`
`UNITED STATES PATENT AND TRADEMARK OFFICE
`
`______________
`
`BEFORE THE PATENT TRIAL AND APPEAL BOARD
`
`______________
`
`AMERICAN EXPRESS COMPANY, AMERICAN EXPRESS TRAVEL
`RELATED SERVICES COMPANY, INC., EXPEDIA, INC., HOTELS.COM LP,
`HOTELS.COM GP, LLC, HOTWIRE, INC., ORBITZ WORLDWIDE, INC.,
`PRICELINE.COM, INC., TRAVELOCITY.COM LP, and YAHOO! INC.
`Petitioner
`
`v.
`
`METASEARCH SYSTEMS, LLC
`Patent Owner
`______________
`
`Case CBM2014-00001
`Patent 8,326,924 B1
`______________
`
`PETITIONER’S RESPONSE TO PATENT OWNER’S
`MOTION FOR OBSERVATIONS ON CROSS-EXAMINATION
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`TABLE OF CONTENTS
`
` Page(s)
`
`METASEARCH’S OBSERVATIONS ARE IMPROPER ............................. 1
`A. Metasearch Delayed Deposing Mr. Liao .............................................. 1
`B.
`Observation #7 Goes Beyond Reply Testimony ................................... 3
`C.
`An Observation Is Not A Motion To Exclude ...................................... 3
`PETITIONER’S RESPONSES TO
`METASEARCH’S OBSERVATIONS ........................................................... 4
`1. Mr. Liao’s Qualifications ...................................................................... 4
`2.
`Personal Experience With E-Commerce Combination ......................... 6
`3.
`Person Having Ordinary Skill In The Art ............................................. 8
`4.
`Obviousness Standard ........................................................................... 9
`5. Mr. Liao’s First-Hand Knowledge Broker Experience .......................10
`6. Mr. Liao’s First-Hand Mamma.com Experience ................................11
`7.
`Knowledge Broker Sub-problems .......................................................13
`8.
`Knowledge Broker Searches Web Crawlers .......................................15
`
`
`
`i
`
`I.
`
`II.
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`TABLE OF AUTHORITIES
`
` Page(s)
`
`Cases
`Respironics, Inc. v. ZOLL Medical Corporation,
`IPR2013-00322, Paper 26 (PTAB May 7, 2014) .......................................... 1, 2, 3
`Regulations
`Official Trial Practice Guide,
`77 Fed. Reg. 48756 (Aug. 14, 2012) ............................................................. 1, 2, 4
`
`
`
`
`
`
`ii
`
`
`
`
`
`Petitioner hereby responds to Patent Owner’s (“Metasearch’s”) Motion for
`
`Observations on Cross-Examination of Petitioners’ Reply Witness Mr. Gary Liao.
`
`(Paper 60.) Mr. Liao submitted in this proceeding a first declaration, Exhibit 1009,
`
`in support of the Petition and a supplemental declaration, Exhibit 1042, in support
`
`of Petitioner’s Reply to Patent Owner’s Response to the Petition (“Petitioner’s
`
`Reply”) (Paper 52) and Petitioner’s Opposition to Patent Owner’s Motion to
`
`Amend (Paper 51). Mr. Liao was deposed on September 26, 2014. The transcript
`
`of this deposition was filed as Exhibit 2043, and an errata sheet of the transcript is
`
`filed herewith as Exhibit 1050.
`
`I. METASEARCH’S OBSERVATIONS ARE IMPROPER
`A. Metasearch Delayed Deposing Mr. Liao
`Motions for observations are intended to address cross-examination that
`
`
`
`must occur after the filing of a party’s final substantive paper on an issue. Official
`
`Trial Practice Guide, 77 Fed. Reg. 48756, 48767-8 (Aug. 14, 2012) (Motions for
`
`observations are appropriate “[i]n the event that cross-examination occurs after a
`
`party has filed its last substantive paper on an issue.” (emphasis added)).
`
`Metasearch’s motion is therefore properly limited to cross-examination testimony
`
`directed to issues raised first in Petitioner’s Reply. See Respironics, Inc. v. ZOLL
`
`Medical Corporation, IPR2013-00322, Paper 26, 2-4 (PTAB May 7, 2014).
