l ine he re .
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`S o , for ex a mp l e , wh en t he Go odh and s yst e m
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`id en tif ie s "p att e rso n" as a unit to b e s ea r che d , it wil l fi rs t
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`c he ck the nic kname l i st . And i f "p att e rson " is al rea d y in th e
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`ni ckn a me l ist it ca n do t he r esolu tion dir e ctl y. I f "pa tt er son "
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`is not i n th e ni ckn a me l ist , t hen it go es t hr ough th e f ull
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`s ea r chin g pr oc ess in th e co nta ct dat ab as e .
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`Th at i s , in ef f ec t , di stin guish ing be t ween di ff e ren t
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`to wha t is i n co lumn 4 , R o ma n n umb e r V, o f Are ndi 's '8 53
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`p at ent , t he s e ar chin g of na me s in a n a me d at ab ase .
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`B e yo nd th at , the Goo dha nd s ys te m is al so
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`di stin guish ing b et we en n a me s and e - ma i l add re sse s . I f yo u
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`c ould go to column 2 0 , app roxi ma t el y l ine 12 , a nd ju st
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`hi ghlig ht th e p a rag ra ph , o r e xpa nd th e p a rag r aph t hat b eg ins
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`a t li ne 1 2 .
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`S o for th e r ec or d , we ' r e in the Goodh and
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`r e f er en ce , co lu mn 2 0 , l in e 12 . And t his was cit ed in o ur
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`r ep l y. Th e Goodh and re f er en c e is a c tua ll y a n al yz ing t he tex t
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`in th e ad dr ess fi eld to di sting uish b et wee n na me s a nd ful l y
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`f o r ma tt ed Int e rnet e - ma il add r ess es . An d th at ma k es a lo t of
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`s ens e in the Goodh and re f er en c e bec au se Goodh and is at h e ar t
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`a n e - ma i l add res s r e solut ion s ys t em.
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`S o it is b as ed on th e p rin cip le tha t th e us e r is
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`b ett e r ab le to re me mb e r a pe rson 's n a me o r eve n po rt ions o f a
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`p er son 's n a me t han t o ge t th e e xa ct f o r ma t o f an e - ma il
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`a dd re ss r ight whic h is r eq ui r ed to a c tua ll y s end the e - ma i l .
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`S o i f th e us e r , inst e ad o f en te rin g a n a me , e nt er s a
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`f ull y q u ali fi ed e -ma i l a ddr es s , it ma k e s s en se t ha t th e
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`Goo dha nd s ys te m r e cogn iz es and tre a ts th at d if f er entl y. An d
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`xx xxx@ yyyyy. z z z . co m, s o th at is r e cogn iz ing th e fo r ma t of
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`p at ent s a ys to do th e an al ysi s in colu mn 4 , and the n t r eat ing i t
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`di f fe r entl y.
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`B ob , I wond e r i f yo u co uld go b a ck t o th e '853
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`p at ent and go to fig ur e 1 - A. And jus t ex pan d th e top o f th at
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`st a rti ng a t box 2 do wn to bo x 10 .
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`Wh a t I ' m a bou t to s ho w you is how Goo dha nd is ,
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`in f ac t , c a rr yi ng ou t a ll o f th e st eps o f t he l ogi ca l f lo w
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`di ag r a m i n thi s pa r t of fi gur e 1 - A. I t st a rts o f f a t th e top with
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`th e us e r hi tting a bu tton in th e wo rd p ro ce sso r , th e equ iva le nt
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`to th at , whi ch i s no t disp ut ed , in Goo dha nd is cli cki ng th e
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`s end b utton or the ch e ck n a me s b ut ton .
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`Th at t ri gge rs an an al ys is p ro ces s in bo x 4 , whi ch
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`l e ads to the que stio n in bo x 6 , wh at d at a di d we fin d. And
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`yo u c an s ee fo ur b ra nch es going o ff o f this , th re e o f th e m i n
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`f igu r e 1 - A. One bo x st ra ight b elow bo x 6 is b ox 12. Th at 's
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`wh e re yo u f ound a na me o r so me t hin g si mi l a r . You lo ok up
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`th e n a me i n th e da t aba se . That 's th e e xa mp l e we just cov e re d
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`in Goodh and with f igu r e 6 .
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`Ano the r b r anc h go es to box 10 . Th at 's wh e re one
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`h as found an e - ma il add re ss o r some o t he r mi s c ell an eous t yp e
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`o f c ont ac t in fo r ma tio n an d th en t ak es an a pp rop ria te a cti on .
