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`TOYOTA MOTOR CORPORATION
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`AMERICAN VEHICULAR SCIENCES
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`Lawrence Kennedy - Vol. 1
`May 15, 2014
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`IPR2013-00415 - Ex. 1024
`Toyota Motor Corp., Petitioner
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` UNITED STATES PATENT AND TRADEMARK OFFICE
` BEFORE THE PATENT TRIAL AND APPEAL BOARD
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`TOYOTA MOTOR CORPORATION, )
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` Petitioner, )
` ) Case No. IPR2013-00414
` -vs- ) Patent No. 7,630,803
` ) Issue Date: 12/8/2009
`AMERICAN VEHICULAR SCIENCES, )
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` Patent Owner. )
`_______________________________ )
`TOYOTA MOTOR CORPORATION, )
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` Petitioner, )
` ) Case No. IPR2013-00415
` -vs- ) Patent No. 7,650,210
` ) Issue Date: 1/19/2010
`AMERICAN VEHICULAR SCIENCES, )
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` Patent Owner. )
`_______________________________ )
`TOYOTA MOTOR CORPORATION, )
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` Petitioner, )
` ) Case No. IPR2013-00417
` -vs- ) Patent No. 8,036,788
` ) Issue Date: 10/11/2011
`AMERICAN VEHICULAR SCIENCES, )
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` Patent Owner. )
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` Audiotaped deposition of LAWRENCE KENNEDY,
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` A.D. 2014, at 9:11 a.m.
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` There were present at the taking of this
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` deposition the following counsel:
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` KENYON & KENYON LLP
` BY: MR. K. PATRICK HERMAN
` One Broadway
` New York, New York 10004-1007
` 212-425-7200
` pherman@kenyon.com
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` on behalf of the Petitioner;
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` McANDREWS HELD & MALLOY, LTD.
` BY: MS. STEPHANIE F. SAMZ
` MR. SCOTT P. McBRIDE
` 500 West Madison Street, 34th Floor
` Chicago, Illinois 60661
` 312-775-8000
` ssamz@mcandrews-ip.cpm
` smcbride@mcandrews-ip.cpm
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` on behalf of the Patent Owner.
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` ALSO PRESENT:
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` MR. KEVIN DUNCAN, Audio Monitor
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` WITNESS EXAMINATION
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` E X H I B I T S
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` DEPOSITION EXHIBIT FOR IDENTIFICATION
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` Exhibit 1012 - IPR2013-415, Defendants' 126
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` Invalidity Contentions and
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` Disclosures Pursuant to Patent
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` Rules 3-3 and 3-4
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` Exhibit 1013 - IPR2013-415, Exhibit C, Prior 132
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` Art to U.S. Patent Number
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` Exhibit 1014 - IPR2013-415, SAE Surface 333
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` Vehicle Recommended Practice,
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` Recommended Practice for
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` Diagnostic Trouble Code Definitions
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` AVS DEPOSITION EXHIBIT FIRST REFERRED TO
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` Exhibit 2004 - IPR2013-00414, Declaration of 10
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` Exhibit 2002 - IPR2013-0415, Declaration of 10
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` AVS DEPOSITION EXHIBIT FIRST REFERRED TO
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` Exhibit 2008 - IPR2013-00415, Declaration of 10
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` Exhibit 2002 - IPR2013-00417, Declaration of 10
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` TOYOTA DEPOSITION EXHIBIT FIRST REFERRED TO
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` Exhibit 1001 - IPR2013-00415, U.S. Patent 109
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` Number 7,650,210 B2
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` Exhibit 1010 - IPR2013-00415, Application 117
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` Data Sheet 37 CFR 1.76
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` Exhibit 1001 - IPR2013-00414, U.S. Patent 187
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` Number 7,630,802 B2
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` Exhibit 1003 - IPR2013-00415, U.S. Patent 256
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` Number 5,157,610
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` THE AUDIO MONITOR: Good morning. We are going
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` MR. HERMAN: Patrick Herman from Kenyon & Kenyon
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` here on behalf of petitioner Toyota Motor
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` MS. SAMZ: Stephanie Samz from McAndrews Held &
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` Malloy on behalf of patent owner American Vehicular
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` Sciences. And joining us today will be Scott
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` THE AUDIO MONITOR: Thank you, counsel.
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` The deponent is Mr. Lawrence Kennedy. Will the court
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` LAWRENCE KENNEDY,
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` called as a witness herein, having been first duly
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` water skiing.
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` A. Yes, I did review patent.
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` Q. All right. Now, in this case you've
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` Q. And now I'd like to give you copies --
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` MR. HERMAN: Okay. Well, why don't we --
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` Q. And that relates to Patent Number
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` Q. And this relates to U.S. Patent Number
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` support of AVS's response to Toyota's Petition for
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` Case Number 2013-415, is that right?
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` Q. And it's been designated AVS Exhibit 2008.
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` A. Yes, that's correct.
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` A. Yes.
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` A. Yes, I would.
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` Q. And this has been designated AVS Exhibit
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` 2002, is that right?
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` case. This is Exhibit 2002 in that 417 case, okay?
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` 2002 in the 417 case --
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` is that right?
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` A. To amend the claims.
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` Q. Yes.
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` that you've submitted on behalf of AVS, is that
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` A. Yes, that's correct.
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` Q. Okay. And these four declarations contain
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` A. Yes.
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` Q. All right. Now, in this declaration,
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` A. Yes, that's correct.
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` A. Yes, that's correct, Attachment A.
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` besides what's listed here?
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` A. I do not.
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` college education. Where did you go to college?
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` A. I received my Bachelor's of Science degree
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` A. Not to automotive sensors, that's correct.
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` A. Sensors in general, yes.
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` Master's degree in 2012, is that right?
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` A. That is correct.
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` Q. And where did you obtain that degree?
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` Q. And when did you take those courses?
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` Q. Okay. Anything else besides those
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` systems architecting and engineering. Systems
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` A. Yes, that is correct.
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` Master's.
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` Q. Okay. And what role did you think the
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` Q. And what was your first job title?
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