Case 4:20-cv-05640-YGR Document 815 Filed 09/10/21 Page 1 of 33
`UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
`NORTHERN DISTRICT OF CALIFORNIA
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`Case No: 20-cv-05640-YGR
`Case Name: Epic Games, Inc.v. Apple Inc.
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`JUDGE:
`Yvonne Gonzalez Rogers
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`BENCH TRIAL DATE:
`May 3, 2021
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`PLF NO.
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`TRIAL SHEET, EXHIBIT and WITNESS LIST
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` PLAINTIFF ATTORNEY:
` Katherine Forrest and
`Gary Bornstein
` REPORTER(S):Diane Skillman
`and Pam Hebel and Raynee
`Mercado
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` DEFENSE ATTORNEY:
` Richard Doren and Veronica
`Moye
` CLERK: Frances Stone
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`DATE/TIME
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`ID REC DESCRIPTION
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`BENCH TRIAL: COURT REPORTER:
`DIANE SKILLMAN
`Case called. Discussion with counsel.
`All documents listed in ECF dkt. 498
`ADMITTED in evidence. Sealing at Dkt.
`553 granted. Dkt. 538 granted.
`Plaintiff Epic Attorney Katherine Forrest
`Opening Statement
`Defendant Apple Attorney Karen Dunn
`Opening Statement.
`RECESS (20 min)
`Defendant Apple Attorney Dunn resumes
`Opening Statement
`Defendant Opening completed
`Plaintiff Epic Attorney Forrest calls
`witness Tim Sweeney for DIRECT
`Email
`Email
`Email
`RECESS (until 1:15pm)
`Plaintiff Epic Attorney Forrest resumes
`Direct of witness Sweeney
`Exhibit: Device
`Device: X Box
`Device: Nintendo Switch
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`Case 4:20-cv-05640-YGR Document 815 Filed 09/10/21 Page 2 of 33
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`DATE/TIME
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`ID REC DESCRIPTION
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`Court has questions for witness
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`Plaintiff Epic Attorney Forrest Direct of
`witness Sweeney
`Document
`Defendant Apple Attorney Richard
`Doren Cross of Witness Sweeney
`Slide: Sony/Microsoft/Nintendo Chart
`Email
`Discussion with counsel
`SEALED PORTION OF TRIAL HELD
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`Sealed portion completed
`Discussion with counsel
`Email
`Email
`RECESS for the day. Further Bench
`Trial set Tuesday, 5/4/2021 at 8:00am.
`COURT REPORTER: DIANE
`SKILLMAN
`Case called. Discussion with counsel.
`Counsel bring up that there is a typo. as
`to one admitted Exhibit in Minutes of
`5/3/2921: correct Exhibit number is PX
`4477
`Witness Tim Sweeney on the witness
`stand. Defendant Apple Attorney Doren
`resumes cross of witness Sweeney
`Email 6/3/18
`Document “ The Platform Wars”
`Video portion played in Courtroom re
`this document
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`Email
`1/9/18 Email
`3/21/19 Article
`Court question of the witness
`Defendant Apple Attorney Apple Cross
`of Witness Sweeney
`Email
`Document: Review of Performance
`5/11/2020 Email
`Document
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`Case 4:20-cv-05640-YGR Document 815 Filed 09/10/21 Page 3 of 33
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`DATE/TIME
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`ID REC DESCRIPTION
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`Project Liberty Presentation
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`8/5/2020 Email
`X X
`Email 8/6/20 to 8/7/2020 re “Apple”
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`Document
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`Plaintiff Epic attorney Forrest Redirect
`of Witness Sweeney
`RECESS (20 minutes)
`On the record.
`Plaintiff Epic Attorney Forrest Resumes
`Redirect of Witness Sweeney
`Device: iPhone
`Nintendo Switch
`Device
`Document
`Document
`Document
`Document
`Email
`Email 1/5/18
`Defendant Apple Attorney Doren Re-
`cross of witness Sweeney
`Email
`No redirect.
