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`A P P E A R A N C E S:
` FINNEGAN, HENDERSON, FARABOW,
` GARRETT & DUNNER, LLP
` Attorneys for Petitioner
` 11955 Freedom Drive
` Reston, Virginia 20190
` BY: ERIKA ARNER, ESQ.
` MICHAEL V. YOUNG, SR., ESQ.
` CORY C. BELL, ESQ.
` ROPES & GRAY
` Attorneys for Petitioner
` One Metro Center
` Washington, DC 20005
` BY: J. STEVEN BAUGHMAN, ESQ.
` ROTHWELL FIGG ERNST & MANBECK, P.C.
` Attorneys for Patent Owner
` 607 14th Street, NW
` Washington, DC 20005
` BY: MARTIN M. ZOLTICK, ESQ.
` NANCY J. LINCK, Ph.D, ESQ.
` BRIAN S. ROSENBLOOM, ESQ.
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` HON. TIERNEY: Do we have the
` representative for the petitioner here
` today?
` MS. ARNER: Yes, Your Honor, it
` is Erika Arner for SAP. We also have
` Steve Baughman on the line and Michael
` Young.
` HON. TIERNEY: My apologies. Do
` we have a court reporter on the line?
` THE COURT REPORTER: Yes, I am
` here. Lisa Sansone.
` HON. TIERNEY: Are you prepared
` to begin?
` THE COURT REPORTER: Yes.
` HON. TIERNEY: Thank you.
` Now we will turn to patent
` owner. Does patent owner have its
` representative here?
` MR. ZOLTICK: Yes, Your Honor,
` good afternoon. Marty Zoltick, Nancy
` Linck, Danny Huntington and Brian
` Rosenbloom.
` HON. TIERNEY: Welcome to the
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` MR. ZOLTICK: Thank you.
` HON. TIERNEY: So the purpose of
` today's call is to go back and discuss
` further the request to expedite this
` proceeding. We have the petitioner's
` request and we have the opposition in
` currently. The question I have though
` having read the briefs and the panel
` has read the briefs is the issue of
` the 202. What do we do with the 202?
` Should we expedite? It appears that
` your position is, Petitioner, that it
` would remain in the case until such
` time that we decide the 101. Can you
` provide some clarification for us?
` MS. ARNER: Yes, sir, you are
` correct, that is our position as laid
` out in our paper. And we sought
` through a couple of different
` alternatives of how the proceeding
` could move on to the 102 issue
` depending on how the 101 issue is
` resolved. And our proposed schedule
` provides time to resolve the 101 issue
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` fairly quickly. Our proposed schedule
` currently has an argument ready date
` of April 12th and then allowing some
` time for the board decision after
` that. And then as laid out in our
` paper, that could go one of two ways.
` If the board finds that the
` claims are invalid under Section 101,
` that would resolve the patentability
` of all of the claims in this
` proceeding at which point Versata
` could appeal to the federal circuit
` and the federal circuit could either
` affirm, of course, and that would end
` the proceeding with the issuance of a
` certificate from the board or reverse
` in which case the federal circuit has
` the capability to remand for
` consideration of the 102 issue, and
` that path would be similar to what you
` see in district court litigation where
` summary judgement may be granted on an
` issue often 101 and the federal
` circuit is asked to consider that
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` issue on appeal and if reversing may
` remand for further consideration
` consistent with the federal circuit
` decision.
` If on the other hand the board
` were to find the claims were valid
` under Section 101, we would then
` expect that the proceeding would
` continue along to consider the 102
` issues in the case and the current
` schedule I believe proposed it
` shortened things up some but not a
` whole lot. So the patent owner
` discovery period, for example, is two
` months instead of three, and so I
` think that we could build in the
` months that are lost in the expedited
` schedule, give them the remaining
` discovery period that they need and
` the petitioner would need on the 102
` issue and still get to a point where
` we could be ready for an oral hearing
` before this board in October or
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` are on the second path, and that would
` still provide approximately the same
` time for the board to issue its 102
` decision. Of course we would all be
` discussing only a single issue. So it
` seems reasonable to expect that we
` could do that and that would still
` allow the board to complete
` consideration of 102 within the
` statutory time period if they did
` decide that the claims are valid under
` 101.