`
`Although Mr. Liao’s first declaration filed in this proceeding included
`
`PETITIONER’S RESPONSE TO PATENT OWNER’S
`MOTION FOR OBSERVATIONS ON CROSS-EXAMINATION
`
`Page 1
`
`
`
`statements detailing Mr. Liao’s technical experience (Ex. 1009 ¶¶ 1-3), mapping
`
`the Knowledge Broker and Mamma.com references to claim 1 (id. at 14-17), and
`
`applying his understanding of the level of skill in the art to exhibits in the record
`
`(id. ¶¶ 4, 6 & 20), Metasearch chose not to depose Mr. Liao on this testimony
`
`during the appropriate discovery period. See Respironics, Inc., IPR2013-00322 at
`
`2-3 (describing “two discovery periods for a patent owner” and not authorizing
`
`cross-examination of expert during second discovery period on declaration
`
`submitted with the Petition). Instead, Metasearch delayed deposing Mr. Liao until
`
`after Petitioner had filed its last substantive paper—Petitioner’s Reply—which is
`
`an improper use of a motion for observations. See id. at 4 (recognizing Patent
`
`Owner may have chosen to delay deposing expert and requiring observations be
`
`limited to testimony concerning Petitioner’s Reply). Metasearch’s Observations
`
`consequently raise new issues and are argumentative, which is also improper.
`
`Official Trial Practice Guide, 77 Fed. Reg. at 48768.
`
`
`
`In particular, Observations # 1, 2, 3, 5, and 6 relate to issues first presented
`
`by Mr. Liao in his declaration submitted with the Petition (Ex. 1009). These
`
`Observations make new arguments not already in the record and are not limited to
`
`new material presented in Petitioner’s Reply. These Observations are therefore
`
`beyond the proper scope of a motion for observations. For at least these reasons,
`
`the Board should disregard these Observations.
`
`PETITIONER’S RESPONSE TO PATENT OWNER’S
`MOTION FOR OBSERVATIONS ON CROSS-EXAMINATION
`
`Page 2
`
`
`
`B. Observation #7 Goes Beyond Reply Testimony
`Metasearch’s Observation #7 is directed to testimony describing Exhibit
`
`
`
`1045, which was not relied on in Petitioner’s Reply. (See Paper 52.) If
`
`Metasearch wished to present to the Board Mr. Liao’s testimony regarding the
`
`teachings of Exhibit 1045, that argument should have been presented in
`
`Metasearch’s Reply to Petitioner’s Opposition to the Motion to Amend, which was
`
`filed after Mr. Liao’s deposition. Respironics, Inc., IPR2013-00322 at 3-4
`
`(requiring Patent Owner to “address the testimony of Petitioner’s expert on matters
`
`concerning the substitute claims proposed in the motion to amend in Patent
`
`Owner’s Reply” since cross-examination occurred before Patent Owner’s last
`
`substantive paper on the motion to amend.) Metasearch’s Observation #7 is
`
`therefore improper and should not be considered by the Board.
`
`C. An Observation Is Not A Motion To Exclude
`Metasearch chose not to object to Mr. Liao’s first declaration filed with the
`
`
`
`Petition. Metasearch has filed no motion to exclude either of Mr. Liao’s
`
`declarations. (Motions to exclude were due October 16, 2014. (See Papers 37 &
`
`38.)) Metasearch’s observations purport to challenge Mr. Liao’s qualifications as
`
`an expert and the reliability of his statements and opinions. A motion for
`
`observation on cross-examination is not the proper procedure for objecting to the
`
`admissibility of exhibits or expert testimony. Official Trial Practice Guide, 77 Fed.
`
`PETITIONER’S RESPONSE TO PATENT OWNER’S
`MOTION FOR OBSERVATIONS ON CROSS-EXAMINATION
`
`Page 3
`
`
`
`Reg. at 48768 (“An observation . . . is not an opportunity to . . . pursue
`
`objections.”).
`
`In particular, Observations # 1, 3, 4, 5, and 6 challenge Mr. Liao’s expertise
`
`as well as the basis for and reliability of his opinions. Metasearch improperly
`
`attempts to use these Observations to object to the admissibility of Mr. Liao’s
`
`testimony. These Observations are also argumentative and raise new issues. For at
`
`least these reasons, the Board should disregard these Observations.
