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` UNITED STATES PATENT AND TRADEMARK OFFICE
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` BEFORE THE PATENT TRIAL AND APPEAL BOARD
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` IBG LLC, INTERACTIVE BROKERS LLC,
`TRADESTATION GROUP, INC., TRADESTATION SECURITIES, INC.,
` TRADESTATION TECHNOLOGIES, INC., and IBFX, INC.,
` Petitioners,
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` v.
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` TRADING TECHNOLOGIES INTERNATIONAL, INC.,
` Patent Owner.
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` CBM2015-00179 (Patent No. 7,533,056 B2)
` CBM2015-00181 (Patent No. 7,676,411 B2)
` CBM2015-00182 (Patent No. 6,772,132 B1)
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` June 6, 2016
` 10:30 a.m.
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` TELECONFERENCE IN THE ABOVE MATTER
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` BEFORE: MEREDITH C. PETRAVICK
` SALLY C. MEDLEY
` JEREMY M. PLENZLER
` Administrative Patent Judges
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`CBM2015-00181
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` APPEARANCES:
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` STERNE, KESSLER, GOLDSTEIN & FOX, P.L.L.C.
` BY: LORI A. GORDON, ESQUIRE
` ROBERT E. SOKOHL, ESQUIRE
` 1100 New York Avenue, N.W.
` Washington, D.C. 20005-3934
` 202-371-2600
` lgordon-ptab@skgf.com
` rsokohl-ptab@skgf.com
` Representing the Petitioners
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` FINNEGAN, HENDERSON, FARABOW, GARRETT &
` DUNNER, LLP
` BY: RACHEL L. EMSLEY, ESQUIRE
` JOSHUA L. GOLDBERG, ESQUIRE
` Two Seaport Lane
` Boston, MA 02210-2001
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` joshua.goldberg@finnegan.com
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` JUDGE PETRAVICK: Good morning.
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` MS. GORDON: Good morning.
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` JUDGE PETRAVICK: This is Judge
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` Petravick. With me on the telephone are Judges
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` Medley and Plenzler. We're here for CBM2015-00179,
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` '181, and '182.
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` I understand there is a dispute about
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` the length of a deposition. We got an e-mail from
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` Petitioner, could you tell us who's
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` MS. GORDON: Yes, Your Honor. This
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` is Lori Gordon from Sterne Kessler. I'm here with
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` Rob Sokohl, and I'm going to be presenting on behalf
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` of the Petitioners today.
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` JUDGE PETRAVICK: Okay.
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` And for the Patent Owner?
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` MS. EMSLEY: Good morning, Your
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` Honor. This is Rachel Emsley for the Patent Owner,
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` and with me is Josh Goldberg.
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` JUDGE PETRAVICK: Is there anybody
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` else on the line?
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` THE COURT REPORTER: Your Honor, good
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` morning. This is Susan, the court reporter.
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` JUDGE PETRAVICK: Thank you.
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` And who arranged for the court
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` MS. GORDON: Petitioners did, Your
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` Honor.
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` JUDGE PETRAVICK: And you'll file the
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` transcript afterwards?
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` MS. GORDON: Yes, we will.
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` JUDGE PETRAVICK: Thank you.
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` Petitioner, since you sent us the
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` e-mail, we'll hear from you first.
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` MS. GORDON: Okay. Thank you, Your
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` Honor.
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` There are actually three topics that
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` we'd like to raise with the Board today.
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` The first, since Mr. Kawashima is a
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` we believe that he is going to be interested in
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` requesting a translator for the deposition.
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` In accordance with Rule 4253, there's
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` can consider this as our call on the interpreter
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` JUDGE PETRAVICK: Does the Patent
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` Owner object to a translator? Would the Patent
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` Owner object to a translator?
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` MS. EMSLEY: No, we wouldn't object.
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` If there is a translator, we will have a check
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` JUDGE PETRAVICK: That's fine.
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` Then we would consider this your
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` MS. GORDON: Okay. Thank you, Your
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` Honor.
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` The second issue that we wanted to
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` get guidance on related to handling any issues that
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` might arise during the deposition.
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` The process of getting Mr. Kawashima,
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` who's a Japanese resident, to agree to another
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` deposition on this matter has been quite difficult
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` and he recently agreed to be deposed in the
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` continental U.S. and that actually removes a lot of
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` the travel burden on both parties, including the
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` Patent Owner.
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` But given the unique circumstances of
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` this deposition, the fact that Mr. Kawashima is
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` traveling from Japan, we will only have a day with
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` So if any issues arise, it would be
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` helpful to have a procedure or understand the
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` procedure to get in contact with the Board so we
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` The deposition is going to be in
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` So we were just seeking guidance from
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` mechanism for us to contact the panel.
