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`12· · · · · · · · · DEPOSITION OF
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`25· ·JOB NO. 95001
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`25· ·JOB NO. 95001
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`·7· · · · · · · Deposition of RALPH V. WILHELM,
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`·9· ·Notice, held at Kenyon & Kenyon, L.L.P.,
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`10· ·One Broadway, New York, New York, before
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`11· ·Linda J. Greenstein, a Certified Shorthand
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`12· ·Reporter and Notary Public of the State of
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`·4· ·KENYON & KENYON, L.L.P.
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`· · ·McANDREWS, HELD & MALLOY, LTD.
`10· ·Attorneys for American Vehicular Sciences,
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`13· ·BY:· · · STEPHANIE F. SAMZ, ESQ.
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`·3· · · ·IT IS HEREBY STIPULATED AND AGREED
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`·4· ·by and between counsel for the respective
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`·5· ·parties hereto, that the sealing, filing
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`·6· ·and certification of the within
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`·7· ·Deposition(s) may be signed and sworn to
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`·8· ·before any officer authorized to administer
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`·9· ·an oath with the same force and effect as
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`10· ·if signed and sworn to before the officer
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`11· ·before whom said Deposition(s) was (were)
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`15· ·that all objections, except as to the form,
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`16· ·are reserved to the trial.
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`·1· · · · · · · RALPH V. WILHELM, PH.D.,
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`·2· ·having been first duly sworn, was examined
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`·3· ·and testified as follows:
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`·4· ·EXAMINATION BY
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`·5· ·MS. SAMZ:
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`·6· · · · Q.· · Can you please state your name
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`·7· ·for the record.
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`·8· · · · A.· · Ralph V. Wilhelm, Jr.
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`·9· · · · Q.· · And maybe spell your last name
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`10· ·for the court reporter.
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`11· · · · A.· · W-I-L-H-E-L-M.
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`12· · · · Q.· · Can you please state your home
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`13· ·address for the record.
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`14· · · · A.· · It's 16002 Colleton Court;
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`15· ·Carmel, Indiana 46033.
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`16· · · · Q.· · And do you have a business
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`17· ·address as well?
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`18· · · · A.· · It's the same as that.
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`19· · · · Q.· · Before we get started today, I'd
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`20· ·like to go over some ground rules just to
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`21· ·help things run a little bit more smoothly
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`22· ·hopefully.
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`23· · · · · · · Do you understand that you're
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`24· ·under oath today?
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`25· · · · A.· · I do.
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`·2· · · · Q.· · Is there any reason that you
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`·3· ·cannot testify truthfully today?
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`·4· · · · A.· · No.
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`·5· · · · Q.· · I'm going to be asking some
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`·6· ·questions.· Please allow me to finish my
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`·7· ·questions before you answer, and I will try
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`·8· ·my best to allow you to finish your answers
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`·9· ·before I ask the next question.
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`10· · · · · · · The court reporter will have a
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`11· ·hard time getting down the testimony and
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`12· ·the questions if we're talking over each
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`13· ·other.
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`14· · · · · · · Do you understand that?
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`15· · · · A.· · I do understand.
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`16· · · · Q.· · Please give verbal responses to
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`17· ·my questions.· Obviously, the court
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`18· ·reporter can't transcribe non-verbal
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`19· ·responses, just as a nod.
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`20· · · · · · · Do you understand?
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`21· · · · A.· · Agreed.
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`22· · · · Q.· · I'll try to be as clear as
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`23· ·possible today, but if a question is
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`24· ·unclear, please ask me for clarification
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`25· ·and I will try and rephrase the question.
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`·2· · · · · · · I will assume you've understood
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`·3· ·the question if you don't ask for
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`·4· ·clarification.
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`·5· · · · · · · Do you understand?
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`·6· · · · A.· · I do.
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`·7· · · · Q.· · We'll take a break every hour or
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`·8· ·so, but if you need to break sooner, please
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`·9· ·let me know.· Sometimes I can lose track of
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`10· ·the time, so if you need a break, please
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`11· ·let me know.
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`12· · · · · · · Is that agreeable?
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`13· · · · A.· · Yes, it is.
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`14· · · · Q.· · Have you been deposed before?
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`15· · · · A.· · Yes.
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`16· · · · Q.· · How many times?
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`17· · · · A.· · Twice.
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`18· · · · Q.· · Were you serving as an expert
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`19· ·witness in those cases?
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`20· · · · A.· · No.
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`21· · · · Q.· · No?
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`22· · · · A.· · No.
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`23· · · · Q.· · What types of cases were those?
