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`IPR2014-00289, PAPER NO. 41
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`RECORD OF ORAL HEARING
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`BEFORE THE PATENT TRIAL AND APPEAL BOARD
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`TOYOTA MOTOR HORTH AMERICA, INC.,
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`Case No. IPR2014-00289
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`U.S. Patent No. 6,324,463
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`Oral Hearing Held on Tuesday, March 24, 2015
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`Before: JOSIAH C. COCKS, HYUN J. JUNG, and GEORGE R.
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`The above-entitled matter came on for hearing on Tuesday, March 24,
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`PAUL R. STEADMAN, ESQ.
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`MATTHEW D. SATCHWELL, ESQ.
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`STEVEN J. REYNOLDS, ESQ.
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`DLA Piper LLP (US)
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`203 North LaSalle Street, Suite 1900
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`JOHN R. KASHA, ESQ.
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`Kasha Law LLC
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`TIMOTHY M. SALMON, ESQ.
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`Cruise Control Technologies LLC
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`P R O C E E D I N G S
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`J UDGE C OC KS: Al l r ight . I f ev er yb od y i s re ad y
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`we wil l ge t st ar ted . We a r e no w on t he r eco rd .
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`Th is is the fou rt h o ra l a rgu me n t s ess ion fo r f ive
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`r e lat ed p ro c eed ings , al l invo lving U. S . P at ent 6 ,324, 46 3 . This
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`o ra l a rgu me n t s essi on inv olv es IP R20 14 - 00289 .
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`Le t 's b egi n b y h avi n g c ouns el i ntrod uc e
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`th e ms e lv es for the r e cor d , st ar ting wi th P et itio ne r .
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`M R . S TEADM AN: Good aft e rnoon, You r Ho nor .
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`M y n a me i s P aul S t ead ma n . I ' m w i th DLA Pip er .
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`Wi t h me is St ev e R e yn olds , and le ad coun sel is
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`M at th e w S at ch wel l . We ar e all f rom DLA P i p er and we
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`r ep r es ent t he P etit ion er .
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`J UDGE C OC KS: Al l r ight . Th ank yo u , M r .
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`S t ead ma n . And fo r th e Pa ten t Own er?
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`M R . KAS HA: Goo d a ft er noon , You r Hon or . M y
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`n a me i s John Kash a . I' m t h e l e ad c ouns el fo r Pat ent Owne r .
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`Wi t h me is M r . Ti mo th y S a l mo n f ro m C r u ise
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`C ont rol Te chno logi es , and h e wi ll b e a rgu ing t oda y.
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`J UDGE C OC KS: Al l r ight . Th ank yo u .
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`Al l r ight . As I t hin k a ll o f th e p ar ti es ar e no w
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`a wa r e , e a ch sid e h as up to 45 mi nut es . We wil l be gin with
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`P e titi one r , wh o ma y r e s e rve r ebut ta l ti me . T h e P at ent Owne r
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`wi ll th en g ive thei r p re sen ta tion , and the P eti tion e r wi ll
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`c on clud e wit h any t i me t h at the y h a ve r es erv ed .
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`S o you ma y t a k e th e po diu m a n d sta r t us o f f .
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`M R . S TEADM AN: Than k you , You r Hono r . As
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`di d th e p rio r P et it ion er coun sel , I wi ll res e rv e 15 min ut es .
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`J UDGE C OC KS: Ok a y. Th ank yo u .
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`M R . S TEADM AN: Give n th at th is is th e fo ur th
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`a rg u me nt in a row on this pa rti cula r p at ent , I a m g oin g to
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`st r ea ml i ne my p r e se nt ation and try n o t to r epe at thin gs th at
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`h av e be en s ai d bef o re .
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`J UDGE C OC KS: We l l , we wou ld a pp re ci at e th at .
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`M R . S TEADM AN: We wi ll s ee . In t his p eti tion
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`th e re we re fi ve g rou nds for pa ten tabi lit y. Two we r e f o r
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`a nti cip at ion and th re e we re fo r obvio usn ess co mb in at ions .
