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`GOOGLE LLC,
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`Case No. 20-cv-06754-WHA (DMR)
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`ORDER ON JOINT DISCOVERY
`LETTERS
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`Re: Dkt. No. 378, 420
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`The parties filed a joint discovery letter in which Defendant Sonos, Inc. (“Sonos”) moves
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`about aspects of the technical operation of Google’s accused products, and (2) respond to an
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`interrogatory. [Docket No. 377.] This matter is suitable for resolution without a hearing. Civ.
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`L.R. 7-1(b). For the following reasons, the motion is granted in part and denied in part.
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`I.
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`BACKGROUND
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`Google seeks declaratory judgment of non-infringement and invalidity of four patents
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`owned by Sonos: United States Patent Nos. 9,967,615; 10,779,033; 10,469,966; and 10,848,885.
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`[Docket No. 125 (Second Am. Compl., “SAC”) ¶ 1.] The technology relates to wireless multi-
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`room audio systems. The ‘615 patent is titled “Networked Music Playback.” The ‘033 patent is
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`titled “Systems and Methods for Networked Music Playback.” The ‘966 and ‘885 patents are both
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`titled “Zone Scene Management.” SAC Exs. 7-10.1
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`Fact discovery closed on November 30, 2022. Dispositive motions are due by February 6,
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`2023 and trial is scheduled to begin on May 8, 2023.
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`The parties filed a joint discovery letter in which Sonos moves to compel Google to
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`1 In a related case, No. 1-cv-07559 WHA, Sonos, Inc. v. Google LLC, Sonos asserts claims for
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`designate a witness or witnesses to testify on certain parts of Topic No. 1 in its Rule 30(b)(6)
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`notice, and to provide further responses to Interrogatory Nos. 14 and 15. [Docket No. 378 (Jt.
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`Letter). The parties later notified the court that they had resolved their disputes as to Interrogatory
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`No. 15 and Topic 1(iii)(a)-(c) (“stream transfer” accused functionality). [Docket Nos. 394, 413.]
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`The outstanding disputes are:
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`1. Whether the subtopics under Sonos’s Rule 30(b)(6) Topic No. 1 amount to multiple
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`separate subject matters in excess of the number allowed by the Honorable William H. Alsup’s
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`Supplemental Order to Order Setting Initial Case Management Conference in Civil Cases (dispute
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`2. Whether Google must provide an additional designee on Topic 1(i) (dispute two);
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`3. Whether Google must provide an additional designee on Topic No. 1(v)(a)-(d), (vi)(a)-
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`(d), (vii)(a)-(d) (“controller device” topic) (dispute three);
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`4. Whether Google must provide an additional designee on Topic No. 1(vi)(b)/(d),
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`(vii)(b)/(d) (“cast-enabled player” topic) (dispute four); and
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`5. Whether Sonos is entitled to a supplemental response to its Interrogatory No. 14 (dispute
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`five).
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`The court ordered the parties to file a supplemental joint letter addressing disputes three
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`and four, along with relevant portions of a deposition transcript. The parties timely filed the
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`supplemental joint letter and transcript. [Docket Nos. 414, 420 (Supp. Jt. Letter).] The court also
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`ordered Google to identify docket cites for its claim that “Google has been found not to infringe
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`Google Play Music.” [Docket No. 472.] Google cited 1) the court’s August 2, 2022 Order
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`granting Google’s motion for partial summary judgment as to the ‘615 patent; and 2) Sonos’s
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`November 2022 infringement chart for the ‘033 patent, which accuses various YouTube apps of
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`infringing the ‘033 patent but does not include Google Play Music (Docket No. 406-2 at 1).
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`[Docket No. 476.]
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`II.