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`24· · · · A.· · Those were cases that involved
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`25· ·personnel and firing of a specific employee
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`·2· ·in a for-profit company I work for.
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`·3· · · · · · · And the other case involved a
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`·4· ·completion of contract for building clean
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`·5· ·rooms in an automotive electronics
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`·6· ·facility.
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`·7· · · · Q.· · And were you an employee of one
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`·8· ·of those parties to the lawsuit in those
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`·9· ·cases?
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`10· · · · A.· · In both cases.
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`11· · · · Q.· · In both cases.
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`12· · · · · · · And you were not providing
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`13· ·expert testimony in those cases?
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`14· · · · A.· · Correct.
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`15· · · · Q.· · How many times have you been
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`16· ·retained as an expert witness?
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`17· · · · A.· · Five times.
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`18· · · · Q.· · Have these all been patent
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`19· ·cases?
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`20· · · · A.· · Excuse me?
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`21· · · · Q.· · Have these been patent cases?
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`22· · · · A.· · Yes.
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`23· · · · Q.· · All five of them?
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`24· · · · A.· · Yes.
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`25· · · · Q.· · What is the general subject
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`·2· ·matter of the technology that was at issue
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`·3· ·in these cases?
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`·4· · · · A.· · In every case, all five of them
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`·5· ·covered the general area of automotive
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`·6· ·electronics.
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`·7· · · · Q.· · In those cases, were you
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`·8· ·retained by the patent owner?
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`·9· · · · A.· · Some.
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`10· · · · Q.· · In approximately how many cases
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`11· ·were you retained by the patent owner?
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`12· · · · A.· · I think two or three.· It was
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`13· ·split about, half/half.
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`14· · · · Q.· · Were these cases before a
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`15· ·District Court?
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`16· · · · A.· · I don't know.
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`17· · · · Q.· · So it could have been before a
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`18· ·District Court, might they have been before
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`19· ·the ITC?
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`20· · · · A.· · No.· It was a court.· I don't
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`21· ·remember ever hearing the ITC.
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`22· · · · Q.· · Going back to the subject
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`23· ·matter, you said automotive electronics.
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`24· · · · · · · Did any of them have to deal
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`25· ·with diagnostics?
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`·2· · · · A.· · Yes.
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`·3· · · · Q.· · How many?
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`·4· · · · A.· · One, that I recall.
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`·5· · · · Q.· · In addition to these ones?
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`·6· · · · A.· · Yes.
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`·7· · · · Q.· · When you said the number five,
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`·8· ·were you including the three IPRs that
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`·9· ·we're here to talk about today?
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`10· · · · A.· · No.
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`11· · · · Q.· · So the ones that we're here to
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`12· ·talk about today are in addition to the
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`13· ·five?
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`14· · · · A.· · Yes.
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`15· · · · Q.· · Can you explain a little bit
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`16· ·more about the diagnostics that were at
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`17· ·issue in the case you referenced?
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`18· · · · · · · And, of course, if it's
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`19· ·confidential or subject to a Protective
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`20· ·Order, I don't want you to provide any of
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`21· ·that information.
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`22· · · · A.· · You're looking for a general
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`23· ·discussion of the diagnostics in that
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`24· ·previous case?
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`25· · · · Q.· · Yes.
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`·2· · · · A.· · That case dealt with a
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`·3· ·telematics box, which is a transmit-receive
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`·4· ·system that is on now most vehicles in
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`·5· ·North America, and it dealt with exchanging
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`·6· ·diagnostic information, including DTCs and
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`·7· ·other information inside the vehicle, and
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`·8· ·also from the vehicle to a call center,
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`·9· ·where the data was either analyzed by a
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`10· ·computer automatically, or it was actually
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`11· ·viewed by an operator.
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`12· · · · Q.· · For the record, can you tell me
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`13· ·what "DTC" stands for?
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`14· · · · A.· · Diagnostic trouble calls.
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`15· · · · Q.· · Do you recall who the parties
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`16· ·were in that case?
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`17· · · · A.· · Yes, I do.
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`18· · · · Q.· · Who were the parties?
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`19· · · · A.· · I have at least a deal -- the
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`20· ·agreement I have with the parties and the
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`21· ·clients I have in the past is not to
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`22· ·disclose them.
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`23· · · · Q.· · Okay.
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`24· · · · · · · Did you represent the patent
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`25· ·owner or the defendant in the case?
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`·2· · · · A.· · The patent owner.
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`·3· · · · Q.· · Did you provide testimony
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`·4· ·regarding infringement in that case?