`
`II. PETITIONER’S RESPONSES TO METASEARCH’S OBSERVATIONS
`1. Mr. Liao’s Qualifications
`Metasearch cites to Mr. Liao’s testimony regarding his experience with
`
`
`
`search and metasearch engines before the year 2000 and contends this testimony
`
`“establishes that Mr. Liao lacks the necessary qualifications to be considered an
`
`expert in the field encompassed in the ’924 patent.”
`
`This observation is improper and should be disregarded by the Board. (See
`
`supra Sections I.A & I.C.) Further, contrary to Metasearch’s contention, Mr.
`
`Liao’s testimony establishes that he possesses the relevant skills, experience, and
`
`training to qualify as an expert in this proceeding and that Mr. Liao had specific
`
`experience prior to the year 2000 with searching and metasearching technologies.
`
`Mr. Liao’s declarations introduce the wide-ranging hands-on experience he
`
`acquired working as a software engineer for several tech companies, including
`
`PETITIONER’S RESPONSE TO PATENT OWNER’S
`MOTION FOR OBSERVATIONS ON CROSS-EXAMINATION
`
`Page 4
`
`
`
`Advanced Micro Devices, Integrated Surgical Systems, Inc., DAT Services, Inc.,
`
`and Intel Corp. (Ex. 1009 ¶¶ 1-3; Ex. 1042 ¶¶ 1-3.) In addition to his broad-based
`
`training, Mr. Liao has specific experience designing, implementing, testing and
`
`maintaining e-commerce Web sites. (Ex. 1009 ¶ 3; Ex. 1042 ¶ 3; Ex. 2043 at
`
`10:19-11:17; 11:23-12:18.) Mr. Liao participated in the decision-making process
`
`behind the implementation of these e-commerce Web sites, as well as the customer
`
`order processing features of some of these Web sites. (Ex. 2043 at 11:23-12:18.)
`
`Mr. Liao also testified that by the year 2000 he understood the technologies
`
`underlying search engines, metasearch engines, and database querying.
`
`Specifically, Mr. Liao testified that by the year 2000 he had an “understanding of
`
`how search engines operate,” even though he did not work on the search engine
`
`side. (Id. at 12:19-13:3; 78:5-79:8.) Mr. Liao testified that he had experience prior
`
`to 2000 with technologies used to send queries to multiple hosts and to return
`
`results received from those hosts, which is consistent with Metasearch’s proposed
`
`construction of the term “metasearch.” (Id. at 77:3-79:8; Patent Owner’s Resp.
`
`(Paper 45) at 25.) Mr. Liao also testified to his experience with databases and Web
`
`protocols. (Ex. 2043 at 76:15-77:14.)
`
`
`
`Finally, Mr. Liao’s expertise compares favorably to the experience of
`
`Metasearch’s own experts, Dr. Almeroth and Dr. Carbonell. Although Dr.
`
`Carbonell testified to having experience “consulting in support of the launch” of
`
`PETITIONER’S RESPONSE TO PATENT OWNER’S
`MOTION FOR OBSERVATIONS ON CROSS-EXAMINATION
`
`Page 5
`
`
`
`search engine Lycos prior to 2000 (Ex. 2006 ¶ 12), neither Dr. Carbonell nor Dr.
`
`Almeroth testified to having experience “designing and implementing” any
`
`“metasearch engine” prior to 2000.
`
`2. Personal Experience With E-Commerce Combination
`Metasearch argues Mr. Liao’s testimony that “he did not nor was never [sic]
`
`
`
`asked to combine a [sic] either a search engine with an e-commerce site or a
`
`metasearch engine with an e-commerce site” is relevant to “demonstrate that
`
`people in the web development field did not consider combining a metasearch
`
`engine with an e-commerce site as claimed in the challenged claims of the ’924
`
`patent.” Metasearch also argues this testimony is relevant to Mr. Liao’s statements
`
`in his supplemental declaration that Mamma.com and Knowledge Broker each
`
`disclose claim elements (g) and (h) and that a person having ordinary skill in the
`
`art in 1999-2000 would have been motivated to include keyword advertising with
`
`Knowledge Broker. (Petitioner presumes Metasearch intended, despite a
`
`typographical error, to cite to paragraphs 32 through 42 and paragraph 49 of
`
`Exhibit 1042.)
