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`SOFTVIEW, LLC, )
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` Plaintiff, )
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` vs. ) Case No. 10-389-LPS
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`APPLE, INC., and AT&T MOBILITY,) Pages 274 thru 550
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`LLC, et al., )
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` Defendants. )
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`_______________________________)
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` *** CONFIDENTIAL - ATTORNEYS' EYES ONLY ***
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` 30(b)(6) VIDEOTAPED DEPOSITION
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` (ORIGINAL EXHIBITS BOUND SEPARATELY)
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`Reported By:
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`LANA L. LOPER, RMR, CRR, CCP, CME, CLR, CSR No. 9667
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` JAN BROWN & ASSOCIATES
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` WORLDWIDE DEPOSITION & VIDEOGRAPHY SERVICES
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`701 Battery Street, 3rd Floor, San Francisco, CA 94111
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` (415) 981-3498 or (800) 522-7096
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`Kyocera - Softview
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`SOFTVIEW, LLC, )
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`APPLE, INC., and AT&T MOBILITY,) Pages 274 thru 550
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`_______________________________)
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` *** CONFIDENTIAL - ATTORNEYS' EYES ONLY ***
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` 30(b)(6) VIDEOTAPED DEPOSITION
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` February 16, 2013
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` (ORIGINAL EXHIBITS BOUND SEPARATELY)
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`Reported By:
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`LANA L. LOPER, RMR, CRR, CCP, CME, CLR, CSR No. 9667
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` JAN BROWN & ASSOCIATES
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` WORLDWIDE DEPOSITION & VIDEOGRAPHY SERVICES
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`701 Battery Street, 3rd Floor, San Francisco, CA 94111
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` (415) 981-3498 or (800) 522-7096
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`EXHIBIT 19 Defendants' Notice of Rule 285
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` 30(B)(6) Deposition of
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` SoftView LLC re Secondary
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` BE IT REMEMBERED that, pursuant to Notice of
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` Taking Deposition and on Saturday, February 16, 2013,
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` commencing at the hour of 9:48 a.m., at 1800 Avenue
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` of the Stars, 9th Floor, before me, Lana L. Loper,
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` RMR, CRR, CCP, CME, CLR, CSR No. 9667, there
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` GARY ROHRABAUGH
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` called as a witness by the Defendants, and who, having
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`APPEARANCES OF COUNSEL:
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` HERBERT H. FINN, Attorney at Law, of
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`Huawei Technologies and FutureWei Technologies, Inc.
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`Rohrabaugh, Gary 30(b)(6) 2/16/2013 8:38:00 AM
` FEBRUARY 16, 2013 - SATURDAY
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` P R O C E E D I N G S
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` THE VIDEOGRAPHER: Good morning. We are on the
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` Here marks the beginning of Videotape No. 1,
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`Volume II, in the 30(b)(6) deposition of Mr. Gary
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` We're located at the law firm of Irell &
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` Would counsel please identify themselves and
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`Crutcher, on behalf of Apple, and AT&T with respect to
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` MR. BOICE: Bill Boice, on behalf of Motorola
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` MR. YOUNG: Dan Young, with Kilpatrick Townsend,
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` MR. ALEMANNI: John Alemanni, with Kilpatrick
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`Townsend, on behalf of Motorola.
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` MR. CARLSON: Eric Carlson, of Katten, Muchin &
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`Rosenman, on behalf of the Kyocera defendants.
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` MR. FINN: Herbert Finn, from Greenberg Traurig,
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` MS. SESSIONS: Justina Sessions, from Keker &
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`Van Nest, on behalf of the HTC defendants.
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` MS. PEHRSON: Elizabeth Pehrson, from
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`Covington & Burling, on behalf of the Samsung defendants.
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` MS. GARRIGAN: Cathleen Garrigan, from Farella,
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`Braun & Martel, on behalf of Dell, Inc.
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` MR. LU: Samuel Lu, of Irell & Manella, on
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`behalf of SoftView.
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` THE WITNESS: Gary Rohrabaugh, and I'm SoftView.
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` THE VIDEOGRAPHER: Thank you.
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` And if there are no stipulations, would the
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` GARY ROHRABAUGH,
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` having been first administered an oath
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` in accordance with CCP Section 2094, was
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` examined and testified as follows:
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` EXAMINATION
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`BY MS. WATKINS:
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` Q Good morning, Mr. Rohrabaugh. We met this
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`morning. My name is Alison Watkins, and I represent
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`Apple, and AT&T with respect to the Apple products.
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` I understand my colleague, Mr. Rosenberg, went
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`through some of the ground rules for deposition
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`yesterday.
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` You understand that you're still under oath,
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`correct?
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` A That's correct.
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` Q And are you taking any medication today that
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`would affect your ability to give testimony this morning?
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` A No.
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` Q Do you understand that you're here to testify on
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`behalf of SoftView?
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` A Yes.
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` MS. WATKINS: I'm going to mark Exhibit 19.
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` (Defendants' Exhibit 19 was marked for
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` identification.)
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` MR. LU: Ms. Watkins, do you have a copy for me?
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`Kyocera - Softview
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`Unsigned
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`they would come up with it, and I would chuckle, but I
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`never told them why.
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` Q What do you mean, "when they came up with it"?
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` A When they walked up with their phone and they
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`wanted to show me how cool it was.
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` Q Do you have an iPhone?
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` A No, I do not.
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` Q What kind of phone do you have?
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` A I have a TracFone, and it actually belongs to my
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`wife. I do not personally own a cell phone.
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` Q And by a "TracFone," it's not a smartphone?
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` A No.
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` Q When did you first start investigating whether
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`Apple infringed?
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` A Specifically, when Steve Jobs stood on stage and
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`did the announcement of the iPhone.
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` Q The first iPhone?
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` A Yes.
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` Q Has your opinion about Apple's alleged
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`infringement changed over time?
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` MR. LU: Objection. Vague.
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` THE WITNESS: Yeah, could you be more specific?
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`BY MS. WATKINS:
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` Q Well, when you first began investigating whether
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`Apple's products infringed, was it your opinion that they
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