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`Ho wev er , th e a rgu me n ts as th e y we r e b ri ef ed d o
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`no t r e all y t r a ck t h e g round s or th e c l ai ms . M an y o f th e
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`a rg u me nt s co ve r mo r e t han one grou nd o r mo r e th an o ne
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`c l ai m, a nd so I ' m go ing to tr y t o g rou p th e a rgu me n ts t oge th er
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`th e ma t ic al l y in o rd er to di spe nse wi th th e m a s q ui ckl y a s
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`po ssibl e .
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`B eg inni ng with th e c o mb ina tion of e mb od i me nt s
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`a rg u me nt , whi ch o cc ur s in th e b ri ef ing o n g rounds A t hro ugh
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`C , an d we a re looki ng no w at Pe tit ion e r 's d e mon st ra tiv e -- I ' m
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`so r r y, P a ten t Own er ' s De mo ns tr at iv e Exh ibit 6 . The P at ent
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`c o mb in atio n of ele me n t s in th e Yosh i mi tsu r ef e ren ce its el f
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`b et wee n th e r e fe re nc e d isc ussio n of th e inv ent ion i n
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`Yos hi mi tsu and its o wn dis cus sion o f p rio r a rt .
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`And as n ot ed p revi ousl y t od a y, the pa te nt it sel f
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`l a ys o ut it s inv ent ion in the sa me wa y. I t di sc u sse s a nov el
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`di spl a y th at 's ad apt ed to a pri or a rt c ru is e co nt rol d evi c e .
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`Th e s a me a r gu me nt is su mma r i z e d on P at ent
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`Own e r' s d e mon st ra tiv e sl id e 6 , 7 and 9 . The P at ent Own e r
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`h er e i s ma kin g a mi s t ak e o f l a w. Th e Pa ten t Own er r e li es
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`p ri ma r i l y on Net M on e yI n v . Ve ri sig n , whi ch was a c as e wi th
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`p ar ti cul ar f ac ts .
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`I n th at ca se the IB M r ef e ren c e se t f o rth t wo
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`c o mp le te l y di f fe re nt me t hods fo r pr ot ec ting c red it ca rd
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`in fo r ma t ion . And t he F ede r al Ci rc uit ulti ma t e l y s aid yo u can ' t
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`c o mb in e st eps o f on e me t hod wi th st ep s of ano the r me t h od to
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`a nti cip at e th e cl ai ms o f a thi rd me th od .
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`B ut wh il e th at is th e l a w, i t ap pli es o nl y in ve r y
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`n ar ro w ci r cu ms t an ce s wh er e th e p rio r ar t r e fe r en ce la ys ou t
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`t wo co ntr ad ict or y o r di f fe r ent e mb od i me nt s an d ha s no
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`su gge stion of comb i n i ng th e m.
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`He r e th e mo r e i mpo rt ant la w co me s f ro m I n R e
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`P r ed a , whi ch was c it ed in our r eply b r i e f . In R e Pre da not es
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`th at it is pro pe r to t ak e ac coun t not o nl y o f th e sp e ci fi c
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`t e ach ings o f th e re f e ren c e , th at i s , th e ex act wor ds of th e
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`th e ar t woul d r e aso nab l y b e ex pe cte d to d r a w fro m t h e
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`r e f er en ce . And I th ink t hat has be en mu c h o f th e disc uss ion
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`to da y.
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`Wh e n we r e ad th es e re f er en ces we a r e no t look ing
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`f o r th e ex a ct , id ent ic al te r mi nol ogy f r o m t h e pat en t. R a the r ,
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`we a r e look ing t o s ee wha t th e r e fer en c e wil l t ea ch a p er son o f
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`sk ill i n th e a rt .
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`B oa rd as r ec entl y a s l at e l ast ye a r wh en i t publ ish ed P a pe r 46
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`in th e Gro upon v . B lu e C al yp so ma t te r . And tha t c as e l a ys
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`a r t .
