Presentation of Petitioner Apple Inc.
` Presentation of Petitioner Apple Inc.
`IPR2014-00237
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`IPR2014-00238IPR2014-00238
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`IPR2014-00237
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`IPR2014-00238
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`U.S. Patent No. 8,504,697
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`U.S. Patent No. 8,504,697
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`Petitioner Apple Inc. – Ex. 1084
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` Presentation of Petitioner Apple Inc.
`IPR2014-00237
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`IPR2014-00238IPR2014-00238
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`IPR2014-00237
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`IPR2014-00238
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`U.S. Patent No. 8,504,697
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`U.S. Patent No. 8,504,697
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`Petitioner Apple Inc. – Ex. 1084
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`IPR2014-00237
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`Grounds in -00237
`• Whether Claims 1-11, 14-25, and 28-30 of
`the ’697 patent are anticipated by U.S.
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`P tPatent No. 6,496,867 to Beser (Ex. 1009)t N 6 496 867 t B (E 1009)
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`• Whether Claims 1-11 14-25 and 28-30 ofWhether Claims 1 11, 14 25, and 28 30 of
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`the ’697 patent are obvious over Beser in
`view of RFC 2401 (Ex. 1010)( )
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`IPR2014-00237: Anticipation by Beser
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`Ex. 1009 at Fig. 1
`Decision at 17; Pet. at 16-127; Ex. 1003 at ¶ 260
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`Ex. 1009 at 2:46-67
`Pet. at 16-18; Ex. 1003 at ¶ 257
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`Petitioner Apple Inc. – Ex. 1084
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`The ’697 Patent, Claim 1
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`’697 Patent (Ex. 1001) at Claim 1
`’697 Patent (Ex 1001) at Claim 1
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`The ’697 Patent, Claim 16
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`’697 Patent (Ex 1001) at Claim 16’697 Patent (Ex. 1001) at Claim 16
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`The ’697 Patent, Claim 1
`“intercepting . . .”
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`’697 Patent (Ex. 1001) at Claim 1
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`Institution Decision
`Construction of “intercepting . . .”
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`Decision (00237) at 13
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`Anticipation by Beser
`“intercepting . . .” by the first network device
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`Ex. 1009 at Fig. 4
`Decision at 18, 21; Pet. at 18-19; Ex. 1003 at ¶¶ 294-300
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`Ex. 1009 at 8:21-47
`Decision at 18-21; Pet. at 18-23; Ex. 1003 at ¶¶ 286, 294
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`Anticipation by Beser
`“intercepting . . .” by the TTP network device
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`Ex. 1009 at Fig. 4
`Decision at 18, 21; Pet. at 18-19; Ex. 1003 at ¶¶ 294-300
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`Ex. 1009 at 8:48-9:5
`Decision at 18; Reply at 9; See Pet. at 17; Ex. 1003 at ¶ 298
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`Patent Owner Assertion
`Construction of “intercepting . . .”
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`Opposition at 23
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`Opposition at 23
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`Patent Owner’s Expert
`Construction of “intercepting . . .”
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`Ex. 2025 at ¶ 24
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`Patent Owner’s Expert
`Construction of “intercepting . . .”
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`Ex 1083 at 140:5-9; Reply at 5Ex. 1083 at 140:5 9; Reply at 5
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`Ex. 1083 at 135:7-19; Reply at 5; Ex. 1025 at ¶¶ 24, 30
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`The ’697 Patent, Claim 1
`“intercepting . . .”
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`’697 Patent (Ex. 1001) at Claim 1
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`Patent Owner Assertion (Beser)
`“intercepting . . .”
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`Opposition at 37
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`Opposition at 37
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`Anticipation by Beser
`“request to look up [an IP] address”
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`Ex. 1003 at ¶ 306-07; Pet. at 19, 21
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`Ex. 1009 at 11:26-44
`Decision at 18; Pet. at 17; Ex. 1003 at ¶ 298
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`Anticipation by Beser
`“[an IP] address of the second network device”
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`Ex. 1009 at 21:63-22:22
`Pet. at 19; Ex. 1003 at ¶¶ 305, 313-15; Decision at 21; Reply at 8
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`IPR2014-00237: Anticipation by Beser
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`Ex. 1009 at Fig. 1
`Ex 1009 at Fig 1
`Decision at 17; Pet. at 16-27; Ex. 1003 at ¶ 260
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`Patent Owner’s Expert (Beser)
`“[an IP] address of the second network device”
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`Ex. 1083 at 192:9-16 (discussing Ex. 1009 at 9:26); Reply at 8
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`Ex. 1083 at 228:3-12; Reply at 8
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`The ’697 Patent, Claim 1
`“determining . . .”
