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`BEFORE THE PATENT TRIAL AND APPEAL BOARD
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`APPLE, INC.,
`TWITTER, INC., AND YELP, INC.
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`EVOLUTIONARY INTELLIGENCE, LLC,
`Patent Owner.
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`Case IPR2014-00086
`Case IPR2014-00812
`Patent No. 7,010,536
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`RECORD OF ORAL HEARING
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`Before BRIAN McNAMARA, GREGG ANDERSON (via video
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`The above-entitled matter came on for hearing on Tuesday,
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`JUDGE McNAMARA: Please be seated. Good
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`a f t e r n o o n . T h i s i s t h e o r a l h e a r in g in t wo I P R c a s es ,
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`I P R2 0 1 4 - 0 0 0 8 6 an d I P R 2 0 1 4 - 0 0 8 1 2 . P e tit io n er s ar e A p p l e,
`IPR2014-00086 and IPR2014-00812. Petitioners are Apple,
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`I n c . , T wi t t er , I n c. a n d Y el p , I n c . P a t e n t Ow n e r is
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`E v o l u t io n a r y I n te l l ig e n ce , L L C .
`Evolutionary Intelligence, LLC.
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`B e g i n n in g wi th P e t it io n e r , c o u ld c o u n s el p l e a s e
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`M R . K U S H A N : Y e s , Y o u r Ho n o r . J e f f K u s h a n
`MR. KUSHAN: Yes, Your Honor. Jeff Kushan
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`w i t h S i d l e y A u s ti n f o r Ap p l e . Wi th me i s S a m D i l l o n a n d
`with Sidley Austin for Apple. With me is Sam Dillon and
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`T o m B r o u g h a n o f my f i r m. A n d a ls o wi th me i s J e n
`Tom Broughan of my firm. And also with me is Jen
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`Yokoyama from our client Apple.
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`J U D G E M c N A M A R A : T h a n k y o u .
`JUDGE McNAMARA: Thank you.
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`M R . K A D A B A : Y o u r H o n o r , W ab K a d a b a w i t h
`MR. KADABA: Your Honor, Wab Kadaba with
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`K i l p at r ic k T o w n s e n d f o r Y e l p , I n c . a n d Tw i t t er , I n c . , a l l in
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`J U D G E M c N A M A R A : T h a n k y o u . P a t en t O w n e r ?
`JUDGE McNAMARA: Thank you. Patent Owner?
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`M R . P A T E K : G o o d a f t er n o o n . I ' m A n t h o n y P a t ek
`MR. PATEK: Good afternoon.
`I‘m Anthony Patek
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`f r o m G u t r i d e S a f i e r o n b eh a lf o f Ev o l u t io n a r y I n t e ll ig e n c e .
`from Gutride Safier on behalf of Evolutionary Intelligence.
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`A n d wi th me i s b a c k u p co u n s e l , T o d d K e n n ed y , al s o f r o m
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`J U D G E M c N A M A R A : O k a y .
`JUDGE McNAMARA: Okay.
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`M R . K U S H A N : I a l s o h av e o n e a d mi n is tr a t i v e
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`I w o u ld a s k if p o s s i b l e to t a k e a ma y b e t w o to f iv e - mi n u te
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`J U D G E M c N A M A R A : I t h i n k th at w o u ld b e f i n e .
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`M R . K U S H A N : S o t h e c la i ms a t i s s u e th a t y o u
`MR. KUSHAN: So the claims at issue that you
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`believe you got that right when you instituted the decision.
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`W e b e l i ev e th a t - - e x c u s e me . M a y I g iv e y o u
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`J U D G E M c N A M A R A : S u r e . P l ea s e f e e l f r e e to
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`J U D G E A N D E R S O N : Co u n s e l , ma k e s u r e y o u
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`A s i t p o in ts o u t , i t g e n e r at e s mu l tip ly n es te d ma p s ,
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`r e a l - t i me p e r s p ec t i v e o n a n o p e r at in g r a ilr o ad s y s t e m.
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`I t a ls o p o in ts o u t t h a t th e s o f t w ar e a u t o ma t i c a l ly
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`g e n e r at e s a l e r t s ig n al s a cc o r d in g t o cu s t o mi z a b l e a l e r t
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`T h e s o f tw a r e a l s o a u t o ma t i c a l ly
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`g e n e r at e s g r a p h ic a l s t a tu s a n d p er f o r ma n c e i n d i ca t o r s f o r b o t h
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`a n d t h e o b j e c t s in th e r e al w o r ld s y s t e m.
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`r e p r e s e n t e d , f o r e x a mp l e , i n t h e t r a n s p o r t o b j e c t s .
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`that data is still part of the information stored for that object.
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`G o to s l id e 1 4 . N o w , a s I me n t i o n e d b e f o r e , th e
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`G i b b s s ch e me i s a v e r y d y n a mi c s y s t e m. I t is mo n it o r in g
`Gibbs scheme is a very dynamic system.
`It is monitoring
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`I f y o u g o to s l id e 1 3 f o r a mi n u t e. A n d wh a t I
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`f r o m o u r e x p e r t , D r . H o u h , p o in t e d o u t th e p o r tio n s o f t h e
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`G i b b s p at e n t wh ic h s h o w s o me o f t h e s e c ap a b i l it i es .
`Gibbs patent which show some of these capabilities.
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`H e r e i t is c i ti n g to E x h ib it 1 0 0 6 a t 8 5 3 to 6 3 ,
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