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`I t s a ys: To a nti cip at e , a pri or a rt mu s t d is clos e
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`mo r e t han - - mu ltip le dist inc t t ea chi ngs th at the a rtis an mi gh t
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`so me h o w co mb ine to ac hie ve the cl ai me d inv ent ion , a nd cit es
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`Ne t Mon e yI n , but th en it not es tha t th e i den tit y o f
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`t e r mi nolog y i s not r equi r ed a nd th at the r ef e ren c e is to be r ead
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`f r o m t he p e rsp ec tiv e o f on e wi th or din a r y ski ll in the a rt .
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`Th e re f er en ce anti cip at es i f i t dis clos es the
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`c l ai me d inve ntion , s uch t ha t a skill ed ar tis an could t ak e its
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`t e ach ings i n co mbi na tion wi th hi s o wn kno wl edg e of th e
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`p ar ti cul ar a rt and b e in p oss essi on o f th e cla i me d i nv ent ion .
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`And it cit es th e ca se In R e Gr av es f r o m t he F ede r al C i rcu it .
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`Wi t h th at in mi n d, we c an l ook at ex ac t l y h o w th e
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`r e f er en ce s . And no w I ' m r e f e r ring to P at ent Own e r 's
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`e xa mp l e , fo r th e b ra king li mi t ations of cl ai m 1 8 , the pe tit ion
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`c it es on l y to Yoshi mi t su 's di sc ussion of p ri or a rt . And th en
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`th e y l a y o ut th e ba ck gro und in ven tio n pr io r a rt t ha t's l ai d out
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`in Yoshi mi t su .
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`Yos hi mi tsu , it st ar ts , as do es the pa t ent i tse lf , with a
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`di scu ssio n of the p rio r ar t an d th en a n inv en tion wh ic h is fo r
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`th e pu rpo se to p rov ide th e se t ve hic l e sp eed displ a y d evi c e fo r
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`th at c ruis e cont rol u nit .
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`S o th e in ven tion its el f go es thr ough t he p ri or a rt ,
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`th e pu rpo se o f t he inv ent ion , whi ch i s to i mp r ov e the pr io r a rt
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`a nd th e co mp osi tion of t he inv ention , wh ic h tog eth e r r e ad b y a
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`p er son o f sk ill i n th e ar t woul d be un de rst ood to b e a ll i n th e
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`s a me e mb o di me n t. Th is is exp lai ne d mo r e g en er ally a t t he
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`M c Na ma r a de cl a ra tio n , pa r ag rap h 45 .
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`d e mo nst r ativ es , in t he b ri e fing the P a ten t Own er ma d e th e
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`s a me a r gu me nt abou t th e Ya gih ashi r e f er en ce , th at the
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`Ya gih ash i r e fe r enc e s o me ho w i mp rop e rl y c o mb in ed
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`e mb o di me n ts .
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`Ho wev er , we s e e in Yag iha shi t hat Ya gih ash i
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`e xpl ici tl y e xpl ains t ha t th e va ri ous e mb o di me n ts ar e to be
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`p eti tion and t ha t's f ro m t he el ev enth e mb odi me n t , but
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`Ya gih ash i its el f exp la ins th at fig ure 22 is to co mb ine an d
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`bl ock th e fi rs t e mbo di me nt , th e f irst thr ough s ev enth
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`e mb o di me n t , a nd th e n inth and t enth e mb odi me n ts , so
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`Ya gih ash i its el f ant ic ipa te s th e comb i n ati on o f va riou s
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`e mb o di me n ts th at h e is exp lai ning .