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`’697 Patent (Ex. 1001) at Claim 1
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`Institution Decision
`Construction of “determining . . .”
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`Decision (00237) at 15
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`Anticipation by Beser
`“determining . . .”
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`Ex 1009 at 11:45-58; Ex 1003 at ¶ 263;Ex. 1009 at 11:45-58; Ex. 1003 at ¶ 263;
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`Pet. at 20; Reply at 10; Decision at 21, 22
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`Anticipation by Beser
`“determining . . .”
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`t 20P tPet. at 20
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`Ex. 1003 at ¶¶ 306-07
`Decision at 22; Pet. at 29
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`Ex. 1003 at ¶ 367; Pet. at 29
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`Anticipation by Beser
`“determining . . .”
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`Ex. 1009 at 11:9-25
`Decision at 17; Opposition at 49; Ex. 1003 at ¶¶ 316-17
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`Patent Owner Assertion
`Construction of “determining . . .”
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`Ex. 1001 at 41:20-27; Reply at 5-6
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`Opposition at 23
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`Patent Owner Assertion (Beser)
`“determining . . .”
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`Opposition at 29
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`Ex. 1001 at 40:31-37; Opposition at 29
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`Patent Owner Assertion (Beser)
`“determining . . .”
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`Opposition at 42
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`Anticipation by Beser
`“determining . . .”
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`Reply at 11; see also Ex. 1003 at ¶ 367
`Reply at 11; see also Ex 1003 at ¶ 367
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`The ’697 Patent, Claim 1
`“initiating a secure communication link . . .”
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`’697 Patent (Ex. 1001) at Claim 1
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`Institution Decision
`Construction of “secure communication link”
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`Decision at (00237) 10
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`Anticipation by Beser
`“secure communication link”
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`Ex. 1009 at 11:59-12:19
`Decision at 19; Ex. 1003 at ¶¶ 307-309, 312; Pet. at 21; Reply at 13
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`Patent Owner Assertion
`Construction of “secure communication link”
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`Opposition at 10
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`Opposition at 11Opposition at 11
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`Opposition at 15
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`Patent Owner’s Expert
`Construction of “secure communication link”
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`Ex. 1083 at 66:12-17; Reply at 4
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`Ex. 1083at 74:12-14; Reply at 4
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`Ex. 1083 at 113:16-114:12; Reply at 4
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`The ’697 Patent, Claim 2
`Construction of claim 1’s “secure communication link”
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`’697 Patent (Ex. 1001) at Claim 1
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`’697 Patent (Ex. 1001) at Claim 2; Pet. at 8; Reply at 4
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`Anticipation by Beser
`“at least one of video data and audio data”
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`Ex. 1009 at Fig. 5
`Decision at 23-24; Pet. at 23; Ex. 1003 at ¶ 278
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`Ex. 1009 at Fig. 5
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`The ’697 Patent, Claim 2
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`’697 Patent (Ex. 1001) at Claim 1
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`’697 Patent (Ex. 1001) at Claim 2
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`Anticipation by Beser
`video or audio data “is encrypted”
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`Ex. 1009 at 1:54-67
`Decision at 24; Pet. at 24; Ex. 1003 at ¶¶ 268-270, 303, 318-325
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`Patent Owner Assertion (Beser)
`video or audio data “is encrypted”
`y
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`Opposition at 54Oppos t o at 5
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`Patent Owner’s Expert (Beser)
`video or audio data “is encrypted”
`y
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`Ex. 1083 at 213:19-214:1; Reply at 14
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`Ex. 1083 at 219:8-18; Reply at 14
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`Obviousness over Beser and RFC 2401
`video or audio data “is encrypted”
`y
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`Ex. 1003 at ¶¶ 269-70
`Decision at 30-31; Pet. at 34-37
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`Obviousness over Beser and RFC 2401
`video or audio data “is encrypted”
`y
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`Ex. 1003 at ¶ 323-24, 390; Pet. at 34-36; Decision at 30-31
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`Patent Owner Assertion (Beser & RFC 2401)
`video or audio data “is encrypted”
`y