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`And th at 's wh at we jus t look ed at in c o lu mn 20 , li ne 12 , o f
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`Goo dha nd , wh er e Goo dha nd dis tingu ish es an e - ma i l a dd re ss
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`f r o m a n a me , whic h me e ts Ar endi 's n ar ro wes t fo r m o f its
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`c ont a ct in fo r ma t ion , and tak es s o me ap pro pr ia te ac tion as
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`e xpl ain ed i n co lumn 2 0 , l ine 12 , in th is cas e no t going
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`th rou gh wit h th e r e solut ion p ro ce ss .
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`Goo dha nd , in f act, a lso p e rf or ms t he br an ch t hat
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`l e ads to box 8 , whi ch is so me t hing we e xpl ain ed in th e
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`o rig ina l pe tit ion , th at Goodh and eith er did o r ren de re d
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`t ri v ia ll y ob vious . And th at 's wh ere Goodh and or the so ft war e
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`s ys t e m t hat we ' re t alk ing about fi nds nothi ng to int er p ret or
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`so me t hi ng th at i s si mp l y n ot int er pr e tab le .
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`And th er eupo n tha t findi ng , th e re is a me s sag e
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`gi ven , be c aus e you ca n' t c a rr y o ut th e a na l ysis if yo u do n' t
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`h av e an yt hin g to c a r r y out . As we e xpl ain ed i n th e p eti tion at
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`p ag e 21 and p ag es 2 4 an d 25 , it was o bviou s to do th at wi th
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`th e Go odha nd s yst e m b e c aus e on ce, a ga in , th e Goo dh and
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`s ys t e m i s an e - ma i l ad dr ess r esolu tio n s yst e m. An d i f th e r e is
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`no thing in th e add re ss box es , yo u c an ' t do th e e - ma i l add r ess
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`r e solut ion .
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`S o th e v er y f i rs t st ep tha t woul d ha ve oc cu rr ed to
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`a n ybod y o f or dina r y s kil l in t he a rt is c he ckin g th e a dd re ss
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`bo xes to ma k e sur e tha t th er e i s a ctu al l y so me t hing th e re to
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`op e ra te o n .
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`S o th e Goo dha nd s ys t e m i s a ctu al ly c a r r yi n g out
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`a ll o f th es e st eps th at we s e e in figu re 1 - A. The st ep t ha t go es
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`o f f to figu r e 1 - B is id enti f yi ng a na me a n d an ad dr ess
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`th at Goodh and i s f oll o wing this l ogi c al flo w d iag r am i n all
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`th r ee of its b r anch es , and th e fa ct th at this is a ctu all y t h e
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`di sput ed p a rt o f th e c as e , I thi nk ind ic at es th at Goodh and is
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`do ing th e s a me k ind s of an al ys is tha t th e '853 pat en t is doing
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`a nd wou ld me e t and r en d er cl ai m 1 ob vious ev en und er th e
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`c l ai m c on st ruc tions tha t Arend i it se l f is pu ttin g fo rwa r d .
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`J UDGE P OWELL : Is t he r e an a rgume n t - - well ,
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`th e re is an a rgu me nt o f so me s o rt , bu t would th er e be me r i t t o
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`a n a rgu me n t t ha t th e ex a mp les yo u ju st di scu sse d we r e
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`e xc lud ed fro m t he c lai ms , t ha t th e p ros e cutio n his to r y
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`n ar ro wed the cl aims s u ch th at the y wou ld not r ea d on t hes e
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`e xa mp l es whi ch app e ar so me wh at si mi l a r to t he Goodh and
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`r e f er en ce , and if we d eci de tha t the pr os ecu tion h isto r y do es
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`n ar ro w th e cl ai ms to ex c lu de t hos e e xa mp l es tha t you ar e
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`t alk ing about , whe r e do es t ha t - - wh er e do we g o f rom t h er e?
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`M R . SM I TH: R igh t . I think yo u a r e righ t th at
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`th e re is th at a rgume n t be ing ma d e . I thi nk wh at th e a rg u me nt
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`r ed uc es t o is t hat th e o rig ina l c la i m l angu ag e t alk s abo ut
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`a na l yz ing i n its br oa de st f or m. R i gh t? An y f or m o f an al ys is
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`c l ai m.