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`DISCOVERY DISPUTE
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`Sonos’s Rule 30(b)(6) Deposition Notice
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`Sonos’s Rule 30(b)(6) Topic No. 1 is “[t]he design and operation of the Accused
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`Functionalities.” The 30(b)(6) notice defines four “Accused Functionalities” (discussed below
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`where relevant) and Topic No. 1 contains the following seven subtopics:
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`(i) the design and operation of the aforementioned “speaker group”
`Accused Functionality and source code that facilitates the same;
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`(ii) the design and operation of the aforementioned “Casting”
`Accused Functionality relating to, and source code that facilitates the
`same for, each of: (a) the YouTube app, (b) the YouTube Kids app,
`(c) the YouTube Music app, (d) the YouTube TV app, (e) the Google
`Play Music app, (f) the Google Podcasts app, and (g) the Spotify app;
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`(iii) the design and operation of the aforementioned “Stream
`Transfer” Accused Functionality relating to, and source code that
`facilitates the same for, each of: (a) the YouTube app, (b) the
`YouTube Music app, (c) the Google Play Music app, (d) the Google
`Podcasts app, and (e) the Spotify app;
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`(iv) the design and operation of a Cast-Enabled Media Player
`receiving and playing a sequence of media items (e.g., songs, videos,
`podcast episodes, etc.), individually and collectively with one or more
`other Cast-Enabled Media Players, in connection with, and source
`code that facilitates the same for, each of: (a) the YouTube media
`service, (b) the YouTube Kids media service, (c) the YouTube Music
`media service, (d) the YouTube TV media service, (e) the Google
`Play Music media service, (f) the Google Podcasts media service, and
`(g) the Spotify media service;
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`(v) the design and operation of a computer device, such as a Pixel
`device, receiving and playing a sequence of media items (e.g., songs,
`videos, podcast episodes, etc.) in connection with, and source code
`that facilitates the same for, each of: (a) the YouTube media service,
`(b) the YouTube Kids media service, (c) the YouTube Music media
`service, (d) the YouTube TV media service, (e) the Google Play
`Music media service, (f) the Google Podcasts media service, and (g)
`the Spotify media service;
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`(vi) the design and operation of the aforementioned “Up Next”
`Accused Functionality relating to, and source code that facilitates the
`same for, each of: (a) the YouTube app, (b) the YouTube Kids app,
`(c) the YouTube Music app, (d) the YouTube TV app, (e) the Google
`Play Music app, and (f) the Google Podcasts app; and
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`(vii) the design and operation of the aforementioned “Autoplay”
`Accused Functionality relating to, and source code that facilitates the
`same for, each of: (a) the YouTube app, (b) the YouTube Kids app,
`(c) the YouTube Music app, (d) the YouTube TV app, (e) the Google
`Play Music app, and (f) the Google Podcasts app.
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`Sonos argues that Google failed to designate a witness for some portions of Topic No. 1. It also
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`contends that Google produced a witness who was not competent to testify on certain topics. In
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`addition to responding to these arguments, Google asserts that Topic No. 1 contains excessive
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`subtopics that amount to separate subject matters in violation of Judge Alsup’s order. The court
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`addresses this argument first before turning to the remaining disputes.
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`Dispute One: Whether Topic No. 1 Subtopics Violate Limits Set By
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`Google objects that Sonos seeks to compel testimony on Topic No. 1 for at least 20
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`different subject matters in violation of the court’s order. Jt. Letter 3. Pursuant to Judge Alsup’s
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`Supplemental Order to Order Setting Initial Case Management Conference in Civil Cases, parties
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`may seek Rule 30(b)(6) depositions “on up to a total of ten subject matters (for the entire case)
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`described with ‘reasonable particularity’” absent a prior order. Supplemental Order ¶ 32(a).
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`Google argues that Sonos’s motion is an “attempted end run around the Court’s rule” and that it
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`has already designated four separate witnesses to testify “on the relevant subject matter of Topic
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`No. 1 (and its many sub-topics).” Google asks the court to preclude Sonos from asking for
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`additional testimony “on even more subtopics.” Jt. Letter 3.
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`In response, Sonos disputes that the Topic No. 1 subparts amount to 20 separate subject
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`matters because Topic No. 1 covers “the functionality of the accused products.” Sonos argues that
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`it used the subtopics to “articulate and distinguish within the topic certain discrete functional
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`aspects to aid Google in designating witnesses” and to comply with the requirement that topics be
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`described with “reasonable particularity.” Id. at 2. Sonos also contends that Google has waived
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`this argument because it referred to Topic No. 1 as a single subject in the parties’ meet and confer
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`process and designated witnesses to testify on each of the subparts without raising this concern.
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`Id. at 2-3, n.6.