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`As a si de n ote , Ya gih ash i al so e xpl ain s th at th e
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`b ac kgr ound auto sp e ed c ont rol d evi c e is o r could be, f o r
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`e xa mp l e , t he Mitsu bishi Dia ma n t e l aun ch ed in 1 995. S o li ke
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`th e o the r re f er en ce s th at we 'v e be en d isc ussi ng , Ya gih ash i
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`a ssu me s in t he b ac kg round tha t th er e is a c ruis e contr ol d evi c e
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`th at 's in th e p rio r a r t an d is s i mp l y bu ildi ng a d ispl ay o n top
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`o f th a t .
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`Th e n ext s et o f a rgu me n ts tha t I wou ld li ke t o
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`di scu ss re lat e sp ec i fic al l y to the Pa t ent Own e r' s ch al len ges to
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`Yos hi mi tsu in g rou nds A, and C , and D. Yoshi mi t su i nc lud es
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`a disp la y wh i ch in clud es the veh icl e 's ac tua l sp eed in a dig it al
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`di spl a y, h er e s h own in 31 , and th en b elo w a l ine of LEDs
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`wh ich sho w th e ve hi cl e' s s et sp ee d, a nd i t sp eci fi c all y n ot es in
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`th e t ext of the r efe r en ce tha t th e s et s pe ed o f th e cr uis e
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`c ont rol st ate is disp la ye d .
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`Th e Boa rd 's d e cisio n to i nsti tut e did a v er y g ood
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`jo b a t pa g es 10 and 11 o f su mma r i z ing this r ef e ren ce , an d we
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`3 , t he P at ent Owne r is focu se d on th e li mi t at ion in cl ai m 1 3 ,
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`a nd th is li mi t a tion app ea rs in s ever a l oth e r cl ai ms , di spl a yin g
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`to th e op er ato r a s ymb o l ind ic ativ e o f th e p re se t sp ee d . Th e
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`on l y e vid enc e i n th is cas e about ho w to r evi e w Yo shi mi t su
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`o cc ur s in th e McNa ma r a d e cl ar ation . And M c Na ma r a h ad no
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`p robl e m f i ndin g di sc losu re in Yoshi mi t su o f a ligh t
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`c or r esp o nding to th e p r ese t sp ee d th at re ma i ns d ispla ye d ev en
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`a f te r t e mp or a r y r e l eas e o f th e cru is e c ont rol b y b r aki ng a nd so
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`Yos hi mi tsu pro vid es th e s et v ehi cle sp eed . And th at 's
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`o f th e v ehi cl e s et sp e ed . And yo u c an se e fro m P a t ent
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`Own e r' s De mo n str a tiv e Exhi bit 4 th at t he i nt ende d ar gu me n t
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`is th at th e LED onl y s ho ws a s pe ed i n th e vi cini t y o f 80
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`ki lo me t e rs p er hou r a nd th at t ha t is no t th e a ctu al spe ed . The y
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`ma k e th e s a me a r gu me n t wi th reg ar d to cl ai m 2 on P a ten t
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`r an ge o f p ossib le s et v ehi cl e sp e eds and t he a ctu al ve hi cl e
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`sp e ed is in th e vic ini t y o f 80 ki lome t e r s p e r hou r . S o th e y
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`wou ld li ke t o r e ad i nto t he cl ai m t h at so me t hi ng h as t o dis pla y
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`th e ac tua l s et v ehi cl e sp ee d a t so me l eve l , so me a r bit r ar y l e vel
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`o f p ar ti cul ar it y.
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`Un fo rtun at el y, t he c lai m l a ngu ag e a t is sue is
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`di spl a yin g to th e op e ra tor a s ymb ol indi ca tiv e o f the pr es et
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`sp e ed . It do esn 't s a y a n yth ing about disp la yi ng th e a c tua l
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`p re se t sp eed to an y p a rti cul a r l ev el o f p r ec ision . And
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`wh ich a p er son o f sk ill i n th e a rt wou ld und e rst and , in di cat ing
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`I nt er es tingl y, a l tho ugh Pat en t Own er c rit ic iz es i t ,
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`Yos hi mi tsu use s a n e mb o di me n t tha t is ve r y s i mi la r to th e
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`on es s ho wn in the pa te nt . On t he l e ft -ha nd sid e is
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`Yos hi mi tsu 's e mb od i me nt .