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`·5· · · · A.· · Yes.
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`·6· · · · Q.· · Did you provide testimony
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`·7· ·regarding the validity of the patent in
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`·8· ·that case?
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`·9· · · · A.· · Yes.
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`10· · · · Q.· · Moving to the other four cases,
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`11· ·can you be a little bit more specific?
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`12· · · · · · · Let's go back to the case that
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`13· ·dealt with the diagnostics.
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`14· · · · · · · Is that case still pending?
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`15· · · · A.· · No.
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`16· · · · Q.· · Did you write any reports in
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`17· ·that case?
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`18· · · · A.· · Yes.
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`19· · · · Q.· · How many?
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`20· · · · A.· · One.
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`21· · · · Q.· · What was the subject matter of
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`22· ·the reports:· Infringements, validity,
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`23· ·both?
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`24· · · · A.· · Both.
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`25· · · · Q.· · And you were not deposed in that
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`·3· · · · A.· · Correct.
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`·4· · · · Q.· · And you did not testify at any
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`·5· ·trial in that case?
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`·6· · · · A.· · Correct.
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`·7· · · · Q.· · How was that case resolved?
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`·8· · · · A.· · In favor of the party I was
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`·9· ·defending.
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`10· · · · Q.· · So it was a settlement?
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`11· · · · A.· · I don't know exactly what the
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`12· ·resolution was.· I know that it was settled
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`13· ·in the favor of the client that I
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`14· ·supported.
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`15· · · · Q.· · So it was settled?
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`16· · · · · · · There wasn't a court order
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`17· ·ending the case in terms of summary
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`18· ·judgement?
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`19· · · · A.· · No.
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`20· · · · Q.· · So let's move onto the other
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`21· ·four cases.
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`22· · · · · · · Can you be a little more
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`23· ·specific about what kind of technology was
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`24· ·involved in those cases?
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`25· · · · A.· · One case dealt with a supplier
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`·2· ·to a large car company.· The technology
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`·3· ·dealt with electronics and sensors as they
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`·4· ·pertained to how the vehicle and engine
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`·5· ·actually operated.
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`·6· · · · Q.· · Okay.
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`·7· · · · · · · And did you write any expert
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`·8· ·reports for that case?
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`·9· · · · A.· · No.
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`10· · · · Q.· · Who retained you in that case,
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`11· ·the patent owner or the accused infringer?
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`12· · · · A.· · The patent owner.
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`13· · · · Q.· · Is that case still pending?
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`14· · · · A.· · No.
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`15· · · · Q.· · Do you know how that case was
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`16· ·resolved?
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`17· · · · A.· · It was resolved in favor of the
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`18· ·client I supported.
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`19· · · · Q.· · By a settlement?
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`20· · · · A.· · To my knowledge, yes.
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`21· · · · Q.· · So those are two cases, so we
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`22· ·have three left.
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`23· · · · · · · Can you explain a little bit
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`24· ·more the technology in those last three?
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`25· · · · A.· · Yes.
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`·2· · · · · · · One of these deals with
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`·3· ·information that is in the vehicle and is
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`·4· ·being transmitted off-board to a dealership
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`·5· ·for service.
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`·6· · · · Q.· · What type of information?
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`·7· · · · A.· · Diagnostics and trouble codes,
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`·8· ·sensor values.
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`·9· · · · Q.· · Did you represent the patent
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`10· ·owner or the defendant in that case?
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`11· · · · A.· · The patent owner.
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`12· · · · Q.· · Is that case still pending?
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`13· · · · A.· · No.
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`14· · · · Q.· · Do you know how that case was
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`15· ·resolved?
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`16· · · · A.· · Not exactly.
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`17· · · · Q.· · Did you write any expert reports
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`18· ·for that case?
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`19· · · · A.· · No, I did not.
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`20· · · · Q.· · Did you provide any deposition
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`21· ·testimony in that case?
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`22· · · · A.· · No, I did not.
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`23· · · · Q.· · Did you testify at any trial in
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`24· ·that case?
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`25· · · · A.· · No.
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`·2· · · · Q.· · So I think we have two more
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`·3· ·cases left.
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`·4· · · · A.· · One of these cases dealt with
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`·5· ·information that was contained onboard the
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`·6· ·vehicle, a navigation audio entertainment
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`·7· ·system, and how the driver actually
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`·8· ·interacted with the display.
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`·9· · · · Q.· · And this display dealt with the
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`10· ·navigation or entertainment system?
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`11· · · · A.· · Yes.
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`12· · · · Q.· · Were you retained by the patent
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`13· ·owner or the accused infringer?