`Court questions to witness Sweeney
`Plaintiff Epic Attorney J. Wesley
`Earnhardt calls witness Benjamin Simon
`for Direct
`App Store Guidelines
`Page 2790.10
`RECESS (40 minutes) until 1:15pm
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`DX 3774 DX 3818
`Defendant Apple attorney Meredith
`Dearborn Cross of witness Benjamin
`Simon
`Down Dog FAQ page 2624.1
`Document
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`Case 4:20-cv-05640-YGR Document 815 Filed 09/10/21 Page 4 of 33
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`DATE/TIME
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`ID REC DESCRIPTION
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`No cross
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`Court questions for witness Simon
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`No further questions
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`Plaintiff Epic attorney Earnhardt calls
`witness Aashish Patel for Direct
`Page 18 Section 4.9.2
`Document GeForce
`Defendant Apple attorney Jay Srinivasan
`Cross of witness Aashish Patel
`3/4/2020 email
`Discussion with counsel. Oral hearing on
`Motions to Strike as to Experts set 5/5/21
`at 8:00am
`Under Seal Portion
`RECESS for the day. Further Bench
`Trial on 5/5/2021 at 8:00AM
`COURT REPORTER: PAM HEBEL
`Case called. Discussion with counsel. The
`Court states on the record exhibits that
`have admitted in evidence. Motions to
`Strike – HELD.
`Defendant Apple attorney Srinivasan
`resumes Cross of witness Patel.
`Document
`Plaintiff Epic attorney Earnhardt
`Redirect of witness Patel
`Defendant Apple attorney Sirinivasan
`Re-Cross of witness Patel
`Witness excused from stand
`Plaintiff Epic attorney Earnhardt calls
`witness Lori Wright for Direct
`Page 2476.6
`Slides 31, 17, 11 and 9
`4/3/2020 Email
`Defendant Apple attorney Srinivasan
`Cross of witness Wright
`RECESS (20 minutes)
`UNDER SEAL SESSION
`Back to public session: Plaintiff attorney
`Srinivasan Cross of witness Wright
`Slide deck “Microsoft Provides” ; page
`2; “10 Principles”
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`Case 4:20-cv-05640-YGR Document 815 Filed 09/10/21 Page 5 of 33
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`Document “X-Box Live Marketplace;
`Future Strategy; slide 18 page 32; slide
`37
`Form 10-K Microsoft ; page 011
`Plaintiff Epic attorney Earnhardt
`Redirect of Witness Wright
`Document; page 12
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`Defendant Apple attorney Sirinivasan
`Re-Cross of witness Wright
`Witness excused from stand
`Plaintiff Epic attorney Forrest calls
`witness Andrew Grant for DIRECT
`RECESS (until 1:15pm)
`COURT REPORTER: DIANE
`SKILLMAN
`Plaintiff Epic attorney Forrest resumes
`Direct of witness Andres Grant
`Apple Development Agreement
`License Agreement
`Schedule 2 Agreement
`Xcode and Apple SDKS
`Defendant Apple Attorney Richard
`Doren Cross of witness Grant
`6/3/19 Email
`Unreal Engine License Agreement
`Presentation Project Liberty
`Plaintiff attorney Epic attorney Forrest
`Recdirect of witness Grant.
`Witness excused from stand
`Discussion with counsel. Next witnesses:
`Ko, Fischer; Kosmynga, Allison
`Weissinger; then experts Evans, Athey,
`Schmalensee, Hitt; La Fontaine;
`Rubinfeld; Cragg; Barnes, Mickens then
`Defendant Apple’s case. Exhibits PX
`0067 and PX 0201- see order at docket
`594.
`RECESS FOR THE DAY. Further
`Bench Trial set for 5/6/2021 at 8:00am.
`COURT REPORTER: PAM HEBEL
`Case called. Discussion with counsel.
`Plaintiff Epic attorney Brent Byars calls
`witness Thomas Ko for DIRECT
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`4/2/2020 Email- portions subject to
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`5/6/2020 Email
`Defendant Apple attorney Srinivasan
`Cross of witness Ko
`12/25/19 Email
`No redirect
`UNDER SEAL PORTION
`Discussion with counsel
`Document 8/9/18
`Discussion with counsel re exhibits to be
`admitted; a binder of exhibits given to
`the Court:
`PX 006 PX 0052 PX 0060 PX 0061 PX
`0072 PX 0112
`Counsel are to WAIT as to PX 201 and
`202 and these two exhibits are NOT to go
`into exhibit drop box yet.
