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`UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
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`NORTHERN DISTRICT OF CALIFORNIA
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`SAN FRANCISCO DIVISION
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`GOOGLE LLC,
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`Plaintiff,
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`vs.
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`SONOS, INC.,
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`Defendant.
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`Case No. 3:20-cv-06754 WHA
`Related to Case No. 4:21-07559
`[PROPOSED] ORDER APPOINTING
`COMMISSIONERS TO TAKE
`EVIDENCE PURSUANT TO CHAPTER
`II, ARTICLE 17 OF THE HAGUE
`CONVENTION OF 18 MARCH 1970 ON
`THE TAKING OF EVIDENCE ABROAD
`IN CIVIL OR COMMERCIAL MATTERS
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`Referral: Hon. Donna M. Ryu, USMJ
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`[PROPOSED] ORDER
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`WHEREAS, the Court having previously granted the parties’ Joint Motion for Appointment
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`of Commissioners to Take Evidence Pursuant to Chapter II, Article 17 of the Hague Convention of
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`18 March 1970 on the Taking of Evidence Abroad in Civil or Commercial Matters (ECF No. 218),
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`for the remote deposition of Ramona Bobohalma;
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`WHEREAS, the Swiss Federal Office of Justice (“FOJ”) having previously granted
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`permission for the taking of the remote deposition of Ms. Bobohalma pursuant to this Court’s Letter
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`of Request;
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`WHEREAS, the Court having recently granted Google LLC’s (“Google”) Motion for Leave
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`to Amend Invalidity Contentions Pursuant to Patent L.R. 3-6 (“Motion”) and permitted certain
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`amendments to the scope of Google’s Invalidity Contentions;
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`WHEREAS, the Court having also recently permitted Sonos, Inc. (“Sonos”) to take
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`additional deposition testimony of Ms. Bobohalma in connection with granting Google’s Motion;
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`WHEREAS, the parties having requested assistance from this Court to seek a renewal of the
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`FOJ’s permission for the purposes of taking an additional remote deposition of Ms. Bobohalma in
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`Switzerland;
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`WHEREAS, the parties having agreed and requested that Olivier Buff, a Swiss attorney
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`representing the Google, will again be appointed Swiss Commissioner,
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`WHEREAS, the parties having also agreed and requested that Nima Hefazi will again be
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`appointed commissioner for Google, along with Marc Kaplan, and that Dan Smith, Michael Boyea,
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`and Sean Sullivan will be appointed commissioners for Sonos;
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`WHEREAS, the parties have also agreed and requested that the deposition will again take
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`place via remote videoconferencing software from the Swiss offices of Quinn Emanuel at
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`Dufourstrasse 29, 8008 Zürich, Switzerland (or another nearby office if additional space is required);
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`WHEREAS,
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`the Court, having reviewed the Joint Motion for Appointment of
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`Commissioners to Take Evidence Pursuant to Chapter II, Article 17 of the Hague Convention of
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`18 March 1970 on the Taking of Evidence Abroad in Civil or Commercial Matters (ECF No. (cid:23)(cid:22)(cid:25))
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`and supporting papers submitted by Google and Sonos for the renewal of the FOJ’s permission.
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`HEREBY ORDERS THAT:
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`(cid:11)(cid:68)(cid:12)
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`(cid:11)(cid:69)(cid:12)
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`The Joint Motion (ECF No. (cid:23)(cid:22)(cid:25)) is GRANTED;
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`Pursuant to Article 17 of the Hague Convention, Olivier Buff (the “Swiss
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`Commissioner”), Marc Kaplan, Nima Hefazi, Dan Smith, Michael Boyea, and Sean Sullivan
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`(together, the “Commissioners”) are duly appointed, pending the approval of the Swiss FOJ, as
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`commissioners to take evidence in the above-captioned action, specifically in connection with the
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`deposition of Ramona Bobohalma;
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`(c)
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`This signed Order will be given to the counsel for the parties and the Swiss
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`Commissioner who is directed to file it together with the renewed request for authorization from the
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`relevant Swiss authorities within five (5) business days of the date of this order;
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`(d)
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`Neither this Order, nor the terms of the Court’s Request (which is incorporated into
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`this Order) shall restrict the scope of discovery otherwise permissible under the Federal Rules of
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`Civil Procedure.