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`On the rig ht si de is th e ' 463 p at ent, a nd th e '463
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`sh o w wh er e th e pr e set spe ed is .
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`c ov er an ar bit ra ril y l a rg e nu mb e r of s et sp ee ds but , o f c ou rse ,
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`in di cat iv e of the p re se t sp eed . Yosh i mi tsu u ses al mos t
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`e xa ct l y th e id ent ic a l te chn olog y.
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`I f the r e a r e no que sti ons about tha t a rg u me nt I wi ll
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`mo v e on to the next a rgu me n t b y t he P at ent Owne r . Th e
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`P a ten t Own er a rgu es th at Yoshi mi tsu f ails to di scl ose
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`a c c ele r atin g th e ve hi cl e to a sp ee d a bov e th e p re set sp e ed , a nd
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`th e y ma k e this s tra ng e a rgu me n t t ha t , altho ugh Yos hi mi t su
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`di sc los es th at t he a c tua l ve hi cle spe ed is hi ghe r th an th e s et
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`v ehi cl e sp ee d , tha t mi ght r ef e r , inst e ad o f r el at ing to t he
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`sp e eds t he ms e lv es o r t he a mo unt of sp ee d , to th e spa ti al
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`r e lat ions hip on the disp la y.
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`Th e cla i m l an guag e h er e is i mp or ta nt . An d if yo u
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`lo ok a t c la i m 25 is wh e re it co me s f r o m. C l ai m 2 5 is d ir e ct ed
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`to wha t th e dis play d o es when th e v ehi cl e is a cc el era t ed a bov e
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`th e p r ese t sp ee d . S o th e re is no p ar ti cul a r or de r to th es e
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`st ep s , but on c e the ve hi cle is ac ce le r at ed to a s pe ed a bov e th e
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`p re se t sp eed , th e di spl a y o f th e s ymb o l i s ma in ta ined wh il e
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`th e v ehi cl e is at a sp e ed a bov e th e p re se t sp eed .
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`Th at i s e xa ctl y h o w Yo shi mi t su wo rks . I f th e
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`sp e ed o f th e c a r is b elo w th e pr es et s pe ed , as sh o wn in fi gur e
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`3 o f th e p a t ent o n th e l e ft , th e b a rs, in di cat ing th e sp ee d dr op
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`do wn , an d th er e ar e so me un lit LEDs b et we en th e sp ee d sho wn
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`b y wh a t th e c a r is do ing and th e LED i ndi ca ting t he p re se t
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`sp e ed on t he rig ht .
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`Th e t ext , h o we ver , e xpl ains ex ac tly wh a t happ en s
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`i f th e v ehi c l e is ac c el e rat ed abov e th e p r ese t sp ee d . I f the
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`v ehi cl e is so me how a c c el er at ed abov e th e p re se t sp eed , t hen
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`th e s et v ehi cl e spe ed is di spl a ye d bl inkin g .
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`S o Yos hi mi tsu doe s d es cri be what h app ens wh en
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`th e v ehi cl e is a cce l er at ed to a sp e ed abov e th e p r ese t s pe ed ,
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`a nd i t me e ts th e cl ai m l i mi t at ion o f ma i nt ainin g th e di spl a y o f
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`th e s ymb o l ind ic at ive of t he p r es et sp e ed whi le the ve hi cl e is
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`a t a sp eed abo ve th e p r ese t sp ee d .
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`J UDGE C OC KS: C ouns el , just to c l ari f y, I ' m
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`so r r y, c ould yo u go ba ck on e sl id e?
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`M R . S TEADM AN: I can .
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`J UDGE C OC KS: Th e annot at ed v er sio n in figu r e
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`3 , wh at por tion of th e r e fe r en ce a re yo u re f er ri ng to th at
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`d es cr ibe s th e wo rds , I gu es s , in th at illus tr at ion?