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`14· · · · A.· · Patent owner.
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`15· · · · Q.· · Did you write any expert reports
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`16· ·for that case?
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`17· · · · A.· · No.
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`18· · · · Q.· · Were you deposed in that case?
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`19· · · · A.· · No.
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`20· · · · Q.· · And did you testify at a trial
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`21· ·in that case?
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`22· · · · A.· · No.
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`23· · · · Q.· · Is that case still pending?
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`24· · · · A.· · No.
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`25· · · · Q.· · Do you know how that case was
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`·2· ·resolved?
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`·3· · · · A.· · In favor of the patent owner, to
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`·4· ·my knowledge.
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`·5· · · · Q.· · Through a settlement?
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`·6· · · · A.· · To my knowledge.
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`·7· · · · Q.· · And let's move on to the last
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`·8· ·case that you mentioned.
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`·9· · · · A.· · Last case dealt with
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`10· ·communication from a smartphone that was
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`11· ·Bluetooth enabled to an entertainment
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`12· ·system and dealt with the data that was
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`13· ·transmitted and received by the phone and
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`14· ·analyzed by the entertainment system, and
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`15· ·used by the entertainment system.
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`16· · · · Q.· · And this entertainment system --
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`17· · · · A.· · Navigation and audio.
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`18· · · · Q.· · On the vehicle?
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`19· · · · A.· · Yes, ma'am.
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`20· · · · Q.· · Were you retained by the patent
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`21· ·owner or the accused infringer?
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`22· · · · A.· · Patent owner.
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`23· · · · Q.· · And did you write any reports in
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`25· · · · A.· · No.
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`·2· · · · Q.· · Were you deposed in that
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`·3· ·indication?
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`·4· · · · A.· · No.
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`·5· · · · Q.· · And did you testify at trial in
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`·6· ·that case?
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`·7· · · · A.· · No.
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`·8· · · · Q.· · Is that case still pending?
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`·9· · · · A.· · No.
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`10· · · · Q.· · Do you know how that case was
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`11· ·resolved?
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`12· · · · A.· · In favor of the patent owner, to
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`13· ·my knowledge.
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`14· · · · Q.· · Was that a settlement?
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`15· · · · A.· · To my knowledge.
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`16· · · · Q.· · To your knowledge, have your
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`17· ·expert opinions ever been excluded by a
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`18· ·court?
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`19· · · · A.· · No.
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`20· · · · Q.· · To your knowledge, has a court
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`21· ·ever criticized your expert opinions?
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`22· · · · A.· · No.
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`23· · · · Q.· · So based on your testimony, it
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`24· ·looks like you've written one expert report
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`25· ·in those five cases, one of them led to an
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`·2· ·expert report; is that correct?
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`·3· · · · A.· · Yes.
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`·4· · · · Q.· · Are you relying on anything that
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`·5· ·you learned from these cases in rendering
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`·6· ·your opinions for these IPRs?
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`·7· · · · A.· · To my knowledge, no.
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`·8· · · · Q.· · Have you been retained by Toyota
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`·9· ·to serve as an expert in connection with
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`10· ·Inter Parte's review proceedings?
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`11· · · · A.· · Previously?
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`12· · · · Q.· · No.· I'm talking about now.
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`13· · · · A.· · Yes.
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`14· · · · Q.· · In particular, have you been
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`15· ·retained by Toyota to serve as an expert
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`16· ·with respect to IPR numbers 20130014,
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`17· ·201300415, and 201300417?
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`18· · · · A.· · Yes.
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`19· · · · Q.· · If I refer to those IPR numbers
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`20· ·today by the last three digits, so 414,
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`21· ·415, 417, will you understand what I'm
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`22· ·referring to?
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`23· · · · A.· · Yes.
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`24· · · · Q.· · Do you understand that based on
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`25· ·the agreement of the parties, that we're
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`·2· ·going to have one single transcript today,
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`·3· ·but we're going to be covering all three
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`·4· ·IPRs?
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`·5· · · · A.· · Yes.
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`·6· · · · Q.· · And when I'm talking about a
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`·7· ·specific IPR number, I'll call it out by
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`·8· ·number; or when I'm referring to a specific
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`·9· ·declaration or a specific patent, I'll call
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`10· ·it out by number.
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`11· · · · · · · But if you have questions about
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`12· ·which one I'm talking about, please just
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`13· ·let me know and I'll try and clarify,
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`14· ·although there is some overlap between the
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`15· ·three.
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`16· · · · A.· · Okay.
