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`A P P E A R A N C E S: (Via Telephone)
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` FISH & RICHARDSON
` 12390 El Camino Real
` San Diego, CA 92130
` BY: JOHN C. PHILLIPS, ESQ.
` JOHN A. DRAGSETH, ESQ.
` For the Petitioner
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` FINNEGAN, HENDERSON, FARABOW,
` GARRETT & DUNNER, LLP
` 901 New York Avenue, NW
` Washington, DC 20001
` BY: J. MICHAEL JAKES, ESQ.
` DENISE W. DeFRANCO, ESQ.
` For the Patent Owner
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`ALSO PRESENT:
` RANDALL BERMAN
` Philips IP&S
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` JUDGE MEDLEY: Good afternoon, this
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`Quinn. I'd like to take a roll call first.
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` This is in reference to
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`IPR2013-00609, 612, 613, 615, 616 and 618. I'd like
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` THE REPORTER: Yes, we do. My name
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` JUDGE MEDLEY: Okay. Thank you,
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`Nancy.
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` And I'd also like to clarify, we got
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` MR. JAKES: That's right. This is in
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`respect to just six of them for this particular
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`motion that we want to file.
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` JUDGE MEDLEY: Okay. Then we'll hear
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`from Patent Owner, please.
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` MR. JAKES: This is Mike Jakes for
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`the Patent Owner, Philips.
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` We're asking permission to file a
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`motion to dismiss these six IPRs under 35 U.S.C.
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`315(b). There is another litigation that was not
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`patents. We identified it in our mandatory
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`disclosures. That's a case that's pending in the
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`District of Massachusetts and it involved these same
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`six patents. The complaint in that case was filed
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` The defendant in that case is Zoll
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`Medical Corporation and that's the parent
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`corporation of the Petitioner in this case, Zoll
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`Lifecor. That complaint that was filed in October
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`of 2010 alleged infringement of these six patents
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` MR. JAKES: Good afternoon, this is
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`Mike Jakes for Philips. I think I jumped the gun
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`there. I think you wanted the Petitioner first, but
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`we had asked for the call.
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` JUDGE MEDLEY: Okay, Mr. Jakes,
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`that's fine. Do you have anybody with you?
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` MR. JAKES: Yes, Denise DeFranco from
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`my firm is with me and Randall Berman from Philips,
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`the Patent Owner, is also on the line.
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` JUDGE MEDLEY: Okay. And they're --
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`but they are not listed as counsel?
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` MR. JAKES: No.
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` JUDGE MEDLEY: Okay. Petitioner?
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` MR. PHILLIPS: Petitioner, John
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`Phillips, lead counsel for Fish & Richardson is
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` JUDGE MEDLEY: Okay. All right.
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` So we understand that Patent Owner
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`complaint filed against Zoll Lifecor, who is the
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`Petitioner in this case. There was a case of like
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`Lifecor, is a privy of the Petitioner since it was
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`in the Massachusetts case, was a privy of Zoll
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`Lifecor, the Petitioner, then there is no standing
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`Medical is a privy of Zoll Lifecor. It's the parent
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`corporation. Zoll Lifecor is a wholly-owned
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` JUDGE MEDLEY: Okay, let me just
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` JUDGE MEDLEY: Okay. I'd like to
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` MR. PHILLIPS: Yes, this is John
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`Dragseth, who knows the history better than I do.
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`deficient. They identify the relevant parties.
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`Zoll Lifecor and Zoll Medical are separate corporate
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` Today we're just here to decide
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`procedurally how to go forward. We don't really
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` And so I have a question for you
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`before we turn it over to hear from Petitioner. Why
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`can't we just run the one case just like we did the
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`other case, in that you have an opportunity to file
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` MR. JAKES: Your Honor, and for the
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`again on behalf of Philips.
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` The petitions are really facially
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` JUDGE MEDLEY: Okay. Well, I think
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` All right, do you have anything else,
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` MR. PHILLIPS: I don't. John
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`Dragseth, did you want to add any facts, relevant
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` JUDGE MEDLEY: Okay. I will
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` JUDGE MEDLEY: Okay, this is Judge
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` The panel has conferred and we are
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`Phillips for the Petitioner.
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` At what point -- if the preliminary
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` Any other questions or comments?
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` MR. JAKES: Not from the Patent
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` MR. PHILLIPS: Not from Petitioner.
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`Thank you, Your Honor.
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` JUDGE MEDLEY: Okay. And who
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` JUDGE MEDLEY: Okay, Patent Owner,
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` THE REPORTER: It's not very lengthy.
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`When do you need it? I can do it pretty quickly.
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` MS. DeFRANCO: Your Honor, this is
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` JUDGE MEDLEY: Okay.
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` MS. DeFRANCO: On behalf of Philips.
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` I, NANCY C. BENDISH, a Certified Court
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