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`M R . S TEADM AN: Wh e re the words in th e bo tto m
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`c o me f r o m, i s th at the que stion?
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`J UDGE C OC KS: Ye s , i f th at 's wha t you a re
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`r e l ying upon , bu t wh at I ' m r e a ll y a sk ing is wha t a r e yo u
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`r e l ying upon i n th e writt en d es c ript ion o f Yos hi mi tsu tha t is
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`a bl e to - - th at allo ws yo u to pro duc e tha t a lte r ed figu re 3 on
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`th e righ t o f th e slid e?
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`M R . S T EADM AN: So t he alt e re d fig ur e on the
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`r igh t ex pla ins ou r un de rst and ing o f ho w Yoshi mi t su wo rks .
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`And we ar e cit ing f r o m p ag e AM H 57 1 .
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`M R . S TEADM AN: That ' s co r re ct . I b eli eve th er e
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`a r e -- tha t 's th e pr in cip al ex ce rpt th at expl ain s ex a ct l y ho w
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`th e v ehi cl e di spl ay wo r k s whe n th e c a r is a cc el e ra ted abov e a
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`J UDGE C OC KS: I t do es . Th ank you .
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`c l ea r . Th e onl y r e co rd e vi den c e , ag ain , is th e d ec lar a tion o f
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`Da vid M c Na ma r a , a nd h e was r e adi l y a ble to und e rst and
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`e xa ct l y ho w t his wou ld wo rk fr o m th e d isc losu r e in th e
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`sp e ci fi cat ion o f Yos hi mi tsu .
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`Ok a y. P a ten t Own er ma k e s a n ad di tion al ar gu me nt
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`a bout cl ai m 2 7 , ch all eng ing wh ethe r Yoshi mi t su disc los es
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`wh eth e r th e sp eed cont ro lle r i s ope r ati ng to ma i nt ain t he
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`v ehi cl e a t th e c ruis ing sp e ed . And we ' r e no w looki ng at
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`P a ten t Own er 's Exh ibit 11 .
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`P a ten t Own er is app a ren tl y g oing to ar gue th at a
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`bl inkin g s et v ehic l e sp eed doe s not p rov id e in fo r ma t ion
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`r e fl e cting whe ther th e sp ee d co nt rol le r i s op er ati ng to
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`ma i n t ain th e v ehic l e at c ruis ing spe ed be c aus e blin kin g do es
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`no t ind ic at e on o r o f f .
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`I n th e fi rst p la ce , th is arg u me nt is no t co nsis ten t
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`wi th th e b ri ef ing . Th e Pa ten t Owne r 's a r gu me n t a ppe a r --
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`on pag e 13 o f i ts r e spons e b ri ef . Th at ar gu me nt was di f fe r ent
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`f r o m t his on e .
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`I n th e res pons e the P at ent Owne r argu ed t ha t
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`Yos hi mi tsu 's blinki ng ind ic ato r , wh en th e sp e ed was h i gh er
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`th an the set spe ed, bu t th at th e v ehic l e sp eed cou ld th en no t be
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`ma i n t ain ed si nc e th e sp e ed was high er th an th e s et sp ee d . In
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`ot he r wo rds , if it wa s bl inkin g , th en t he s pe ed was hig he r th an
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`th e s et s pe ed and so it was not ma i nt ai ning t he s et sp ee d .
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`Th at a rgu me n t ans we rs it s o wn qu est ion . If th e
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`v ehi cl e is n ot b eing ma i nt ain ed at th e s et s pe ed , ac co rdin g to
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`th e Pa te nt Own er , a nd th e s ymb o l is b link ing , th en th e s ymb ol
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`h as to be indi ca ting tha t th e c a r is no t be ing ma i nt ain ed at th e
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`s et s pe ed . Th e y h av e ap pa r entl y a b andon ed tha t a rgu me n t .