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`17· · · · Q.· · When were you retained to start
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`18· ·working on IPRs 414, 415 and 417?
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`19· · · · A.· · Approximately May of 2013.
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`20· · · · Q.· · Do you know who contacted you?
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`21· · · · A.· · A person at a search firm
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`22· ·looking for expert witnesses based out of
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`23· ·-- I believe, Florida.
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`24· · · · Q.· · Do you know the name of the
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`25· ·search firm?
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`·2· · · · A.· · I think it's IMS.
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`·3· · · · Q.· · "I," "M," as in "Mary"?
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`·4· · · · A.· · Yes.· "Ivan," "Mary," "Sammy."
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`·5· · · · Q.· · Do you remember the name of the
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`·6· ·person that contacted you?
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`·7· · · · A.· · No, ma'am.
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`·8· · · · Q.· · After you spoke with the person
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`·9· ·at IMS, did that person put you in contact
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`10· ·with lawyers at Kenyon & Kenyon?
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`11· · · · A.· · Eventually, yes.
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`12· · · · Q.· · Was there someone else they put
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`13· ·you in contact with first?
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`14· · · · A.· · No.
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`15· · · · Q.· · Who did you initially speak with
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`16· ·at Kenyon & Kenyon, do you remember?
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`17· · · · A.· · Yes.· I spoke with two
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`18· ·individuals, Tom Macon and Patrick -- I
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`19· ·just lost his last name, sorry.
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`20· · · · Q.· · Who has retained you?
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`21· · · · A.· · The law firm of Kenyon & Kenyon.
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`22· · · · Q.· · So your retention agreement is
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`23· ·with the law firm of Kenyon & Kenyon?
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`24· · · · A.· · Yes.
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`25· · · · Q.· · How much time did you spend
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`·2· ·preparing your declarations for all three
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`·3· ·of these IPRs, so I'm looking for a total
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`·4· ·time for all three declarations?
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`·5· · · · A.· · To prepare the declarations?
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`·6· · · · Q.· · To prepare the declarations.
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`·7· · · · A.· · About 35 to 40 hours.
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`·8· · · · Q.· · Did you do any work before you
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`·9· ·prepared the declarations or, you know,
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`10· ·preparatory work that you weren't including
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`11· ·in that 35 to 40 hours?
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`12· · · · A.· · No.
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`13· · · · Q.· · What hourly rate did you charge
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`14· ·to work on these IPRs?
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`15· · · · A.· · $500 an hour.
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`16· · · · Q.· · Is that the same, regardless
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`17· ·whether you're writing a declaration or
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`18· ·giving deposition testimony, the same rate?
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`19· · · · A.· · Yes, that's correct.
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`20· · · · Q.· · Is that your customary hourly
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`21· ·rate?
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`22· · · · A.· · Yes, it is.
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`23· · · · Q.· · Have you been paid for your
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`24· ·time, the time you spent working on these
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`25· ·IPRs?
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`·2· · · · A.· · Yes, I have.
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`·3· · · · Q.· · How much have you been paid?
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`·4· · · · A.· · Are you asking how much I've
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`·5· ·been paid in total since I began my
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`·6· ·relationship with Kenyon & Kenyon?
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`·7· · · · Q.· · Yes.
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`·8· · · · A.· · Approximately 40 hours times
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`·9· ·$500 -- I'm sorry, strike that.
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`10· · · · · · · Approximately 80 hours times
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`11· ·$500.
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`12· · · · Q.· · So I believe you testified
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`13· ·before you spent about 35 to 40 hours
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`14· ·preparing your declarations.
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`15· · · · · · · What was the other 40 hours?
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`16· · · · A.· · It was in reviewing the Board
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`17· ·decision, and in more review of my
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`18· ·declarations and more review of the
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`19· ·references.
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`20· · · · Q.· · Who do you send your invoices
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`21· ·to?
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`22· · · · A.· · To the young woman at IMS.
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`23· · · · Q.· · Does IMS then pay your invoices?
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`24· · · · A.· · Yes.
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`25· · · · Q.· · Did you prepare your
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`·2· ·declarations on your own?
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`·3· · · · A.· · I prepare the declarations as
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`·4· ·part of a team, with Kenyon & Kenyon.
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`·5· · · · Q.· · Did Kenyon & Kenyon attorneys
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`·6· ·provide you with any text to use in your
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`·7· ·declarations?
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`·8· · · · A.· · Any?
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`·9· · · · Q.· · Any text to use in your
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`10· ·declarations.
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`11· · · · A.· · Yes.
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`12· · · · Q.· · Do you know approximately how
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`13· ·much of the text they provided to you?