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`(e)
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`Neither this Order, nor the terms of the Court’s Request (which is incorporated into
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`this Order) shall constitute or operate as a waiver of the attorney-client privilege, the work product
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`doctrine, or any other privileges, rights, or protections that may apply to evidence under the laws of
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`Switzerland or the United States.
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`SO ORDERED.
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`(cid:39)(cid:36)(cid:55)(cid:40)(cid:39)(cid:29)
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`(cid:39)(cid:72)(cid:70)(cid:72)(cid:80)(cid:69)(cid:72)(cid:85)(cid:3)(cid:21)(cid:26)(cid:15)(cid:3)(cid:21)(cid:19)(cid:21)(cid:21)
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`HON. DONNA M. RYU
`United States Magistrate Judge
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`QUINN EMANUEL URQUHART &
`SULLIVAN, LLP
`Charles K. Verhoeven (Bar No. 170151)
`charlesverhoeven@quinnemanuel.com
`Melissa Baily (Bar No. 237649)
`melissabaily@quinnemanuel.com
`Lindsay Cooper (Bar No. 287125)
`lindsaycooper@quinnemanuel.com
`50 California Street, 22nd Floor
`San Francisco, California 94111-4788
`Telephone: (415) 875-6600
`Facsimile: (415) 875-6700
`Attorneys for Google, LLC
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`CLEMENT SETH ROBERTS (SBN 209203)
`croberts@orrick.com
`ALYSSA CARIDIS (SBN 260103)
`acaridis@orrick.com
`ORRICK, HERRINGTON & SUTCLIFFE LLP
`The Orrick Building
`405 Howard Street
`San Francisco, CA 94105-2669
`Telephone: +1 415 773 5700
`Facsimile: +1 415 773 5759
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`Attorneys for Sonos, Inc.
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`UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
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`NORTHERN DISTRICT OF CALIFORNIA
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`SAN FRANCISCO DIVISION
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`GOOGLE LLC,
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`Plaintiff,
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`vs.
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`SONOS, INC.,
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`Defendant.
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`Case No. 3:20-cv-06754 WHA
`Related to Case No. 4:21-07559
`APPOINTMENT OF COMMISSIONERS
`UNDER THE HAGUE CONVENTION AND
`REQUEST FOR JUDICIAL ASSISTANCE
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`Referral: Hon. Donna M. Ryu, USMJ
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`APPOINTMENT OF COMMISSIONERS UNDER THE HAGUE CONVENTION
`AND REQUEST FOR JUDICIAL ASSISTANCE – RENEWAL OF PERMISSION TO
`TAKE EVIDENCE BY A COMMISSIONER UNDER ARTICLE 17 HAGUE EVIDENCE
`CONVENTION 1970 TO THE FEDERAL OFFICE OF JUSTICE (FOJ), CENTRAL
`AUTHORITY FOR THE REQUEST FOR JUDICIAL ASSISTANCE IN CIVIL AND
`COMMERCIAL MATTERS:
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`The United States District Court for the Northern District of California, located at the
`Oakland Courthouse, Courtroom 4 – 3rd Floor, 1301 Clay Street, Oakland, CA 94612, presents its
`compliments to the Federal Office of Justice and has the honor of requesting its assistance in
`obtaining evidence to be used in a civil proceeding now pending before this Court in the above-
`captioned matter, specifically by permitting commissioners appointed by this Court to take evidence
`under Article 17 of the Hague Convention of 18 March 1970 on the Taking of Evidence Abroad in
`Civil or Commercial Matters (“Hague Convention”).