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`Th e n e w a rgu me n t , whic h is re fl e cte d on t his
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`Exh ibit 11 , is that b link ing can not in di cat e wh eth e r th e s ys t e m
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`is on o r o ff . But th is also h as to be wr ong . Th e re is n othin g
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`to sugg est tha t the LED in Yoshi mi tsu wi ll bl ink i f th e s ys t e m
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`is of f . Th e LED on l y bl inks i f th e s ys t e m i s on , and t ha t is
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`ho w a p e rson o f ski ll in th e a rt woul d und er st and tha t
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`bl inkin g .
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`I f b y on and o f f th e Pat en t Owne r r e all y me a n s s et
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`o r uns et , the n th e e vid en ce on thi s po int i s in th e Mc Na ma r a
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`d ec la r atio n at pa ra gr aph 47 a nd it is u nr ebu tte d .
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`I f the r e a r e no fur th er que stio ns abo ut Yosh i mi tsu ,
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`I wil l mo ve o n to th e 30 0 ZX ma nua l . Th e 300 ZX ma nu al
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`a ppl ies as an ob vio usn ess re f er en ce in g roun d C .
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`Yos hi mi tsu was add ed t o th e pe tit ion be c a use it
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`e xpl ici tl y d isc lose s a s wit ch t o tu rn t he s ys t e m o n or o ff . Mr .
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`M c Na ma r a exp la in ed exa ct l y wh y h e was r e fe r ring to t he
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`30 0 ZX ma nu al and s aid th at it would be o bviou s to on e o f
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`sk ill i n th e a rt to c o mb in e - - I ' m s or r y, t h at it would h av e
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`b ee n obvi o us to a p er son o f o rdin ar y s k ill i n th e a rt th at the
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`s ys t e m i n Yoshi mi tsu in clu des a s wi tch tha t e nab les a nd
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`di sab le s thi s c ruis e c ont rol s ys t e m, bu t it d oes n' t expl ic itl y
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`di sc los e su ch a swi tch .
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`S u ch a s wit ch is e xpl ici tl y d isc lose d in the 300 ZX
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`ma n u al .
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`Th e Pa ten t Own er' s ar gu me nt he r e , a s sho wn on
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`P a ten t Own er 's De mo n st ra tiv e Exhib it 15 , exp lic itl y a tt ac ks
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`th e mo ti vat ion t o c o mb in e . Th e P at ent Owne r wants to sa y
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`th at be ca use M r . M c Na ma r a not ed th at both t he 3 00ZX ma n ua l
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`a nd Yos hi mi tsu 's p rio r ar t s yst e m a pp e ar to d esc ri be th e s a me
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`Ni ssa n c rui se cont rol s yst e m, a n d th at t he y a r e so me wh at
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`di f fe r ent i n th ei r di sc losu re s , a lle ge dl y, t he n th e y c an 't b e
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`c o mb in ed b ec ause th er e i s no evide nc e t hat th e Yoshi mi t su
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`p rio r ar t s yst e m i s t he Niss an cru ise co nt rol s y s t e m.
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`Th at i s not the law. We h a ve t wo r e f er en ce s he r e
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`th at a ctu all y l ooke d a t th e dis cl osur e o f Yo shi mi ts u a nd th e
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`di sc losu re of the 30 0 Z X ma nu al , wou ld s ee tha t th e y a r e
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`e xc ep tion all y s i mi la r and th at a c omb i n ati on o f th e t wo
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`r e f er en ce s woul d b e e xc ept ion all y e as y a n d we ll wi thi n th e
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`sk ill i n th e a rt .
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`r e f er en ce s de sc rib e c ru ise con tr ol s ys t e ms f ro m Ni ss an th at
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`h av e ve r y s i mi l ar di spl a ys and t hat, th e re fo r e , a p e rson of
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`sk ill i n th e a rt woul d be mo t iv ate d to co mb in e t he m.