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`Google does not flesh out its objection in any detail or cite any supporting authority. It
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`also fails to respond to Sonos’s contention that it waived this objection by previously designating
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`witnesses in response to the Topic No. 1 subparts. The court finds that Google has waived any
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`objection based on the existence of subtopics. In any event, the subparts fall under the subject
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`matter of Topic No. 1, namely, the design and operation of the accused functionalities, and help to
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`define the scope of that subject matter with reasonable particularity.
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` Dispute Two: Topic No. 1(i)
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`Topic No. 1(i) is “the design and operation of the . . . ‘speaker group’ Accused
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`Functionality and source code that facilitates the same.” The notice defines the relevant
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`functionality as “[a]ny and all functionalities that facilitate creating a ‘speaker group’ using the
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`Google Home app and playing media (e.g., music) from the speaker group, where the term
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`‘speaker group’ has the meaning used by Google.”
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`Sonos raises three issues with Google’s production of a witness to testify on this subject.
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`First, it argues that this topic seeks testimony on two separate points: 1) creating a “speaker group”
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`using the Google Home app and 2) playing media from the speaker group from the Google Home
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`app “as well as other accused apps.” Jt. Letter 1. According to Sonos, Google improperly limited
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`this topic to the Google Home app, and witness Justin Pedro did not testify on the issue of
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`“playing music from speaker groups via other apps.” Id. (emphasis added). Sonos argues that the
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`functionality of other accused mobile apps is articulated in its infringement contentions for the
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`‘966 patent.
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`In response, Google contends that the topic and definition of the relevant functionality only
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`identifies the Google Home app. It argues that Pedro was prepared to, and did testify, about the
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`topic as written. Jt. Letter 3-4, n.9.
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`Google has the better argument. Sonos asserts Topic No. 1(i) includes “playing media
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`from the speaker group from the Google Home app as well as other accused apps.” Jt. Letter 1
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`(emphasis added). Not so. The topic identifies the “‘speaker group’ Accused Functionality”; the
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`corresponding definition of that functionality includes only the Google Home app.2 Sonos may
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`not re-write the topic and its corresponding definition. This portion of the motion to compel is
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`denied.
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`Second, Sonos contends that during Pedro’s deposition, “Google withdrew the Google
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`Home app designation as to playing media from a speaker group and repeatedly objected to
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`questions regarding such Google Home app functionality.” Jt. Letter 1. Sonos complains that
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`2 Notably, subsection (i) of Topic No. 1 is different from subsections (ii) through (vii) which cite
`multiple apps, not just the Google Home app.
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`Pedro was not prepared “on this aspect.” Jt. Letter 1. Google denies that it “withdrew the Google
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`Home app designation as to playing media from a speaker group” and contends that Pedro testified
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`for over five hours regarding the functionality of the Google Home app, including playing media
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`using a speaker group. Google argues that Pedro was prepared to give complete, knowledgeable,
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`and binding answers on the subject matter for which he was designated. Id. at 4.
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`Sonos does not identify any particular questions to which Google objected. It also does
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`not cite deposition testimony illustrating Pedro’s lack of preparation. See id. at 1. Accordingly,
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`Sonos has failed to establish that Pedro was not adequately prepared for questioning about the
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`Google Home app functionality. The motion to compel is denied on this point.
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`Finally, Sonos contends that Pedro was not prepared to testify about the source code. Id. at
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`1 n.4. Source code is clearly part of Topic No. 1(i) (“and source code that facilitates the same”).
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`Google does not respond to this argument and thus concedes it. Accordingly, Sonos’s motion to
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`compel Google to designate and produce a Rule 30(b)(6) witness to testify on the subject of
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`“source code that facilitates” the “design and operation of the . . . ‘speaker group’ Accused
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`Functionality,” as that term is defined in the Rule 30(b)(6) deposition notice, is granted.
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`Disputes Three and Four: Controller Device and Cast-Enabled Player
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`Sonos challenges the sufficiency of the designated witness’s testimony with respect to the
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`“controller device” and “cast-enabled player” topics pertaining to the “Up Next” and “Autoplay”
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`functionalities. Jt. Letter 2. These are topics 1(v)(a)-(d); 1(vi)(a)-(d); 1(vii)(a)-(d); 1(vi)(b), (d);
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`(v) the design and operation of a computer device, such as a Pixel
`device, receiving and playing a sequence of media items (e.g., songs,
`videos, podcast episodes, etc.) in connection with, and source code
`that facilitates the same for, each of: (a) the YouTube media service,
`(b) the YouTube Kids media service, (c) the YouTube Music media
`service, [and] (d) the YouTube TV media service . . .