`
`
`
`This observation is both improper (see supra Section I.A), and substantively
`
`irrelevant.
`
`First, the testimony cited by Metasearch is irrelevant because it is directed to
`
`an imagined combination. The challenged claims do not require e-commerce or
`
`PETITIONER’S RESPONSE TO PATENT OWNER’S
`MOTION FOR OBSERVATIONS ON CROSS-EXAMINATION
`
`Page 6
`
`
`
`the capabilities of an e-commerce Web site. (See, e.g., Ex. 1041 at 87:7-23; 83:5-
`
`10; Pet’r’s Reply (Paper 52) 1-3, 8 & 11.) Mr. Liao’s testimony therefore fails to
`
`be relevant to the patentability of the challenged claims or to the cited paragraphs
`
`of Mr. Liao’s supplemental declaration.
`
`Second, Metasearch appears to suggest that whether an expert (or a
`
`particular group of people) personally anticipated the claimed invention can make
`
`the alleged invention more or less likely to be obvious. This is nonsensical and has
`
`no support in the law. Whether Mr. Liao actually experienced the alleged
`
`invention is not relevant to Mr. Liao’s testimony that certain claim elements are
`
`met by the prior art references or that a person having ordinary skill in the art in
`
`1999-2000 would have been motivated to combine prior art teachings to make the
`
`alleged invention.
`
`
`
`Third, Mr. Liao’s testimony does not demonstrate, as Metasearch contends,
`
`that “people in the web development field did not consider combining a
`
`metasearch engine with an e-commerce site as claimed in the challenged claims of
`
`the ’924 patent.” Mr. Liao’s personal experiences with a limited group of
`
`individuals do not necessarily generalize to the entire “web development field.”
`
`Further, Mr. Liao testified to the best of his recollection and that engaging in this
`
`sort of decision-making process “was not [his] role” at that time. (Ex. 2043 at
`
`16:16-18; 15:12-16:12.)
`
`PETITIONER’S RESPONSE TO PATENT OWNER’S
`MOTION FOR OBSERVATIONS ON CROSS-EXAMINATION
`
`Page 7
`
`
`
`3. Person Having Ordinary Skill In The Art
` Metasearch argues that Mr. Liao’s testimony regarding the definition of a
`
`person having ordinary skill in the art that Mr. Liao applied when drafting his first
`
`declaration (Ex. 1009; see also Ex. 2043 at 20:7-10), “demonstrates that Mr. Liao
`
`did not have the qualifications and experiences that he believes one of ordinary
`
`skill in the art would have.”
`
`
`
`This observation is both improper (see supra Sections I.A & I.C), and
`
`wrong.
`
`Mr. Liao’s testimony regarding the level of skill in the art is consistent with
`
`the definition provided in the Petition. (Compare Corr’d Pet. (Paper 20) 28-29
`
`with Ex. 2043 at 20:11-16.) Mr. Liao testified that the skilled artisan would
`
`understand, among other things, the technologies involved in search engines and
`
`metasearch engines. (Ex. 2043 at 20:17-21:19.) Mr. Liao went on to explain some
`
`of these technologies. Specifically, Mr. Liao testified:
`
`. . . I don’t have the exact construction in front of me, but I recall it’s
`
`from a user sending one or more queries to plural hosts, and then
`
`combining those results and sending them back to a user. Those types
`
`of things is what I’m talking about a person of ordinary skill in the art
`
`would know.
`
`(Id. at 21:20-22:6.)
`
`PETITIONER’S RESPONSE TO PATENT OWNER’S
`MOTION FOR OBSERVATIONS ON CROSS-EXAMINATION
`
`Page 8
`
`
`
`
`
`Mr. Liao testified that in 2000 he possessed the skills to understand and
`
`implement the technologies underlying search and metasearch engines. (Id. at
`
`12:19-13:3; 77:15-79:8.) Therefore, contrary to Metasearch’s assertion, Mr. Liao’s
`
`testimony establishes that he would have possessed at least the same level of
`
`experience as the person having ordinary skill in the art in 1999-2000.