`Ms. Ramona Bobohalma, whose professional address is: Google Switzerland GmbH,
`Gustav-Gull-Platz 1, CH-8004 Zürich, Switzerland, was previously deposed by permission of the
`Federal Office of Justice in May 2022. However, because this Court recently permitted certain
`amendments to the scope of Google’s Invalidity Contentions, it appears to this Court that Ms.
`Bobohalma has additional testimony relevant to this action. It is necessary for the purposes of justice
`and for the due determination of the matters in question between the parties that Ms. Bobohalma be
`examined (remotely) again at the Swiss offices of Quinn Emanuel at Dufourstrasse 29, 8008 Zurich,
`Switzerland or another nearby office if additional space is required, under oath or affirmation. This
`Court, therefore, respectfully requests your assistance pursuant to the Hague Convention in
`obtaining additional oral deposition testimony of Ms. Ramona Bobohalma under the terms set forth
`in this Letter of Renewed Request:
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`SUMMARY OF ACTION
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`1.
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`The above-captioned actions are properly under the jurisdiction of and are now
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`pending before the United States District Court for the Northern District of California, Oakland
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`Courthouse, Courtroom 4 – 3rd Floor, 1301 Clay Street, Oakland, CA 94612, United States of
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`America. The United States District Court for the Northern District of California is fully sanctioned
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`as a court of law and equity and is authorized by Rule 28(b) of the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure
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`to direct the taking of evidence abroad by Letters of Request.
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`2.
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`The parties to the civil action pending in the United States District Court for the
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`Northern District of California are as follows:
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`a.
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`b.
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`3.
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`Google LLC (hereinafter, “Google”) is a corporation organized and existing under
`the laws of the State of Delaware, with its headquarters in California, USA. Witness
`Ramona Bobohalma is an individual who is employed by Google as a Senior Staff
`Software Engineering Manager but is a resident of Switzerland. Google is
`represented by QUINN EMANUEL URQUHART & SULLIVAN, LLP, 50
`California Street, 22nd Floor, San Francisco, CA 94111, USA.
`Correspondence to Google can be faxed to its representatives at +1 (415) 875-6700
`or emailed at the following email addresses: charlesverhoeven@quinnemanuel.com,
`melissabaily@quinnemanuel.com,
`jamesjudah@quinnemanuel.com,
`marckaplan@quinnemanuel.com, and qe-sonos3@quinnemanuel.com.
`Sonos, Inc. (hereinafter “Sonos”) is a corporation organized and existing under the
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`laws of Delaware, with headquarters in California, USA. Plaintiffs are represented
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`by ORRICK, HERRINGTON & SUTCLIFFE LLP, The Orrick Building, 405
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`Howard Street, San Francisco, CA 94105; and LEE SULLIVAN SHEA & SMITH
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`LLP, 656 W. Randolph Street, Floor 5W, Chicago, IL 60661, USA.
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`Correspondence to Sonos can be faxed to its representatives at +1 (415) 773-5759
`and +1 (312) 754-9603 or emailed at
`the following email addresses:
`smith@ls3ip.com, boyea@ls3ip.com, sullivan@ls3ip.com, and Sonos-NDCA-
`06754-service@orrick.com.
`These above-captioned actions are two cases regarding speaker technology that have
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`been related by the Court. Sonos has sued Google for infringement of U.S. Patent Nos. 9,967,615
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`(“the ’615 patent”); 10,779,033 (“the ’033 patent”); 10,469,966 (“the ’966 patent”); and 10,848,885
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`(“the ’885 patent”) (collectively, the “Patents-in-Suit”) under the patent laws of the United States,
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`35 U.S.C. § 1 et. seq. Google filed a declaratory judgment action for non-infringement of the
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`Patents-in-Suit under the Declaratory Judgment Act, 8 U.S.C. § 2201 and the patent laws of the
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`United States, 35 U.S.C. §§ 1-390, as well as claims against Sonos for breach of contract and
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`conversion. Both Sonos and Google believe all respective claims against them should be dismissed.