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`(vi) the design and operation of the aforementioned “Up Next”
`Accused Functionality relating to, and source code that facilitates the
`same for, each of: (a) the YouTube app, (b) the YouTube Kids app,
`(c) the YouTube Music app, [and] (d) the YouTube TV app . . .
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`(vii) the design and operation of the aforementioned “Autoplay”
`Accused Functionality relating to, and source code that facilitates the
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`same for, each of: (a) the YouTube app, (b) the YouTube Kids app,
`(c) the YouTube Music app, [and] (d) the YouTube TV app ....
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`Sonosargues that the designated witness on the “controller device and cast-enabled player
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`topics (including ‘up next’ and ‘autoplay’ functionality)” was not competentto testify. Jt. Letter
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`2. Google responds that the topics were overbroad andthat its designee, Mr. Mo,testified “at a
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`reasonable level of detail.” Jd. at 5. The parties provided very little analysis of this issue in the
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`joint letter. Accordingly, the court ordered the parties to file a supplementaljoint letter addressing
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`each of the two topics separately. It ordered Google to “explain why its designee’s testimony was
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`‘at a reasonable level of detail’” and Sonos to explain whythe testimony wasinsufficient. The
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`court also instructed the parties to jointly file one exhibit with all relevant portions ofthe
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`transcript. [Docket No. 414.]
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`In the supplementaljoint letter, Sonos describes the two topics as: 1) how the accused
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`controller devices—e.g., phones—operate to play back media items such as songs in a queuevia
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`the accused apps (YouTube, YouTube Music), including the operation of Google’s features called
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`“Up Next” and “Autoplay”; and 2) how the accused players—e.g., smart speakers—engagein the
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`“Up Next” and “Autoplay” features. Supp. Jt. Letter 1. Google does not dispute the accuracy of
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`these descriptions.
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`Sonos highlights a significant number of basic questions to which Mo responded “I don’t
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`know”or words to that effect. See id. at Ex. 1 (Tr.). Mo was not adequately prepared to answer
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`many questions that appear related to Up Next and Autoplay features on the controller devices and
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`players. For example,hetestified that he was notable to testify about how the “up nextfeature is
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`implemented in Google’s system”(Tr. 24); that he was not familiar with how the Autoplay feature
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`is implemented on the YouTube app on a phonebefore casting (Tr. 26-28); that he does not know
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`whether a local queue of media items is stored on a device (Tr. 52-53); that he was not familiar
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`not familiar with‘yyfor YouTube music (Tr. 72). Additionally, Mo
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`could not explain references to the Up Next and Autoplay features in Google’s own documents
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`(Tr. 65-66, 76, 79). At times, Mo becameactively resistant to Sonos’s questioning. For example,
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`he repeatedly asked for clarification and context for questions that appeared fairly straightforward,
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`including “have you heard the phrase ‘local queue’ before?” in the “context of the YouTube
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`sender” device. Tr. 51-52. In another instance, when asked, “[a] user [of the YouTube app
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`running on sender] could select a single video to watch; correct?” he answered, “I don’t know
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`what a user could do.” Tr. 47-48.
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`In response, Google highlights portions of the transcript where Mo provided substantive
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`testimony on these topics. Id. at 2; see e.g., Tr. 126-28, 144-45, 166-72, 174-76. While it appears
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`that Mo offered some level of knowledgeable testimony about playlists and shared queues, Google
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`does not address how this testimony was “at a reasonable level of detail.” Specifically, Google
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`does not explain how the highlighted testimony adequately covered all the topics for which Mo
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`was designated. Google also argues that Sonos offered “cherry-picked examples” that show that
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`its counsel “asked vague, abstract questions about Autoplay and Up Next” that Mo had difficulty
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`answering. Google did not make vagueness objections to all of the questions that the designee
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`was unable to answer, thereby waiving any objection to those questions on that ground. Having
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`reviewed the transcript, the court concludes that the questions generally were appropriate and
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`concrete. Google further contends that “Sonos’s complaints about testimony over issues like local
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`and cloud queues are unfair because these were hotly contested claim terms for construction.”