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`14· · · · A.· · No, I don't.· It was done
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`15· ·interactively by phone.
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`16· · · · Q.· · Did you have any in-person
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`17· ·meetings with the attorneys at Kenyon &
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`18· ·Kenyon?
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`19· · · · A.· · I have.
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`20· · · · Q.· · Did you have any in-person
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`21· ·meetings with the attorneys at Kenyon &
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`22· ·Kenyon to prepare your declaration?
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`23· · · · A.· · No.
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`24· · · · Q.· · So all your discussions
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`25· ·regarding your declaration occurred over
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`·2· ·the phone?
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`·3· · · · A.· · Yes.
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`·4· · · · Q.· · Did you find the prior art that
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`·5· ·you address in your three declarations?
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`·6· · · · A.· · The prior art was suggested to
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`·7· ·me by Kenyon & Kenyon, and I read all of
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`·8· ·that.
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`·9· · · · Q.· · Did you do any of your own
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`10· ·searching for prior art?
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`11· · · · A.· · No.
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`12· · · · Q.· · How many pieces of prior art did
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`13· ·the attorneys from Kenyon & Kenyon provide
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`14· ·to you?
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`15· · · · A.· · I would estimate 12 to 15 pieces
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`16· ·of prior art.
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`17· · · · Q.· · Total, for all three of the
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`18· ·IPRs?
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`19· · · · A.· · Yes.
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`20· · · · Q.· · And how did you determine which
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`21· ·prior art references to analyze in your
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`22· ·declarations?
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`23· · · · A.· · Interactively talking on the
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`24· ·phone, and also reading the three agreed
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`25· ·patents and determining which references
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`·2· ·were the most appropriate for the claims in
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`·3· ·those patents.
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`·4· · · · Q.· · Are the references that you
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`·5· ·opined on in your declaration for these
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`·6· ·three IPRs, in your opinion, the best
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`·7· ·references in terms of Toyota's invalidity
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`·8· ·positions with respect to these three IPRs?
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`·9· · · · A.· · Yes.
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`10· · · · Q.· · I am going to hand you what
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`11· ·Toyota has marked as Exhibit 1011 in IPR
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`12· ·414.
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`13· · · · · · · · · · ·(Toyota Exhibit 1011 for
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`14· ·identification in IPR 414, Declaration re
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`15· ·Case 414.)
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`16· ·BY MS. SAMZ:
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`17· · · · Q.· · Do you recognize that document?
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`18· · · · A.· · Yes, I do.
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`19· · · · Q.· · And what is that document, for
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`20· ·the record?
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`21· · · · A.· · It's a declaration with regard
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`22· ·to case 414.
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`23· · · · Q.· · Can you point out in this
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`24· ·declaration particular text that was
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`25· ·provided to you by the attorneys at Kenyon
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`·2· ·& Kenyon?
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`·3· · · · A.· · No, I can't.
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`·4· · · · Q.· · Can you make an estimate of how
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`·5· ·much of the text was provided to you by the
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`·6· ·attorneys of Kenyon & Kenyon?
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`·7· · · · A.· · Approximately half -- "at least
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`·8· ·half" is a better answer.
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`·9· · · · · · · But there was quite a bit of
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`10· ·discussion about different words, different
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`11· ·substitutions, different emphasis,
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`12· ·different claims from other references.
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`13· · · · Q.· · So approximately half.
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`14· · · · · · · Could it have been as high as
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`15· ·75 percent?
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`16· · · · A.· · Possibly.
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`17· · · · Q.· · How did Toyota provide this text
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`18· ·to you?· Did they send you copies?
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`19· · · · A.· · It was either sent by e-mail or
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`20· ·as an attachment to an e-mail, but I don't
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`21· ·recall.
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`22· · · · Q.· · Have you been retained by Toyota
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`23· ·for any other matters to serve as an expert
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`24· ·witness?
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`25· · · · A.· · No.
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`·2· · · · Q.· · Besides these three IPRs that
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`·3· ·you're working on, have you previously done
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`·4· ·any consulting work for Toyota?
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`·5· · · · A.· · I've done consulting work with
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`·6· ·one of their partially owned subsidiaries.
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`·7· · · · Q.· · What subsidiary?
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`·8· · · · A.· · The name of the company is
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`·9· ·A-I-S-I-N, A-W.
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`10· · · · Q.· · Can you pronounce that for the
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`11· ·record?
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`12· · · · A.· · Sure.· "Ice-in AW."
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`13· · · · Q.· · And when did you do this work?