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`Opposition at 57
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`Obviousness over Beser and RFC 2401
`video or audio data “is encrypted”
`y
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`Ex. 1003 at ¶¶ 386-88; Pet. at 36-37
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`Patent Owner’s Expert (Beser)
`video or audio data “is encrypted”
`y
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`Ex. 206:20-207:7; Reply at 15
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`Ex. 207:17-208:6; Reply at 15
`Ex 207:17 208:6; Reply at 15
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`The ’697 Patent, Claim 3
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`’697 Patent (Ex. 1001) at Claim 1
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`’697 Patent (Ex. 1001) at Claim 3
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`Institution Decision
`Construction of “virtual private network”
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`Decision (00237) at 12
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`Anticipation by Beser
`video or audio data “is encrypted”
`y
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`Ex. 1009 at Fig. 1
`Decision at 17; Pet. at 16-17; Ex. 1003 at ¶ 260
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`Ex. 1009 at 3:60-4:18
`Decision at 17; Pet. at 24-25; Ex. 1003 at ¶ 255
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`IPR2014-00238
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`Grounds in -00238
`• Whether Claims 1-3, 8-11, 14-17, 22-25, and
`38-30 of the ’697 patent are anticipated by
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`U S P tU.S. Patent No. 5,898,830 to Wesinger (Ex. t N 5 898 830 t W i (E
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`1008)
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`• Whether Claims 4-7 and 18-21 of the ’697
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`patent are obvious over Wesinger in view of p g
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`RFC 2543 (Ex. 1012)
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`Anticipation by Wesinger
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`Ex. 1003 at ¶¶ 263-64
`Decision at 19; Pet. at 16
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`Anticipation by Wesinger
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`Ex. 1008 at Fig. 1; Ex. 1003 ¶ 295;
`Pet. at 16-17; Decision at 15
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`The ’697 Patent, Claim 1
`“intercepting . . .”
`g
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`’697 Patent (Ex. 1001) at Claim 1
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`Anticipation by Wesinger
`“intercepting . . .”
`g
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`Ex. 1003 at ¶ 278
`Ex 1003 at ¶ 278
`Pet. at 17-18; see Decision at 15-16
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`Patent Owner Assertion (Wesinger)
`“intercepting . . .”
`g
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`Opposition at 49
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`Opposition at 50
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`Anticipation by Wesinger
`“intercepting . . .”
`g
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`Ex. 1003 at ¶ 278
`Ex 1003 at ¶ 278
`Pet. at 17-18; see Decision at 15-16
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`Anticipation by Wesinger
`“intercepting . . .”
`g
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`Ex. 1003 at ¶ 267
`Pet. at 17; see Decision at 15-16
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`The ’697 Patent, Claim 1
`“determining . . .”
`g
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`’697 Patent (Ex. 1001) at Claim 1
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`Anticipation by Wesinger
`“determining . . .”
`g
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`Ex. 1008 at 3:58-61; Ex. 1003 ¶ 301;
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`Decision at 16 17; Pet at 18 19Decision at 16-17; Pet. at 18-19
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`Ex. 1008 at 9:52-60; Ex. 1003 ¶ 301;
`Decision at 16-17; Pet. at 18-19
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`t 18 19
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`Anticipation by Wesinger
`“determining . . .”
`g
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`Ex. 1008 at Fig. 7, 15:32-46; Ex. 1003 ¶ 287, 299;
`Decision at 16; Pet. at 18-19
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`Anticipation by Wesinger
`“determining . . .”
`g
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`Ex 1008 at 16:22-28; Ex 1003 ¶ 284;Ex. 1008 at 16:22 28; Ex. 1003 ¶ 284;
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`Decision at 16; Pet. at 18-19; Reply at 7
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`Ex. 1008 at 17:1-7; Reply at 12
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`Anticipation by Wesinger
`“determining . . .”
`g
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`Ex. 1008 at 11:51-60; Ex. 1003 ¶ 301;
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`Decision at 16-17; Pet. at 16Decision at 16 17; Pet. at 16
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`Patent Owner Assertion (Wesinger)
`“determining . . .”
`g
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`Opposition at 32Opposition at 32
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`Opposition at 35
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`Anticipation by Wesinger
`“determining . . .”
`g
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`Ex. 1008 at 17:17-46; Reply at 6-7
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`Patent Owner’s Expert (Wesinger)
`“determining . . .”