`
`4. Obviousness Standard
`Metasearch contends Mr. Liao’s testimony regarding the obviousness legal
`
`standard is relevant because “Mr. Liao applied the incorrect standard for
`
`obviousness.” Metasearch also argues this testimony is relevant to “Mr. Liao’s
`
`ultimate opinion that one of skill in the art would combine Knowledge Broker and
`
`Mamma.com to render the challenged claims obvious.” Metasearch cites to
`
`paragraphs in Mr. Liao’s supplemental declaration explaining that Mamma.com
`
`and Knowledge Broker each disclose claim elements (g) and (h) and that a person
`
`having ordinary skill in the art in 1999-2000 would have been motivated to include
`
`keyword advertising with Knowledge Broker. (Petitioner presumes Metasearch
`
`intended, despite a typographical error, to cite to paragraphs 32 through 42 and
`
`paragraph 49 of Exhibit 1042.)
`
`
`
`This observation is both improper (see supra Section I.C), and substantively
`
`irrelevant.
`
`PETITIONER’S RESPONSE TO PATENT OWNER’S
`MOTION FOR OBSERVATIONS ON CROSS-EXAMINATION
`
`Page 9
`
`
`
`None of the paragraphs in Mr. Liao’s supplemental declaration cited by
`
`Metasearch include the word “obvious.” Mr. Liao testified in these paragraphs to
`
`the knowledge of a person having ordinary skill in the art in 1999-2000, as well as
`
`the teachings of Knowledge Broker Exhibits 1006 and 1007 and Mamma.com
`
`Exhibit 1005 to that person. These paragraphs are not directed, as Metasearch
`
`contends, to an “ultimate opinion” of obviousness. Mr. Liao’s statements here
`
`relate to the factual findings that form the foundation of an obviousness
`
`determination and are therefore helpful and relevant to the fact finder evaluating
`
`obviousness.
`
`5. Mr. Liao’s First-Hand Knowledge Broker Experience
`Metasearch argues Mr. Liao’s testimony that he “never used Knowledge
`
`
`
`Broker before 2000” and that his understanding of Knowledge Broker was based
`
`on the three exhibits of record (Exhibits 1006, 1007 and 1045) is relevant because
`
`it establishes Mr. Liao did not have “first-hand knowledge of how Knowledge
`
`Broker operated” and Mr. Liao’s “understanding is limited to that disclosed in the
`
`exhibits.”
`
`
`
`This observation is both improper (see supra Sections I.A and I.C), and
`
`substantively irrelevant.
`
`Metasearch appears to argue that first-hand knowledge of a prior art system
`
`described in a prior art reference is required for an expert to testify as to the
`
`PETITIONER’S RESPONSE TO PATENT OWNER’S
`MOTION FOR OBSERVATIONS ON CROSS-EXAMINATION
`
`Page 10
`
`
`
`teachings of that prior art reference. Or, that knowledge of a prior art reference is
`
`somehow an insufficient basis for an expert to testify regarding the teachings of
`
`that reference. These arguments are not supported by the law. Metasearch fails to
`
`provide any support or other reason why first-hand knowledge is relevant to a
`
`validity challenge based, as it is here, on printed publications. Mr. Liao’s expertise
`
`in the areas of software and web development and his experience prior to 2000
`
`with the technologies used to search or query one or more hosts and to receive the
`
`results from those hosts more than qualify him to opine regarding what the
`
`Knowledge Broker references would have taught to a person having ordinary skill
`
`in the art in 1999-2000.
`
`Metasearch has filed no motions to exclude any of the Knowledge Broker
`
`references, Exhibits 1006, 1007 and 1045. Therefore, it has provided no reason to
`
`doubt the authenticity of these references, nor has it provided any suggestion that
`
`Mr. Liao should not have relied (or was otherwise unreasonable to rely) on these
`
`references for his understanding of Knowledge Broker.
`
`6. Mr. Liao’s First-Hand Mamma.com Experience
`Metasearch argues Mr. Liao’s testimony that he “never used Mamma.com,”
`
`
`
`he “never saw the source code for Mamma.com,” and he “never asked to see the
`
`source code for Mamma.com” is relevant because it establishes that Mr. Liao “did
`
`not have any first-hand knowledge of how Mamma.com operated.”