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`I wil l no w, in th e f e w mi n ut es l ef t to me , I wi ll
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`b ri ef l y a dd res s Pa t ent Own e r' s ch al len ges to th e Yagi has hi
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`r e f er en ce in g round s B and E. The Ya gih ash i r e fe r en ce ,
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`p ar ti cul ar l y in g rou nd E, is co mb in ed wi th th e Yoshi mi t su
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`r e f er en ce , and M r. M c Na ma r a had no pro ble m f i nd ing a
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`mo t iv at ion to comb i n e tho se t wo r e f er en ce s .
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`Th e Pa ten t Own er f oc us es on t he l ast li mi t ati on o f
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`c l ai m 2 6 whi ch requ ir es a s eco nd vis ua l disp la y a ppa r atu s
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`op e rab le to dis pla y t h e vi sua l in for ma t i on ind ic at ive of an
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`op e ra tion s ta tus of th e sp ee d co nt rol le r , wh ich has to i nc lud e
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`Th e Pa ten t Own er' s ar gu me nt is th at light - e mi tti ng
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`p ar t D -2 is n ot p ar t o f th e s ec ond dig it al di spl a y p ar t 57 .
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`Th e di sc losu re of Ya gih ash i a ctu all y i s a digi ta l
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`di spl a y wi th mu ltip le pa rts , whic h i t de sc rib es s ep a ra t el y f o r
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`c l ari t y bu t whi ch a r e all l oc at ed on th e s a me p a rt o f th e
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`d ashb oa rd . Pa rt 55 displ a ys sp eed a nd p ar t 57 d ispla ys
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`v ehi cl e s et sp e ed . P a rt s D -1 and D - 2 a r e d esc ri bed as b ein g
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`p ar ts o f th es e displ a ys and wor king with th e m.
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`And yo u can se e th at i n th e dis clo su re of
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`Ya gih ash i , whi ch I ' ve put on Sub a ru De mo nst r ativ e Exh ibit
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`35 , on th e r ight -ha nd si de , tha t D -1 and D -2 , wh ich a r e th e
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`l ittl e l ights tha t giv e i ndi ca tion t o wh at i s goin g on wi th th e
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`p re se t sp eed and th e v ehi cl e sp e ed a r e , in f ac t , lo cat ed on
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`12 , r ega rd ing th e l i mi ta tion m a i nt ain ing t he ac tiv at ed cr uis e
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`c ont rol spe ed s ymb o l u pon t e mp or a r y a c c el er at ion o r
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`d ec el e ra tion o f t he ve hi cle , th at the lig ht - e mi t ting pa r ts D -1
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`a nd D -2 ar e no t th e a ct iva te d c rui se co nt rol sp e ed symb o l and
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`c an onl y c h ang e b righ tn ess , colo r o r bl inkin g .
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`S o th is is a v ar iant of the sa me a r gu me n t , and I ' m
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`wo rki ng no w f rom P l ai nti f f' s De mon st rat iv e Exhib it 1 3 .
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`Ho wev er , going ba ck to Pe titio ne r 's De mo nst r ativ e Exh ibit 35 ,
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`a nd Mr . Mc Na ma r a 's pa r agr aph 73 , i t sp eak s in d et ail abou t
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`P a r ag rap h 74 point s out tha t: Fur th er mo r e , digi ta l
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`di spl a y p ar t 57 disp la ys a veh icl e se t sp e ed . Thus , th e dis pl a y
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`p ar t 57 p rov ide s a s ymb ol , a nu mb e r d ispl a y i ndi ca tiv e o f th e
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`P a r ag rap h 75 th en ma k es cl e ar that it is the displ a y
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`o f th e abov e s ymb o ls , plu r al , on whi ch P etit ion er r el ies to
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`me e t t his l i mi ta tion . And a s M r . M c Na ma r a pr evi ous l y
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`e xpl ain ed , Yagiha shi te ac he s th at th e v isu al re cogni tion
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`in fo r ma t ion , s uch a s th e fi rst l ight