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`S o th rou gh th e c la i m c on st ruc tion p ro ce ss th e re i s
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`l ike sel e ctio n , the n it 's not go ing to me e t the sco pe o f th e
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`c l ai ms , whi ch I thi nk is the que stion yo u ar e a sking. R igh t?
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`Wh a t I ' m s a yi ng is t ha t it i s ve r y, ve r y d i ff icu lt to
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`d ra w th e lin e b et we e n whe r e th at c l a w -b a ck st ops and whe r e
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`a na l ysi s st ar ts , you kno w, wh at i s th e d if f er en ce b etwe e n
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`s el ec tion and an al ys is? I t 's v er y d i f fi cult to d ra w th at l ine
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`S o l ea ve asi de , for ex a mp l e , th e h ypo the ti ca l
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`qu est ion o f wh e re s el ec tion stops and use r an al ysi s st a rts .
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`Wh e r ev e r th at li ne is , Go odh and 's s ys t e m i s doin g thi ngs th at
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`un qua li fie dl y a r e a na l ysi s in th e '853 pat en t s yst e m a nd ,
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`in de ed , i f ana l ysis t r ad es o ff wi th s el ec tion , yo u c an 't d o on e
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`a nd th e o the r at th e s a me ti me , t h en t he Goodh and sys t e m h a s
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`to be d oing an al ysi s .
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`S o you as the Boa rd I d on 't th ink h av e to d e cid e
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`e xa ct l y wh er e th at lin e is ev en i f you ado pt Aren di 's
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`J UDGE ZEC HER: Along t he s a me l ine s , jus t to
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`I n th e cont ext o f a ppl yi ng th e b ro ad est r eas ona bl e
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`in te rp r eta tion in th es e p roc e eding s , do yo u th ink we n ee d to
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`c onsi de r th at and th en , if s o , do you t hink tha t wha t h as b ee n
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`do ne i n th e p ros ec uti on his tor y r i se s to a cle a r , un mis ta kab le
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`di sav o wa l of sub je c t ma tt e r?
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`M R . SM I TH: S o , You r Ho nor , le t me a d d r ess th at
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`b ac k wa rds , if yo u wi ll , fi rst o f all on the pa rti cu la r di sav o wa l
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`a nd th en o n th e br oa de r l eg al qu est ion o f wh eth er BR I
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`st and a rd in co rpo ra t es dis cl ai me r .
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`On the spe ci fi c dis avo wal , as I unde r sta nd it ,
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`Ar e ndi i s onl y a r gu ing th at what wa s exc lud ed was s el ec tion .
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`And we s a w i n the Tso re f er en c e , wh ich was the r efe r en ce tha t
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`wa s di scu sse d in th e p rio r h e ari ng , a long with t he '356 pat en t ,
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`a nd als o the r ef e re nc e ov e r whi ch Ar e ndi a me nd ed a nd
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`di stin guish ed i n th e p ros ec ution hist or y, t h e se le ct ion tha t is
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`go ing on is wh at e ve r yb od y un de rst ands , ev e r y c o mpu te r us e r
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`un de rst and s to b e s el ec tion , a ctu ally c l i cki ng a nd d ra ggin g th e
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`Ar e ndi i s in ef f ect tak ing th at word s el ec tion and
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`e xp andin g it t o inc or po rat e an y p rovi sion o f d at a b y th e us e r
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`to th e so ft war e s yst e m t h at t he s of twa r e s ys t e m c a n us e . So I
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`And I t hink wh at s el ec tion a ctu all y me a nt is wh at
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`th e y we r e d oing in Tso , whi ch was, yo u kno w, cli ckin g an d
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`d ra gging , wha t eve r yb od y u nde rs tand s to b e s el ect ion , n ot th e
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`ki nds o f th ings t ha t wer e b eing done in t he '85 3 pa tent .
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`I a lso th ink on the se con d qu esti on, we ll , the
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`c l ea r di sav o wal , th e c our t in Rhod e I sl and foun d th at th e re
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`wa s a cl e ar dis avo wal o f su b je ct ma tt er . To m e th e qu est ion
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`mo r e i s wha t we re yo u d isa vo wing?
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`r e c eiv ed a r e jec tion ove r th e Ts o re f e ren c e , d ra ft ed c l ai m
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`l angu ag e to o ve r co me t ha t , a nd now s a ys tha t th e c la i m
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`l angu ag e th e y d r af t ed is b ro ad er tha n t h e s cop e th e y in te nde d ,
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