` HON. TIERNEY: All right. Let
` me just say what my concern is. We've
` already had the brief by the patent
` owner as to points in their brief
` bifurcating the 101 and 102 issues is
` unwarranted. You have not identified
` for at least myself, I have not
` contacted the panel here, but you have
` not rebutted your allegations that it
` is unwarranted, specifically
` bifurcation may prolong the
` proceeding. You are saying, well, we
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` will just keep constantly expediting
` everything in the case. If we
` continue with the 102, we would then
` expedite the decision on 102.
` You also don't identify the
` prejudice you will suffer if we deny
` your request here and you essentially
` are looking at taking up and having
` the 101 issue, full discovery for the
` 101 issue. Actually, I realize you
` are going on claim construction.
` Deponents will be deposed. We have a
` decision on the issues and we take it
` back up again. You go back to having
` more depositions and more decisions
` under 102, so you would be basically
` duplicating efforts until we continue
` this proceeding under the facts you
` have if we do grant the 101. Ms.
` Arner.
` MS. ARNER: Yes, sir, I would
` like to just respond briefly.
` HON. TIERNEY: Briefly.
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` Versata's point or allegation that it
` would prolong the proceeding, in fact
` it depends on the outcome that as our
` paper describes it could also
` significantly shorten the proceeding
` and avoid much of what Versata calls
` costly and expensive discovery that
` happened at the district court level
` if the board were to resolve the 101
` issue and find that the claims are
` invalid.
` HON. TIERNEY: Ms. Arner, it
` also has the potential to increase the
` costs of the proceeding. So, it is a
` two-edge sword. If I go ahead and say
` we expedite, there is a chance we
` reduce costs, but there's also a
` chance that we increase the costs. So
` that argument is not sufficient at
` this time.
` MS. ARNER: Okay. And then to
` your point regarding the prejudice to
` SAP, first of all, as we outlined in
` our paper, the board's own rules
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` contemplate identifying dispositive
` issues early, as early as the initial
` conference call and narrowing issues
` once the trial is instituted, and that
` is what we are proposing to do here.
` But as far as prejudice, there are a
` couple of considerations to think
` about there.
` One is the prejudice to the
` customers of SAP and to SAP itself
` whereas you know there is a parallel
` litigation which is on appeal at the
` federal circuit, and right now the
` federal circuit is considering
` potential infringement allegations of
` these claims which the board has found
` in its institution decision are more
` than likely than not unpatentable.
` And we think this opportunity to
` decide the 101 issue early would
` present the opportunity to avoid
` inconsistencies that would put SAP and
` its customers but also the public at
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` HON. TIERNEY: Refresh my
` recollection. Can you tell me where
` you identified the prejudice in your
` brief?
` MS. ARNER: Prejudice wasn't
` something we were asked to brief on
` but rather we were asked to explain
` why we thought that the 101 issue
` should be expedited at this point, and
` that is where we focused our brief.
` We would be happy to brief that issue
` further if that would be useful.
` HON. TIERNEY: You have the
` burden of being the proponent of the
` motion to have relief granted in your
` favor. As part of that burden, you
` are able to make out your case any way
` you see fit. It's not for the board
` to tell you that you need to establish
` the prejudice and the reason why we
` should grant it. You chose to brief
` it a certain way and that is all that
` we need to say here.
` What I would like to know today
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` though is you have identified that the
` 101 could significantly shorten and
` expedite this case and save both
` parties quite a bit of cost, but that
` is only going to happen if the 102 is
` no longer in the case or if the 101 is
` granted. Since we don't know today if
` the 101 will be granted, we have to
` have a full briefing on this issue.
` The only other way I could see at this
` point to expedite without a chance of
` having duplication would be to
` withdraw the 102. Are you willing to
` consider that option and if so, please
` identify how you would like to proceed
` if we withdraw the 102 challenge?
` MS. ARNER: I understand, Judge.
` I am not in a position today to give
` you an answer to whether or not we
` would agree to drop the 102 issue, but
` we would need to speak with our client
` and could do that very quickly about
` that potential option if that would
` lead to expediting the consideration
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` of the 101 issue.