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`14· · · · A.· · From 2001 to 2013.
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`15· · · · Q.· · What was the nature of this
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`16· ·work?
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`17· · · · A.· · It was in working with Aisin AW
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`18· ·with regard to their navigation product
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`19· ·line, and helping them to understand the
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`20· ·strategy to develop current and future
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`21· ·products, to also understand where to
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`22· ·invest to protect their business, also to
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`23· ·introduce them and help them understand how
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`24· ·to sell -- design and sell their products
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`25· ·for the North American market.
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`·2· · · · Q.· · This consulting work that you
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`·3· ·did for Aisin, were you actually doing any
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`·4· ·engineering designing of products for them?
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`·5· · · · A.· · I was sitting occasionally in
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`·6· ·design reviews, where we would discuss
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`·7· ·their products and discuss the -- some
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`·8· ·potential alternatives that they might
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`·9· ·consider to make their products more
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`10· ·efficient or more appealing or less costly.
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`11· · · · Q.· · So you would provide your input
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`12· ·on their design proposals?
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`13· · · · A.· · Yes, but that was not the major
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`14· ·part of what I did with them.· That was a
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`15· ·minor part of what I did with them.
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`16· · · · Q.· · What would you describe as the
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`17· ·major part of what you were doing with
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`18· ·them?
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`19· · · · A.· · It was more of a business
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`20· ·strategy, business development focus for
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`21· ·them.
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`22· · · · Q.· · Approximately how many hours
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`23· ·over the years do you think you spent
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`24· ·providing consulting services to Aisin?
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`25· · · · A.· · Approximately 5,000 hours.
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`·2· · · · Q.· · Was this work evenly distributed
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`·3· ·over the course of the years, or was it
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`·4· ·more heavy in the beginning and then kind
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`·5· ·of tapered off at the end?
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`·6· · · · A.· · It started modestly.· Grew in a
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`·7· ·few years to quite a bit, and then began to
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`·8· ·taper off in the last few years.
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`·9· · · · Q.· · And you said that relationship
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`10· ·ended in 2013?
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`11· · · · A.· · Yes.
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`12· · · · Q.· · When in 2013?
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`13· · · · A.· · Approximately March or April.
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`14· · · · Q.· · And why did your relationship
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`15· ·with Aisin end in March or April of 2013?
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`16· · · · A.· · Because they didn't need my help
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`17· ·anymore.
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`18· · · · Q.· · Did they provide a reason for
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`19· ·why they did not need your help anymore?
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`20· · · · A.· · Without being too specific, they
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`21· ·had some internal problems they had to
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`22· ·solve first.
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`23· · · · Q.· · Are you anticipating having any
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`24· ·further involvement in these IPR
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`25· ·proceedings after today deposition?
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`·2· · · · A.· · I don't know.
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`·3· · · · · · · · · · ·(Toyota Exhibit 2002 for
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`·4· ·identification in IPR 414, Summary of the
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`·5· ·PTAB's decisions, production numbers IPR
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`·6· ·2013414.)
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`·7· ·BY MS. SAMZ:
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`·8· · · · Q.· · I'm going to hand you what I've
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`·9· ·marked as IPR 2013 414, Exhibit 202.
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`10· · · · · · · Is this a document you prepared
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`11· ·in preparation for today's deposition?
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`12· · · · A.· · Yes.
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`13· · · · Q.· · Did you prepare this document or
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`14· ·did the attorneys at Kenyon & Kenyon
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`15· ·prepare it for you?
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`16· · · · A.· · We prepared it together.
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`17· · · · Q.· · Is this document a summary of
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`18· ·the PTAB's decisions?
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`19· · · · A.· · Yes.
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`20· · · · Q.· · And more specifically, is it a
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`21· ·summary of which references and which
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`22· ·claims remain at issue in each of the IPRs?
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`23· · · · A.· · It is what it says it is.
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`24· · · · Q.· · Did you prepare any other
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`25· ·documents in preparation for today's
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`·2· ·deposition?
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`·3· · · · A.· · No.
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`·4· · · · Q.· · And this is the only document
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`·5· ·you've brought with you to today's
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`·6· ·deposition?
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`·7· · · · A.· · Yes.
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`·8· · · · Q.· · I'm going to go back to what I
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`·9· ·gave you as Exhibit 1011, which was your
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`10· ·declaration.
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`11· · · · · · · Can you please go to the end of
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`12· ·your declaration, where your CV is located.
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`13· · · · A.· · I'm sorry, you said 0414?· Is
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`14· ·that what you said?