`Court admitted: PX0827 and PX 0854
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`Plaintiff Epic attorney Forrest calls
`witness Matthew Fischer for DIRECT
`Email 4/11/2011
`3/16/2011 Email
`Email
`7/27/18 Email
`3/26/2019 (Court reserves ruling)
`8/27/13 Email
`4/18/2018 Email
`5/1/18 Email
`7/20/2018 email
`1/4/2016 email (Court reserves ruling)
`7/27/2018 Email
`11/11/2010 Email
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`Presentation 5/2018; pages 983 and 984
`10/6/19 (portion subject to sealing); pages
`516-518
`9/2/19 Email
`11/14/20 Email
`034 bates page number
`7/28/16 Email
`Witness steps off stand for the recess
`Discussion with counsel
`RECESS (until 10:35am)
`COURT REPORTER: DIANE
`SKILLMAN
`Plaintiff Epic attorney Katherine Forrest
`resumes Direct of witness Fischer
`9/6/18 email; pages 842-846
`Document 10/26/18
`2/10.12 Email
`9/21/15 Email
`7/22/2016
`10/18/18 Email
`3/27/15 Email
`6/5/2012
`1/9/16 Email
`9/29/15 Email
`Direct of witness Fischer completed.
`Discussion with counsel.
`Defendant Apple attorney Sirinivasan
`Cross of witness Fischer
`6/10/14 Email
`Press release 6/5/17
`4/3/20 Email
`9/16/18 Email
`Email
`12/12/18 Email
`Plaintiff Epic attorney Forrest Redirect
`of witness Fischer
`RECESS( until 1:15pm)
`Plaintiff Epic Attorney Forrest resumes
`Redirct of witness Fischer
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`Screenshot APP Store Unreal Engine
`Screenshot APP Store Unreal Engine 2
`Developer Survey
`Developer Survey
`Developer Survey
`Developer Survey
`Witness excused from stand
`Plaintiff Epic attorney Lauren
`Moskowitz calls witness Trystan
`Kosmynka for DIRECT
`APP STORE GUIDELINES
`6/30/2020 Document page 314.5
`9/22/15 Email
`6/21/19 Email
`3/21/18
`7/27/17 Email
`12/14/17 Email
`12/19/17 Email
`5/11/17 Email
`Document: Apple’s interrogatory
`answers
`5/1/19 Email
`Defendant Apple attorney Veronica
`Moye Cross of witness Kosmynka
`Document
`iOS Reviewed APPS Summary
`11/20/2019
`APP Review Metrics Demonstrative No.
`1 (summary)
`Witness excused for the day. Discussion
`with counsel. Court will go over the
`Exhibits first thing tomorrow morning on
`5/7/2021.Discussion with counsel.
`RECESS FOR THE DAY. Further
`Bench Trial on 5/7/2021 at 8:00AM.
`COURT REPORTER: PAM HEBEL
`Case called. Discussion with Counsel.
`The Court states on the record Exhibits
`admitted on 5/5/21 and 5/6/21.
`Defendant Apple attorney Moye resumes
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`Slide 3 App Review
`Document
`IOS Apps Reviewed Summary
`Demonstrative no. 5 App Review Process
`Demonstrative no. 6
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`Summary
`Email 9/30/15
`Demonstrative no. 13
`Plaintiff Epic attorney Moskowitz
`Redirect of witness Kosmynka
`PAGE 6
`10/31/18 Email
`Email 11/21/19
`Presentation “App Store”
`App Store Review Guidelines
`Demonstrative no. 13 2020 App Store
`App Store Review Guidelines
`RECESS (20 minutes)
`COURT REPORTER: DIANE
`SKILLMAN
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`Witness excused from stand
`Plaintiff Epic attorney Justin Clark calls
`witness Steve Allison for Direct.