` HON. TIERNEY: Mr. Zoltick, let
` me hear from you at this point. I
` think it is time we hear from the
` patent owner and hear their position.
` MR. ZOLTICK: Your Honor, in
` terms of I guess where we stand at the
` moment on the merits of the request to
` expedite on 101, you know, we I guess
` I will say, we echo what we had
` indicated in our opposition, and I
` think that has been addressed already.
` In terms of the issue regarding
` dropping the 102 challenge, I guess we
` will have to wait and hear from
` petitioner on that. I mean I
` certainly can talk to our client about
` their position with respect to that as
` a sort of quick pro quo for expediting
` the proceeding.
` HON. TIERNEY: When I reviewed
` your brief, it seemed like most of the
` prejudice is drawn to the potential
` that it would potentially increase
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` costs because of the need to go back
` and take up a 102 should the 101 not
` be granted. If we remove the 102, it
` seems to alleviate at least some I
` will say of the prejudice identified.
` MR. ZOLTICK: Yes, I think that
` is right, Your Honor. I mean the
` other aspect which we raised in our
` opposition which we think is important
` is the consideration of I guess I will
` couch it broadly as a 102 issue, but
` the issue whether what I will
` characterize as routine and
` conventional activities applied to an
` abstract idea which seems to be part
` of the test under 101, and that issue
` seems to overlap with the
` determination that would be made under
` 102. In other words, whether the
` steps in the process are an advance
` over the prior art are an improvement
` and so on, and that is why we say and
` indicated in our opposition paper that
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` claimant's interpretation in 101
` overlaps with 102.
` So, I think there will still be
` some discovery that we would request
` or at least request the authorization
` to file a motion for additional
` discovery relating to the -- I don't
` want to call it necessarily the 102
` issue, but the issue of whether or not
` the parts of the claimed process and
` the computer implemented method and
` system are novel or in advance over
` the prior art. So we still have some
` concerns about how expedited the
` schedule would be.
` HON. TIERNEY: You have seen the
` request. If the 102 is removed from
` the case, are their times sufficient
` and if not, I would like to at least
` have it clarified as to why they are
` deemed insufficient?
` MR. ZOLTICK: Let me look. I'm
` making notes on the schedule.
` HON. TIERNEY: Okay. If you
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` MR. ZOLTICK: Well, I have it.
` Essentially where we were coming out
` if in fact we were moving on the 101
` issue only and not the 102 issue was
` to move to provide an additional three
` weeks onto the schedule that was
` proposed which we thought would
` provide, and this is assuming we are
` authorized to file our motion for
` additional discovery and are entitled
` to additional discovery, that that
` would provide adequate time for us to
` get discovery requests off, have some
` documents produced and take
` cross-examination of Dr. Siegel, as
` well as potentially some depositions
` of Dr. Boyd who was one of their
` experts in the infringement case,
` Tigar who was also one of their
` experts in the infringement case and
` then potentially a fact witness from
` SAP to the extent, and I mean this is
` just sort of based on what I know
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` right now, saying to the extent that
` there are some documents that we would
` want to have admitted in the record in
` this proceeding relating to the R3
` system or I should say the current R3
` system.
` HON. TIERNEY: All right. At
` this point in time --
` MS. ARNER: Judge, may I
` respond?
` HON. TIERNEY: Ms. Arner, if I
` may go? At this time it's not
` entirely clear whether we need the
` experts from the related court
` litigation to be deposed in this
` proceeding. As it is not entirely an
` issue before us today, I will not and
` I am not asking the panel to rule on
` that issue. I can say that we are not
` inclined to grant such release, but
` should you wish to continue to pursue
` it, please arrange for a conference
` call, but I am giving you at least a
` little forewarning that it's unlikely
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` to succeed unless we hear very
` specific rationale why there is good
` cause, and it is not immediately
` apparent why there would be good
` cause.
` So now, Ms. Arner, you may have
` the floor.
` MS. ARNER: Your Honor, I just
` wanted to respond to Mr. Zoltick's
` point about 102 being related to 101
` or discovery related to 102.
` HON. TIERNEY: Ms. Arner, there
` is no need.