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`Supp. Jt. Letter 2. This argument is not persuasive because Google did not object to questions
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`about local and cloud queues based on disputes about construction, nor does it illustrate this
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`objection with reference to particular questions and testimony.
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`Ultimately, having reviewed the excerpts of the transcript that the parties jointly submitted,
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`the court finds that there were clear gaps in Mo’s ability to provide 30(b)6) testimony on Google’s
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`behalf with respect to the noticed topics and that he was adequately prepared to testify. Google
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`has not shown that there were obvious deficiencies in the form or substance of Sonos’s questions.
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`Google offered to designate additional testimony by Google engineers “Mills” and “Nicholson” on
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`the subject of Autoplay as 30(b)(6) “to resolve the dispute.” Supp. Jt. Letter 2. The parties shall
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`immediately meet and confer regarding Google’s designation of additional testimony by these
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`witnesses on Autoplay. To the extent that there are remaining portions of the controller devices
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`must promptly produce a witness on those topics.
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`Dispute Five: Interrogatory No. 14
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`Sonos moves to compel Google to provide a complete response to Interrogatory No. 14,
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`which states in relevant part:
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`For each Accused Cast-Enabled App, describe in detail how the given
`Accused Cast-Enabled App (e.g., YouTube Music, YouTube, Google
`Play Music, Google Podcasts, Spotify) running on a computing
`device (e.g., an Accused Pixel Device, an Accused Cast-Enabled
`Display, or a third party mobile phone or tablet), independently or
`working with other software on the computing device, enables a user
`to “cast,” or otherwise move or transfer media, to an Accused Cast-
`Enabled Media Player . . .
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`Interrogatory No. 14 (emphasis added). Sonos argues that Google’s response does not provide an
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`answer as to its accused displays, and that Google has improperly limited its response to apps that
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`run on mobile devices even though the interrogatory is not so limited. Jt. Letter 3.
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`Google contends that the interrogatory “does not ask Google to describe how ‘an Accused
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`Cast-Enabled Display . . . casts or otherwise transfers media to another Accused Cast-Enabled
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`Media Player.’” Id. at 5. Instead, it argues, the interrogatory asks Google to describe how “each
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`Sonos challenges two aspects of the response. It correctly asserts that Google fails to
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`answer the interrogatory as to its accused displays. Google’s response is entirely silent as to Cast-
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`Enabled Apps running on “an Accused Cast-Enabled Display,” and addresses only Cast-Enabled
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`Apps running on a phone. Google argues that it “has provided . . . a detailed explanation of how
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`the accused YouTube apps perform casting,” which is “exactly” what the interrogatory asks, see
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`Jt. Letter 5, but this reads out a portion of the interrogatory. As written, the interrogatory asks
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`Google to describe how each Accused Cast-Enabled App running on computing devices, which
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`include mobile phones and “an Accused Cast-Enabled Display,” enables casting. A complete
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`response calls for Google to explain how each Accused Cast-Enabled App performs casting, going
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`accused app-by-app and accused computing device-by-computing device. Google offers no
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`explanation or argument to support a different interpretation of the interrogatory. Its response is
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`Sonos also challenges Google’s response on the ground that it is improperly limited to the
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`Podcasts and Spotify from the case.” Jt. Letter 5 n.17; 3d Supp. Responses at 14. Its response
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`Letter 5 n.17. Sonos does not actually dispute that YouTube and YouTube Music are “the only
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`‘033 patent.” Id. at 3. Its assertion about the ‘033 patent is not germane to the dispute because
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`Music of infringing the ‘033 patent. [See Docket No. 406-2 at 1.] Further, on August 2, 2022, the
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`“Google’s products” do not infringe claim 13 of the ‘615 patent. [Docket No. 316 at 10-11.]
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`Thus, Google Play Music is no longer at issue with respect to the ‘033 or ‘615 patents, and Sonos
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`patent-in-suit. Nor does it explain why Google should supplement its response as to Google
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`Display.” Sonos’s motion to compel a further response to Interrogatory No. 14 is granted in part,
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`III. CONCLUSION
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`For the foregoing reasons, Sonos’s motion to compel is granted in part and denied in part.
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