`10/18/20 EGS plan (Epic)
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`COURT REPORTER: PAM HEBEL
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`Clark resumes Direct of witness Steve
`Allison
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`witness Allison
`Slide deck “Weekly Store Strategy”
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`Plaintiff Epic attorney Moskowitz calls
`witness Matthew Weissinger for Direct
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`records PP 879 and 880 except emails PX
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`Plaintiff attorney Lauren Moskowitz
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`Document
`Defendant Apple attorney Doren Cross of
`witness Weissinger
`Demonstratives 1, 2, 3, 4
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`RECESS (20 minutes)
`Defendant attorney Doren resumes cross
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`8/4/2020 Email
`8/13/20 Email
`Liberty console partner
`Plaintiff attorney Moskowitz Redirect of
`witness Weissinger
`9/27/19 Email
`Document
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`Picture of figure “Peel”
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`cross of witness Weossomger
`Witness excused from the stand
`Plaintiff Epic attorney Gary Bornstein
`calls witness Dr. David S. Evans for
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`Plaintiff Epic attorney Bornstein Direct
`of witness Evans
`Plaintiff attorney Bornstein offers
`witness Evans as Expert. Court accepts
`as Expert as stated on the record
`Plaintiff Epic attorney Bornstein resumes
`Direct of witness Evans
`On 4/28/21 written testimony of Dr.David
`S. Evans provisionally admitted by the
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`Slides 41.22 41.23 41.24 41.26 41.27
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`Witness excused- Recess for the day
`RECESS FOR THE DAY. Further
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`COURT REPORTER: PAM HEBEL
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`Direct of witness Dr. David Evans
`Document: the same as Document DX
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`Slide 38: summary of opinions
`41.38 41.39 41.40 41.42 41.43 Slides
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`Document
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`RECESS (20 minutes)
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`Slide 41.18 Duopoly Market
`Amicus Brief (0410 case) pages 6-8
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`41.7 slide
`41.37 slide
`Defendant Apple attorney Swanson Re-
`Cross of witness Evans
`SEALED COURTROOM. SEALED
`TESTIMONY
`Under Seal portion of exam of witness
`Plaintiff Epic attorney Bornstein
`Redirect of witness Evans.
`Defendant Apple attorney Swanson Re-
`Cross of witness Evans
`Slide 34
`UNDER SEAL PORTION OF EXAM
`OF WITESS
`Court asks questions of witness Evans
`Plaintiff Epic attorney Bornstein
`Redirect of witness Evans
`Defendant Apple attorney Swanson Re-
`Cross of witness Evans
`Discussion with counsel
`RECESS (40 minutes)
`Plaintiff Epic attorney Yonathan Even
`calls witness Dr. Susan Athey for Direct
`Plaintiff moved into evidence written
`testimony of Athey into evidence.
`Slide 2: Qualification
`Plaintiff attorney Even offers Dr. Athey
`as expert witness; Court accepts as
`expert as stated on the record
`Plaintiff Epic attorney Even resumes
`direct of witness Dr. Athey
`Slide 5 :User switching costs; Slide 9
`Slide 6, 9, 10, 11 and 15
`405.1 and 405.2
`Defendant Apple attorney Karen Dunn
`Cross of witness Dr. Athey
`.001 10/22/2020 Presentation
`Article: Switching Guide page 7
`Page 3
`Witness excused for the day
`RECESS FOR THE DAY. Further
`Bench Trial 5/12/21 at 8:00am
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`COURT REPORTER: RAYNEE
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`Case Called. Discussion with counsel. By
`6:00pm Friday submission to Court re
`exhibits requested to be sealed.
`Defendant Apple attorney Karen Dunn
`resumes Cross of witness Dr. Athey
`Document
`Exhibit
`Exhibit
`Exhibit
`Screenshot
`Document
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`Screenshot
`Page 2
`Plaintiff Epic attorney Yonathan Even
`Redirect of witness Dr.Athey
`Exhibit
`Document
`Document
`Defendant attorney Swanson calls
`witness Richard Schmalensee for Direct
`Document
`Defendant Apple attorney Swanson
`offers Schmalensee as expert witness;
`Court accepts as Economist Expert as
`stated on the record
`Defendant Apple attorney Swanson
`resumes direct of witness Schmalensee
`Plaintiff Epic attorney Bornstein Cross of
`witness Schmalensee
`Document
`RECESS (20 minutes)
`COURT REPORTER: PAM HEBEL
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`Plaintiff attorney Bornstein resumes
`Cross of witness Schmalensee
`Stipulation at dkt. 635, 640
`Demonstrative: Slide 2 Chart
`.001 Slide Ex. 2 of Schmalensee Rebuttal
`report
`Slide 13 Digital in-app purchases
`Defendant Apple attorney Swanson
`Redirect of witness Schmalensee
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`Article
`Plaintiff Epic attorney Bornstein Re-
`Cross of witness Schmalensee
`Article: An Instant Classic
`Court asks questions of witness
`Schmalensee
`Witness excused from the stand
`Defendant Apple attorney Karen Dunn
`calls witness Francine LaFontaine for
`Direct
` CV of LaFontaine
`Slide 3 of LaFontaine
`Defendant attorney Dunn offers witness
`LaFontaine as expert; Court accepts as
`expert as stated on the record
`Defendant attorney Dunn resumes Direct
`of witness LaFontaine
`Slide 6
`RECESS (40 minutes)
`COURT REPORTER: DIANE
`SKILLMAN
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`of witness LaFontaine
`Slides 7 , 8 and 9
`Plaintiff attorney Bornstein Cross of
`witness LaFontaine
`No redirect
`Discussion with counsel.
