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` UNITED STATES PATENT AND TRADEMARK OFFICE
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` BEFORE THE PATENT TRIAL AND APPEAL BOARD
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`APPLE, INC., SAMSUNG ELECTRONICS LTD, AND SAMSUNG
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` ELECTRONICS AMERICA, INC., AND GOOGLE, INC.
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` Petitioner,
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` Patent Owner.
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` Case CBM2015-00031, Case CBM2015-00032
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` Patent 8,336,772 B2
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` APPLE, INC., Petitioner,
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` SMARTFLASH LLC, Patent Owner.
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` Case CBM2015-00133, Patent 8,336,772 B2
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` The challenge to claims 5 and 10 based on 35
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`U.S.C. § 101 in CBM2015-00059 has been consolidated
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`with this proceeding.
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` The challenge to claims 1, 5, 9, and 10 based
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`on 35 U.S.C. § 101 in CBM2015- 00132 has been consolidated
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`with this proceeding.
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` The challenge to claim 14 based on 35 U.S.C.
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`§ 101 in CBM2015-00059 has been consolidated with this
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`proceeding.
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` The challenge to claims 14, 21, and 22 based on
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`35 U.S.C. § 101 in CBM2015-00132 has been consolidated
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`with this proceeding.
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` A P P E A R A N C E S
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` APPLE, INC.:
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` P R O C E E D I N G S
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` JUDGE ELLURU: This is Judge Elluru,
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`along with Judge Bisk and Judge Anderson. We are
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`here today in the matters of Apple, Inc., Samsung
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`Electronics, Limited, Samsung Electronics America,
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`Inc. and Google versus Smartflash, LLC, Case
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`Numbers CBM2015-00131, 00132 and 00133.
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`counsel. Could petitioners identify themselves
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`starting with Petitioner Apple.
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` MR. BAUGHMAN: Yes, your Honor, Steve
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`Baughman and Megan Raymond for Apple.
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` JUDGE ELLURU: Thank you. Will anybody
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` MR. BAUGHMAN: I don't believe so for
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`Apple. Thank you, your Honor.
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` JUDGE ELLURU: Do you have a court
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`reporter on the line?
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` MR. BAUGHMAN: Not for Apple, your Honor,
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`but I believe Patent Owner does.
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` JUDGE ELLURU: Thank you. And for
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`Petitioner Google.
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` MR. HOLMES: Yes, your Honor. This is
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`Drew Holmes on behalf of Google. And with me today
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`is Kevin Smith and Adam Botzenhart. And there will
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` JUDGE ELLURU: Thank you, Mr. Holmes.
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`And for Patent Owner.
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` MR. CASEY: Your Honor, there's still
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` JUDGE ELLURU: I don't believe they're on
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` MR. PATRICK: Yes, your Honor, that's
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` MR. CASEY: Your Honor, I reached out to
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`Samsung because 059 was joined with 32 and 31, so
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`they are a petitioner in 31 and 32.
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` But if I should haven't, I apologize,
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`your Honor. But I wanted to make sure all parties
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` MR. CASEY: This is Michael Casey, your
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`Honor, on behalf of Patent Owner, Smartflash. And
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` JUDGE ELLURU: Thank you. And Mr. Casey,
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`could you please file that transcript of today's
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` MR. CASEY: Yes, your Honor.
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` JUDGE ELLURU: -- in the record for these
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`that if we schedule a teleconference in these
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`cases, it should not be taken lightly. Our email
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` It is no small feat to coordinate the
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`trying to accommodate the parties' specific
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`its views or object to the representations by the
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`other parties. So I hope that's clear.
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` Are there any questions starting with
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`Petitioner Apple?
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` MR. BAUGHMAN: No, your Honor.
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` JUDGE ELLURU: Petitioner Google?
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`of Google. I do want to apologize for the
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`confusion last week and the inconvenience.
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`ITR -- I'm sorry, CBM2015-00132 because we
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`challenge Claims 9 and 21 of Patent 8,336,772?
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`event, didn't you specifically ask to join those
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`let counsel for Apple step in at some point, but
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`petition 133 on Claims 9 and 21, that there was
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` And I will take a step back, which is
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` MR. HOLMES: Yeah. We are saying that
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`we're not opposed to Apple's request on that. That
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`as you were aware of the 31 and 32 petitions.
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`132 petition. So how come wait until now? How
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` MR. HOLMES: If I'm understanding your
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`I think before this time frame. We still I believe
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` JUDGE ELLURU: Does Petitioner Apple have
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`one of the briefs suggesting that there hadn't been
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`that was probably an oversight that may have
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` JUDGE ELLURU: And Mr. Casey, does
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` MR. CASEY: Given that the only other
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` MR. BAUGHMAN: Yes, your Honor.
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` JUDGE ELLURU: Counsel for Google?
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` MR. HOLMES: Yes, your Honor.
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` MR. PATRICK: Yes, your Honor.
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` MR. CASEY: Yes, your Honor.
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` JUDGE ELLURU: The panel has conferred.
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`We will move the review of Claims 9 and 21 in the
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` MR. HOLMES: No, your Honor. Thank you.
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` JUDGE ELLURU: Petitioner Samsung?
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` JUDGE ELLURU: And our order will make
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`claim
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`claims
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`clear
`8:14 18:1
`come
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`coming
`12:11 15:8
`commission
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`concluded
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`confer
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`Board
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`briefing
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`schedule
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`seal
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`set
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`real
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`receive
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`record
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`relaying
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`reporter
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`representations
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`request
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`requests
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`respect
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`respectively
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`please
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`position
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`prefer
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`present
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`probably
`15:3
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`CERTIFICATE OF SERVICE
`The undersigned hereby certifies that the transcript of the teleconference for
`CBM2015-00031, -00032, -00132 and -00133 on December 14, 2015 was served
`today, by agreement of the parties by emailing a copy to counsel for the Petitioners
`as follows:
`
`
`J. Steven Baughman (steven.baughman@ropesgray.com)
`Ching-Lee Fukuda (ching-lee.fukuda@ropesgray.com)
`Megan Raymond (megan.raymond@ropesgray.com)
`ApplePTABService-SmartFlash@ropesgray.com
`Attorneys for Petitioner Apple Inc.
`
`Walter Renner (renner@fr.com)
`Thomas Rozylowicz (rozylowicz@fr.com)
`CBM39843-0008CP3@fr.com
`Attorneys for Petitioners Samsung Electronics Co., Ltd. and Samsung Electronics
`America, Inc.
`
`Raymond Nimrod (raynimrod@quinnemanuel.com)
`QE-SF-PTAB-Service@quinnemanuel.com
`Attorneys for Petitioner Google Inc.
`
`Dated: February 11, 2016
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`/ Michael R. Casey /
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`Michael R. Casey
`Registration No. 40,294
`Davidson Berquist Jackson &
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`Gowdey, LLP
`8300 Greensboro Drive
`Suite 500
`McLean, VA 22102
`Telephone: (571) 765-7705
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`Email: mcasey@dbjg.com
`Attorney for Patent Owner