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`15· · · · Q.· · It's Exhibit 1011 in IPR 414,
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`16· ·which is your declaration; correct?
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`17· · · · A.· · Yes.· I'm sorry.
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`18· · · · Q.· · That's fine.
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`19· · · · · · · Can you please go to the end of
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`20· ·your declaration, where your CV is located?
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`21· · · · A.· · Yes.
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`22· · · · Q.· · Is everything in your CV
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`23· ·accurate?
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`24· · · · A.· · Yes.
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`25· · · · Q.· · Can you please turn to page 7 of
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`·2· ·your CV.
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`·3· · · · · · · On page 7 of your CV under
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`·4· ·"Publications and Presentations," you state
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`·5· ·you are the author of dozens and technical
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`·6· ·papers and invited presentations.
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`·7· · · · · · · Do you see that?
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`·8· · · · A.· · Yes.
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`·9· · · · Q.· · Approximately how many technical
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`10· ·papers have you written?
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`11· · · · A.· · I'd estimate 20 to 30.
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`12· · · · Q.· · Have these technical papers been
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`13· ·published in journals?
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`14· · · · A.· · Yes, some have been published in
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`15· ·journals.
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`16· · · · Q.· · Approximately how many have been
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`17· ·published in journals?
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`18· · · · A.· · Approximately 20.
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`19· · · · Q.· · Do you know which journals these
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`20· ·were published in?
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`21· · · · A.· · I can give you a sampling of the
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`22· ·kinds of journals, and the ones I think
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`23· ·that they would be published in.
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`24· · · · Q.· · Okay.
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`25· · · · A.· · The Convergence publication that
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`·2· ·occurs every two years, sponsored by the
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`·3· ·SAE and IEEE; SAE journals, Society of
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`·4· ·Automotive Engineer journals; IEEE
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`·5· ·journals; Journals of Material Science and
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`·6· ·Ceramics; Journals of Applied Physics, are
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`·7· ·examples.
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`·8· · · · Q.· · Do you know approximately when
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`·9· ·these various articles were published?
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`10· · · · A.· · I can tell you roughly when they
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`11· ·started and when they ended.
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`12· · · · Q.· · Okay.
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`13· · · · A.· · They started in approximately
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`14· ·1973 and ended in approximately 1999 or
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`15· ·2000.
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`16· · · · Q.· · In 1973, would that have been in
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`17· ·connection with any of your graduate work
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`18· ·and your Ph.D. work?
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`19· · · · A.· · Some of it, yes.
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`20· · · · Q.· · And then you say you had
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`21· ·publications all the way up until 1999?
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`22· · · · A.· · Yes.
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`23· · · · Q.· · But no publications after 1999?
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`24· · · · A.· · Not that I remember, no.
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`25· · · · Q.· · Is there a reason why you've
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`·2· ·chosen not to write any technical papers
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`·3· ·after 1999?
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`·4· · · · A.· · Yes.
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`·5· · · · Q.· · What is that reason?
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`·6· · · · A.· · Since 2001, when I have clients,
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`·7· ·I always have nondisclosure agreements with
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`·8· ·them.· And I try very hard not to ever
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`·9· ·disclose any information I get from the
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`10· ·clients.
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`11· · · · · · · If I either give a presentation
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`12· ·or sit on a panel or publish a paper, and
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`13· ·the client was to see that, it is not
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`14· ·always clear to the client where the
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`15· ·information came from.
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`16· · · · · · · And it is, to me, the best
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`17· ·solution for being ethical and fair to our
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`18· ·clients.
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`19· · · · Q.· · The 20 to 30 papers that you
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`20· ·wrote between 1973 and 1999, what was the
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`21· ·general subject matter of these papers?
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`22· · · · A.· · It would cover statistical
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`23· ·analysis of various experiments, they
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`24· ·covered different sensor fabrication
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`25· ·techniques and methods of manufacturing.
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`·1· · · · · · ·RALPH V. WILHELM, PH.D.
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`·2· · · · · · · They covered subsystem level use
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`·3· ·of these type of sensors.
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`·4· · · · Q.· · Did any of them cover diagnostic
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`·5· ·analysis, vehicle diagnostic analysis?
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`·6· · · · A.· · To some degree, in some of the
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`·7· ·cases that were talking about control
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`·8· ·theory and subsystems on a vehicle, there
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`·9· ·inherently always are diagnostics and DTCs.
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`10· · · · Q.· · Approximately how many of your
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`11· ·papers would have touched on vehicle
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`12· ·diagnostics?
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`13· · · · A.· · Approximately five to seven.
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`14· · · · Q.· ·
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