`Defendant Apple Attorney Richman calls
`witness Lorin Hitt for Direct
`Defendant attorney Richman offers Hitt
`as expert; Court accepts witness Hitt as
`expert as stated on the record
`Defendant Apple attorney Richman
`resumes Direct of witness Hitt
`Slides 3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15
`RECESS FOR THE DAY.
`FURTHER BENCH TRIAL 5/13/21 AT
`8:00AM
`COURT REPORTER: PAM HEBEL
`Sidebar with counsel off the record with
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`Discussion with counsel re 3 case cites
`submitted by plaintiff re attorney/witness
`contact.
`Defendant Apple attorney Cynthia
`Richman resumes Direct of witness Lorin
`Hitt
`Slides 4, 9, 53 16
`Summary document Slide 17
`Summary document Slide 18
`Slides 20-21
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`Slide 29
`Slide 30
`Slide 31
`Court asks questions of witness Hitt
`Plaintiff Epic attorney Even Cross of
`witness Lorin Hitt
`Slide 17, 28, 13-Demonstrative; slide 25
`Exhibit 13 – one page shown on
`document camera
`RECESS(20 minutes)
`COURT REPORTER: DIANE
`SKILLMAN
`Plaintiff Epic attorney Even resumes
`Cross of witness Lorin Hitt
`Slide 1: average commission rate analysis
`Slide 1 page 2
`Figure 3 Slide: Device availability
`Documents
`Defendant Apple attorney Richman
`Redirect of witness Hitt
`Slide 6
`Plaintiff Even Cross of witness Hitt
`Slide 6
`Defendant attorney Richman Redirect of
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`No recross
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`Plaintiff Epic attorney Even calls witness
`Michael I. Cragg for Direct
`Plaintiff attorney moves for written
`testimony of witness Cragg to be
`admitted; Court admits into evidence
`provisionally
`CV Cragg Slide 1
`Plaintiff offers witness Cragg as expert;
`Court admits as expert as stated on
`record
`Plaintiff attorney Even resumes Direct of
`witness Michael Cragg
`Slide 2, 3, 4, 5 and figure 1
`RECESS ( 40 minutes)
`COURT REPORTER: RAYNEE
`MERCADO
`Discussion with counsel
`Plaintiff Epic attorney Even resumes
`direct of witness Cragg
`Slide 6, 111.7 PDX 111.7 , slide 7 ,8, 9,13,
`12, Figures 2 and 18 and 5. Slide 14,
`figure 6, slide 15 PDX 111.6; 111.19
`Court reserves ruling on 45
`Defendant Apple attorney Swanson
`Cross of Cragg.
`Plaintiff Epic attorney Even Redirect of
`witness Cragg.
`No cross.
`Discussion with counsel
`UNDER SEAL PORTION
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`RECESS FOR THE DAY. FURTHER
`BENCH TRIAL SET 5/14/2021 AT
`8:00AM
`COURT REPORTER: PAM HEBEL
`Case called. Discussion with counsel re
`oral argument at conclusion of evidence.
`Plaintiff Epic attorney Bornstein Re-calls
`witness Dr. David Evans for Direct AS
`REBUTTAL WITNESS
`Summary Slide 25
`Slide 28 PDX .043; PDX .043.8
`Defendant Apple Attorney Swanson
`Cross of witness Evans.
`Plaintiff Epic attorney Bornstein
`Redirect of witness Evans.
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`RECESS (20 minutes)
`COURT REPORTER: DIANE
`SKILLMAN
`SEALED PORTION OF BENCH TRIAL
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`Plaintiff attorney Bornstein Direct of
`witness Evans
`Defendant attorney Swanson cross of
`witness Evans
`Witness excused from stand