`g
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`Ex. 1083 at 258:4-259:12; Reply at 6-7
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`Anticipation by Wesinger
`“determining . . .”
`g
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`Ex. 1008 at 13:6-15; Reply at 5
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`Anticipation by Wesinger
`“determining . . .”
`g
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`Ex. 1008 at 9:16-25; Ex. 1003 at ¶ 283-85;
`Pet. at 19; Reply at 7-8; Decision at 16
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`Ex. 1008 at 9:42-49; Ex. 1003 at ¶ 278;
`Decision at 16; Pet. at 19; Reply at 7
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`Patent Owner’s Expert (Wesinger)
`“determining . . .”
`g
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`Ex. 1083 at 275:16-276:6; Reply at 6
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`Patent Owner’s Expert (Wesinger)
`“determining . . .”
`g
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`Ex. 1083 at 283:13-284:6; Reply at 6
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`Patent Owner’s Expert (Wesinger)
`“determining . . .”
`g
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`Ex. 1083 at 254:14-255:2; Reply at 6
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`Patent Owner’s Expert (Wesinger)
`“determining . . .”
`g
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`Ex. 1083 at 258:21-259:12; Reply at 9
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`The ’697 Patent, Claim 1
`“initiating . . .”
`g
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`’697 Patent (Ex. 1001) at Claim 1
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`Anticipation by Wesinger
`“initiating . . .”
`g
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`Ex. 1008 at 11:51-60; Ex. 1003 ¶ 301;
`Decision at 16-17; Pet. at 16
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`Ex. 1008 at 17:1-7; Reply at 12
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`Anticipation by Wesinger
`“initiating . . .”
`g
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`Ex. 1008 at 12:9-28; Ex. 1003 ¶ 299;
`Decision at 17; Pet. at 19-20
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`Anticipation by Wesinger
`“initiating . . .”
`g
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`Ex. 1003 at ¶ 292
`Pet. at 19-20; see Decision at 17
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`The ’697 Patent, Claim 1
`“wherein . . .”
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`’697 Patent (Ex. 1001) at Claim 1
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`Anticipation by Wesinger
`“wherein . . .”
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`Ex. 1003 at ¶ 306
`Pet. at 20-21; see Decision at 17-18
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`The ’697 Patent, Claims 8, 9, 22, 23
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`’697 Patent (Ex. 1001) at Claims 8 & 9
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`’697 Patent (Ex. 1001) at Claims 22 & 23
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`Anticipation by Wesinger
`Claims 8, 9, 22, and 23
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`Ex. 1003 at ¶ 270
`Pet. at 24-25; see Decision at 18-19
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`Obviousness by Wesinger and RFC 2543
`Claims 4-7 and 18-21
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`’697 Patent (Ex. 1001) at Claims 4-7
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`’697 Patent (Ex. 1001) at Claims 18-21
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`Obviousness by Wesinger and RFC 2543
`Claims 4-7 and 18-21
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`Pet. at 30; see also Ex. 1003 at ¶¶ 309-313, 364-368
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`Obviousness by Wesinger and RFC 2543
`Claims 4-7 and 18-21
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`Ex. 1003 at ¶ 310; see generally ¶¶ 309-313
`Pet. at 29-30
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`Obviousness by Wesinger and RFC 2543
`Claims 4-7 and 18-21
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`Ex. 1003 at ¶ 309-10
`Pet. at 29-32; Reply at 14-15; Decision at 21-22
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`Obviousness by Wesinger and RFC 2543
`Claims 4-7 and 18-21
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`Ex. 1003 at ¶ 311-12¶
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`Pet. at 29-32; Reply at 14-15; Decision at 21-22
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`Michael Fratto
` Michael Fratto
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`9.
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`I have been studying, evaluating, testing and describing netwerk‘ing,
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`networking security and related teehnelegies fer mere than 15 years. Since well
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`Ex. 1003 at ¶ 9
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`betbre 1999? I have had an extensive background. and experience in netwerk
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`systems, software and related teelmelo-gies, with a particular teens en netwerk
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`Ex. 1003 at 1] 9
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`I also have extensive hands-on experience with Wide range (if
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`networking and networking security products developed and said in the 1993 to
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`2032 time frame. This came from my various positions with Network Computing
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`where Ireviewedi tested and described these products in a. technical publicatinn
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`devoted te- this field. I else wrote articles about network infrastructure, data center,
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`Ex. 1003 at ¶ 10
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