`
`PETITIONER’S RESPONSE TO PATENT OWNER’S
`MOTION FOR OBSERVATIONS ON CROSS-EXAMINATION
`
`Page 11
`
`
`
`
`
`This observation is both improper (see supra Sections I.A and I.C), and
`
`substantively irrelevant.
`
`As stated above in response to Observation #5, Metasearch appears to argue
`
`that first-hand knowledge of a prior art system described in a prior art reference is
`
`required for an expert to testify as to the teachings of that prior art reference. Or,
`
`that knowledge of a prior art reference is somehow an insufficient basis for an
`
`expert to testify regarding the teachings of that reference. These arguments are not
`
`supported by the law. Metasearch fails to provide any support or other reason why
`
`first-hand knowledge is relevant to a validity challenge based, as it is here, on
`
`printed publications. Mr. Liao’s expertise in the areas of software and web
`
`development and his experience prior to 2000 with the technologies used to search
`
`or query one or more hosts and to receive the results from those hosts more than
`
`qualify him to opine regarding what the Mamma.com reference would have taught
`
`to a person having ordinary skill in the art in 1999-2000.
`
`Metasearch has filed no motion to exclude the Mamma.com reference,
`
`Exhibit 1005. Therefore, it has provided no reason to doubt the authenticity of this
`
`reference, nor has it provided any suggestion that Mr. Liao should not have relied
`
`(or was otherwise unreasonable to rely) on this reference for his understanding of
`
`Mamma.com.
`
`PETITIONER’S RESPONSE TO PATENT OWNER’S
`MOTION FOR OBSERVATIONS ON CROSS-EXAMINATION
`
`Page 12
`
`
`
`Metasearch also misstates the experience of Petitioner’s expert Dr. Etzioni.
`
`Dr. Etzioni was not “involved” in Mamma.com, as Metasearch contends. (See Ex.
`
`1008 ¶¶ 1-9; Ex. 2005 at 22:18-23:2.) Dr. Etzioni was the founder of a different
`
`metasearching Web site, referred to as MetaCrawler. (Ex. 1008 ¶ 2.)
`
`7. Knowledge Broker Sub-problems
`Metasearch argues Mr. Liao’s purported testimony that “Knowledge Broker
`
`
`
`decomposes the original user query into sub-problems that are then sent to
`
`particular external archives” is relevant because “it demonstrates that Knowledge
`
`Broker does not send the user query to the external host, but rather some
`
`decomposed subpart of the query is sent to a specific external database.”
`
`
`
`The cited testimony relates to “Example 2” on pages 779-80 of Exhibit
`
`1045. (Ex. 2043 at 43:10-52:25.) This Observation is improper because
`
`Petitioner’s did not rely on Exhibit 1045 in its Reply. (See supra Section I.B.)
`
`Further, this testimony is irrelevant.
`
`First, Metasearch contends this testimony is relevant to paragraphs 15 and
`
`16 in Mr. Liao’s supplemental declaration (Ex. 1042). In these paragraphs, Mr.
`
`Liao explains the teachings and disclosures of Exhibits 1006 and 1007 to a person
`
`having ordinary skill in the art in 1999-2000—these paragraphs do not describe the
`
`teachings of Exhibit 1045. Therefore, Mr. Liao’s testimony regarding Exhibit
`
`1045 is not relevant to these paragraphs.