` MS. ARNER: Okay.
` HON. TIERNEY: The question is
` going back to you, Ms. Arner, we need
` to know about this 102, is it in the
` case or is it not in the case? And
` our decision on whether we expedite or
` not will be impacted by your answer.
` MS. ARNER: Okay, and regarding
` the schedule, Your Honor, you asked if
` 102 is taken out of the case would we
` proceed on the schedule proposed by
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` SAP, and I believe Mr. Zoltick said
` they would want three more weeks for
` additional discovery. That would
` lengthen their period for their patent
` owner discovery back to almost exactly
` what they would have under a
` nonexpedited schedule. They are
` already over a month into that period,
` and so I'm not sure why that would be
` warranted, but I understand the
` question on the table is for us to
` discuss with our client whether or not
` they would take 102 out of the case in
` order to move along the expedited 101
` time line.
` HON. TIERNEY: That is the
` question. We can argue what times
` would be if you do take it out, but
` since you have not taken it out, it is
` just not before us. So, the ball is
` now in your court. We await your
` answer and when will we have the
` answer?
` MS. ARNER: We will get it as
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` soon as we can and can we e-mail to
` your clerk to schedule another
` conference call with the board
` sometime this week?
` HON. TIERNEY: You realize the
` sooner we get the answer the better
` because your expedited schedule may
` need to be pushed back should you
` delay in getting back to us?
` MS. ARNER: That is right, Your
` Honor, and our expedited schedule was
` based on a decision by the board this
` week and started from that timing. So
` I'm hopeful if we can get back to you
` this week that that would make it
` possible for us to proceed along that
` schedule as proposed.
` HON. TIERNEY: I'm going to
` confer with the panel for a moment and
` then we'll resume. We'll be back in
` three minutes.
` (Recess).
` HON. TIERNEY: Tierney, Medley
` and Judge Tang back on the line. Are
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` Proceeding
` the parties ready starting with patent
` owner?
` MR. ZOLTICK: Yes, Your Honor.
` HON. TIERNEY: Petitioner, are
` you still there?
` MS. ARNER: We are, yes, Your
` Honor.
` HON. TIERNEY: The panel has
` conferred and we have the following:
` For petitioner we will await your
` determination as to whether or not the
` 102 has been withdrawn in your
` position on that. You will have until
` the close of business tomorrow which
` will be 5 o'clock our time to file a
` one-page paper stating what you will
` be doing in the case with this issue.
` We look forward to hearing from you.
` Any further questions today starting
` with petitioner?
` MS. ARNER: Judge, if I may
` just, our client as you may know is a
` foreign company based in Germany and
` it is already end of business day
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` there, if we could request just an
` additional day, so close of business
` Thursday or even midday Thursday for
` our response to give us at least one
` full business day while they are open
` to discuss this pretty major decision
` they have to make.
` HON. TIERNEY: Let me confer
` with the panel, just a moment.
` (Recess.)
` HON. TIERNEY: Panel has
` modified and we are willing to accept
` it by 2 o'clock on Thursday our time.
` That would be I believe 6 o'clock your
` client's -- I mean I'm sorry, about 8
` o'clock your client's time. That
` should give you ample time to get back
` to us.
` MS. ARNER: Thank you, Your
` Honor, I appreciate that.
` HON TIERNEY: Patent owner, do
` you have any further questions or
` comments?
` MR. ZOLTICK: No, Your Honor.
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` Thank you.
` HON TIERNEY: All right. With
` that, we adjourn and we look forward
` to hearing from the petitioner on this
` issue. Thank you, everyone.
` MS. ARNER: Thank you.
` HON. TIERNEY: We're adjourned.
` [Time noted: 2:21 p.m.]
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` CERTIFICATION
`
` I, Lisa Sansone, a Notary Public for
`and within the State of New York, do
`hereby certify:
` That the within is a true and accurate
`transcription of my stenographic notes.
` I further certify that I am not
`related to any of the parties to this
`action by blood or marriage, and that I am
`in no way interested in the outcome of
`this matter.
` IN WITNESS WHEREOF, I have hereunto
`set my hand this day of , 2013.
`
` _____________________
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