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`4.
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`This Court recently granted Sonos permission to depose Ms. Ramona Bobohalma
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`again. The parties have agreed to conduct a remote deposition of Ms. Ramona Bobohalma, who
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`will be located for such deposition in Switzerland, in accordance with Chapter II of the Hague
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`Convention.
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`II.
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`EVIDENCE REQUESTED
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`5.
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`The parties have satisfied this Court that Ms. Ramona Bobohalma has material
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`information related to this pending action for use at trial, and that justice cannot be completely done
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`between the parties without her testimony.
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`6.
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`The parties requested that this Court issue the present Letter of Renewed Request
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`seeking your assistance in obtaining testimony from Ms. Ramona Bobohalma. The evidence to be
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`obtained is oral testimony to be taken in Switzerland, and is intended to be used as evidence in the
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`trial for this matter. Ms. Ramona Bobohalma, who is a resident of Switzerland, has been apprised
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`of her rights under Swiss law and has consented to being deposed in Switzerland.
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`7.
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`The Court requests assistance in permitting the commissioners appointed by this
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`Court to take testimony from Ms. Ramona Bobohalma, which will be given voluntarily. The topics
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`of examination will be limited to Ms. Bobohalma’s knowledge reasonably related to the YouTube
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`Remote’s “party mode” feature.
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`8.
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`This Court is satisfied that the testimonial evidence is relevant to the pending
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`proceeding and is likely to be used at trial to assist this Court in resolving the dispute presented in
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`the civil action before it. With the approval of this Court, the parties and this Court therefore seek
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`permission to have commissioners take this testamentary evidence for the purpose of using such
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`evidence at trial.
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`9.
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`It is requested that the testimonial evidence be given in the English language, and on
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`oath or affirmation. It is also hereby requested that the testimony be in the form of a recorded remote
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`deposition testimony via a secure session using videoconferencing technology upon questions
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`communicated to the witness by U.S. counsel of the parties, acting as commissioners. It is requested
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`that the testamentary evidence be given at some time agreeable to all involved in January 2023.
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`10.
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`The parties have agreed on and the Court hereby appoints Mr. Olivier Buff to serve
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`as commissioner (“the Swiss Commissioner”). Mr. Buff is a lawyer with the law firm Quinn
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`Emanuel at Dufourstrasse 29, 8008 Zürich, Switzerland, and admitted to practice as an attorney in
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`Switzerland and New York. In his capacity as commissioner, Mr. Olivier Buff will complete and
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`oversee the following tasks: liaise with the Swiss authorities; act as an agent of service for any
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`communication of the Swiss authorities to this Court, the parties and Ms. Ramona Bobohalma; invite
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`Ms. Ramona Bobohalma to the deposition once authorization is granted; verify and confirm the
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`identity of Ms. Ramona Bobohalma before testamentary evidence is taken; supervise the testimony
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`of Ms. Ramona Bobohalma by remote videoconferencing software from the Swiss offices of Quinn
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`Emanuel at Dufourstrasse 29, 8008 Zürich, Switzerland (or another nearby office if additional space
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`is required); instruct the witness on her rights and obligations as per Article 21 of the Hague
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`Convention; and ensure that the testimony is conducted in accordance with those rights and
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`obligations.
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`11.
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`The U.S. counsel of the parties, which the Court upon request of the parties hereby
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`also appoints as commissioners are the following:
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`a.
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`For Google: Marc Kaplan and Nima Hefazi, from QUINN EMANUEL
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`URQUHART & SULLIVAN LLP at 50 California, 22nd Floor, San Francisco, CA
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`94111, USA and 865 S. Figueroa Avenue, 10th Floor, Los Angeles, CA 90017, USA.