`
`PETITIONER’S RESPONSE TO PATENT OWNER’S
`MOTION FOR OBSERVATIONS ON CROSS-EXAMINATION
`
`Page 13
`
`
`
`Second, the testimony cited by Metasearch does not, as Metasearch
`
`contends, “demonstrate[] that Knowledge Broker does not send the user query to
`
`the external host, but rather some decomposed subpart of the query is sent to a
`
`specific external database.” As Mr. Liao pointed out during his deposition,
`
`Example 2 is one “particular example” of broker processing. (E.g., Ex. 2043 at
`
`52:5-7; 52:18-23; 44:9-15.) It does not describe all broker processing nor does it
`
`necessarily relate to the broker processing of Exhibits 1006 and 1007 (or to the
`
`processing described in paragraphs 15 and 16 of Mr. Liao’s supplemental
`
`declaration). Furthermore, Mr. Liao testified that he was not sure about some of
`
`his answers, requested more time to review the article, but was instead directed by
`
`Metasearch’s Counsel to particular excerpts of Exhibit 1045. (Id. at 49:10-22;
`
`43:10-21.) Finally, Mr. Liao testified that Exhibit 1045 describes decomposing a
`
`request into n sub-problems, where n is the arity and n can be zero. (Id. at 46:10-
`
`20; 44:5-15; 45:7-14; see also Ex. 1045 at 768.) That is, it is possible there may be
`
`no sub-problems and no decomposition is performed. For example, Example 1 of
`
`Exhibit 1045 states “[a]ssume further that the broker need not generate
`
`subproblems to generate a solution . . . . Instead, in order to generate a solution it
`
`searches a backend, in our case, an attached opera database.” (Ex. 1045 at 775.)
`
`Therefore, the cited testimony is irrelevant.
`
`PETITIONER’S RESPONSE TO PATENT OWNER’S
`MOTION FOR OBSERVATIONS ON CROSS-EXAMINATION
`
`Page 14
`
`
`
`8. Knowledge Broker Searches Web Crawlers
`Metasearch argues Mr. Liao’s testimony regarding whether Exhibit 1007
`
`
`
`included text describing “how Knowledge Broker would search web crawlers, or
`
`search engines” is “relevant because it demonstrates that Knowledge Broker was
`
`not a metasearch engine within the meaning of the ’924 patent.”
`
`Metasearch contends this testimony is relevant to paragraphs 6 through 18 of
`
`Mr. Liao’s Supplemental Declaration (Ex. 1042). However, Mr. Liao mentions
`
`“Webcrawlers” only once in these paragraphs, at paragraph 10. Metasearch does
`
`not explain how this testimony relates to Mr. Liao’s testimony that Knowledge
`
`Broker was a metasearch engine. Therefore, it is irrelevant.
`
`Dated: October 23, 2014
`
`
`
`
`
`One World Trade Center
`121 S.W. Salmon Street, Suite 1600
`Portland, Oregon 97204
`Telephone: (503) 595-5300
`Facsimile: (503) 595-5301
`
`Respectfully submitted,
`
`KLARQUIST SPARKMAN, LLP
`
`
`By /Kristen L. Reichenbach/
` John D. Vandenberg
` Registration No. 31,312
` Kristen L. Reichenbach, Ph.D.
` Registration No. 61,162
`
`
`
`
`PETITIONER’S RESPONSE TO PATENT OWNER’S
`MOTION FOR OBSERVATIONS ON CROSS-EXAMINATION
`
`Page 15
`
`
`
`Certificate of Service
`
`The undersigned certifies that on October 23, 2014 a true and correct copy
`
`of PETITIONER’S RESPONSE TO PATENT OWNER’S MOTION FOR
`
`OBSERVATIONS ON CROSS-EXAMINATION was served via electronic mail,
`
`per agreement of the parties, on the attorneys of record for the Patent Owner in this
`
`proceeding to the following:
`
`
`
`
`
`Cyrus A. Morton
`CAMorton@rkmc.com
`Ryan M. Schultz
`RMSchultz@rkmc.com
`Bryan J. Mechell
`BJMechell@rkmc.com
`Richard Martinez (Admitted Pro Hac Vice)
`RMMartinez@rkmc.com
`mmtacheny@rkmc.com
`ROBINS, KAPLAN, MILLER & CIRESI LLP
`2800 LaSalle Plaza
`800 LaSalle Avenue
`Minneapolis, MN 55402
`
`Counsel for Patent Owner
`
`One World Trade Center
`121 S.W. Salmon Street, Suite 1600
`Portland, Oregon 97204
`Telephone: (503) 595-5300
`Facsimile: (503) 595-5301
`
`
`KLARQUIST SPARKMAN, LLP
`
`
`By /Kristen L. Reichenbach/
` Kristen L. Reichenbach, Ph.D.
` Registration No. 61,162
`
`
`CERTIFICATE OF SERVICE
`
`
`
`
`
`
`
`Page 1
`
`