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` JUDGE PETRAVICK: Well, we don't
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` expect any issues to arise. We expect the parties
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` to follow the Trial Practice Guide, which says that
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` you should object, have the witness answer the
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` Our trial phone is staffed, you know,
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` pretty late at night with a lot of our paralegals.
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` Practice Guide and we should not have to have a
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` MS. GORDON: Okay. Thank you, Your
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` Honor. We certainly will try. We've had
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` negotiations with the other side related to scope,
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` but at times issues do arise. So I appreciate the
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` guidance.
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` So turning to the duration of the
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` deposition, the parties have tentatively -- or
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` prior art and, specifically in the petition or
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` statement, that TSE was published in August of 1998
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` as well as, of course, the credibility of
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` resident coming from a very long distance, we don't
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` feel that seven hours is required.
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` In fact, if you look at the
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` deposition transcript, this portion of the
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` deposition really finished in three pages of
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` testimony, which was only about 24 lines per page,
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` and it was before the first break that this
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` Now, we understand that there's going
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` to be translators and check translators, which will
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` the very narrow scope of this deposition to put a
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` JUDGE PETRAVICK: Patent Owner, we'll
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` hear from you on this topic now.
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` MS. EMSLEY: Sure. Our position is
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` is narrow. And we don't intend to wear down the
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` necessary.
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` But there are other factors at play
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` some unknown number of to-be-filed proceedings. One
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` JUDGE PETRAVICK: Petitioner, any
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` last thoughts?
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` MS. GORDON: Yes, Your Honor. I'd
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` First, the issue that Ms. Emsley
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` JUDGE PETRAVICK: I have a question
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` Owner to extend the time period of more than four
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` MS. GORDON: Yes, Your Honor. We
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` would be reasonable if something came up related to
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` JUDGE PETRAVICK: All right. Thank
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` JUDGE PETRAVICK: Hello?
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` MS. GORDON: Yes.
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` JUDGE PETRAVICK: Is counsel for
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` Petitioners still there, Ms. Gordon?
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` And, Ms. Emsley, are you still there?
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` MS. GORDON: Yes.
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` MS. EMSLEY: Yes.
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` JUDGE PETRAVICK: Okay. We have
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` MS. EMSLEY: Yes, Your Honor.
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` MS. GORDON: Thank you, Your Honor.
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` JUDGE PETRAVICK: All right. Before
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` MS. GORDON: Yes, Your Honor.
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` JUDGE PETRAVICK: You filed a request
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` MS. GORDON: Yes, we did.
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` JUDGE PETRAVICK: So if Mr. Kawashima
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` MS. GORDON: Yes, Your Honor. In the
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` JUDGE PETRAVICK: Thank you.
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` Let me ask a question: Would you
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` MS. GORDON: Yes, we can withdraw it.
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` What's the mechanism you would like us to follow to
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` JUDGE PETRAVICK: Just a second,
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` MS. GORDON: Okay.
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` JUDGE PETRAVICK: We'll consider the
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` MS. GORDON: Okay. So, yes, we agree
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` to withdraw it.
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` JUDGE PETRAVICK: Is there any other
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` MS. EMSLEY: Your Honor, there --
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` MS. GORDON: Thank you.
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` Not from Petitioners, Your Honor,
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` thank you.
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` JUDGE PETRAVICK: From the Patent
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` Owner?
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` MS. EMSLEY: Yes, Your Honor; just
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` here about Mr. Kawashima's testimony.
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` We didn't have a chance to exchange
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` due date for our Patent Owner responses.
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` June 17 is the only day that
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` Mr. Kawashima is available and that's actually the
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` we wanted to seek your guidance on getting an
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` on discovery issues that Your Honor is also aware of
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` for documents that were produced in the District
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` potentially being produced into the PTAB.
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` But we feel like we should perhaps
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` least initially for Mr. Kawashima's testimony while
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` JUDGE PETRAVICK: Your request is
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` other parties first.
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` MS. EMSLEY: Okay. Just to be clear,
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` we have conferred with the other side. We have --
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` well, let me back up.
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` They had agreed or we had agreed to a
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` MS. EMSLEY: Well, we want to put
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` JUDGE PETRAVICK: Then we expect you
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` MS. EMSLEY: Okay. We can do that.
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` Thank you, Your Honor.
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` JUDGE PETRAVICK: All right. Let me
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` query my panel very quickly and see if they have any
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` All right. So I'd like the
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` That is all for today. We are
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` MS. EMSLEY: Okay. Thank you, Your
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` Honor.
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` MS. GORDON: Thank you.
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` I, Susan Marie Migatz, RMR, CRR, do hereby
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` certify the foregoing is a true and correct
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` transcript from the conference call held in the
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` proceedings in the above-entitled matter.
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` <%signature%> June 6, 2016
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` ____________________________ _________________
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