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`b.
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`For Sonos: Dan Smith, Michael Boyea, and Sean Sullivan from LEE SULLIVAN
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`SHEA & SMITH at 656 W. Randolph Street, Suite 5W, Chicago, IL 60661.
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`12.
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`In addition to the U.S. counsel and commissioners listed above and of the Swiss
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`Commissioner, it is also requested that client representatives for each party be allowed to be present,
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`and that a videographer and a stenographer be present to take and record a verbatim transcript of all
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`testimony and proceedings in the English language and that the transcript of the testimony be
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`authenticated. When necessary, persons belonging to the information technology departments of
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`the law firms of U.S. counsel may enter the rooms where U.S. counsel are remotely attending the
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`deposition. U.S. counsel, the party representatives, the videographer, and the stenographer may
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`attend the deposition remotely. The Swiss Commissioner, Ms. Ramona Bobohalma and potentially
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`any of the appointed other commissioners will attend the deposition by videoconference from the
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`same location in Zürich. When necessary, persons belonging to the IT department of the Quinn
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`Emanuel law firm where the deposition is held may enter the room where Ms. Ramona Bobohalma
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`is remotely attending the deposition.
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`13.
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`As mentioned, it is requested that the commissioners take Ms. Ramona Bobohalma
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`testimony in the English language (to which Ms. Bobohalma has agreed) under oath or affirmation,
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`and that the Swiss Commissioner be allowed to administer such oath or request for affirmation on
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`Ms. Ramona Bobohalma in accordance with United States law, as follows: “Do you swear or affirm
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`that the testimony you are about to provide is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth?”
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`14.
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`It is also requested that after giving testimony, Ms. Ramona Bobohalma be allowed
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`after completion of the transcript to review, submit any errata, and sign the transcript of her
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`testimony, and that the signed, transcribed, and videotaped testimony together with any documents
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`marked as exhibits be transmitted to the parties’ U.S. counsel as soon as possible thereafter.
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`15.
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`Accordingly, it is hereby requested that you grant assistance and authorize the Swiss
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`and U.S. commissioners appointed above to question Ms. Ramona Bobohalma under oath or
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`affirmation at the remote deposition in January 2023, or at another time determined by you, and that
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`a verbatim transcript and videotape be prepared and be transmitted to the parties’ U.S. counsel for
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`submission and use before this Court.
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`16.
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`It is also requested that you inform the Swiss Commissioner, this Court, and the
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`parties through their above-mentioned U.S. counsel of your approval of this Court’s request and of
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`all relevant dates and times determined by you for the production of the aforementioned requested
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`testamentary evidence of Ms. Ramona Bobohalma. This Court and U.S. counsel hereby appoint
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`Mr. Olivier Buff to act as the agent of service in Switzerland for any and all communication from
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`you in this respect. As mentioned above, Mr. Olivier Buff’s professional address in Switzerland for
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`purpose of your communications is: Dufourstrasse 29, 8008 Zurich, Switzerland.
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`17.
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`This Court expresses its appreciation to the Federal Office of Justice for its courtesy
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`and assistance in this matter and states that this Court shall be ready and willing to assist the courts
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`of Switzerland in a similar manner when required. This Court is also willing to reimburse (through
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`the Parties) the competent judicial authorities of Switzerland for any costs incurred in executing this
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`request for judicial assistance. This Court extends to the competent judicial authorities of
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`Switzerland the assurances of its highest consideration.
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`This Letter of Renewed Request is signed and sealed by Order of the Court made on the date
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`set forth below:
`SO ORDERED.
`DATED:
`(cid:39)(cid:72)(cid:70)(cid:72)(cid:80)(cid:69)(cid:72)(cid:85)(cid:3)(cid:21)(cid:26)(cid:15)(cid:3)(cid:21)(cid:19)(cid:21)(cid:21)
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