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`UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
`NORTHERN DISTRICT OF CALIFORNIA
` BENCH TRIAL CIVIL MINUTES
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`Time: 8:00AM
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`Date: 5/21/2021
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`Judge: YVONNE
`GONZALEZ ROGERS
`Case No.: 20-cv-5640-YGR Case Name: Epic Games v. Apple Inc.
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`TIME: 8:00AM -10:16AM; 10:35AM-12:26PM; 1:16PM-2:25PM
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`Attorney for Plaintiff: Lead counsel: Katherine Forrest and Gary Bornstein
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`Attorney for Defendant: Lead counsel Richard Doren and Karen Dunn and Veronica Moye
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`Court Reporter:
`PAM HEBEL (8:00AM)
` DIANE SKILLMAN (1:15 PM)
`RAYNEE MERCADO (10:35 AM)
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`Deputy Clerk: Frances Stone
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`BENCH TRIAL BEGAN: 5/3/2021
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`PROCEEDINGS
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`Case called. Discussion with counsel.
` Counsel to submit final findings fact/conclusions of law by 5/28/2021 by 12:00 noon PDT.
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`Defendant Apple attorney Veronica Moye calls witness Tim Cook for Direct.
`Plaintiff Epic attorney Gary Bornstein Cross of witness Tim Cook.
`RECESS (20 minutes)
`Plaintiff Epic attorney Bornstein resumes Cross of witness Cook.
`Defendant Apple attorney Moye Redirect of witness Cook. Plaintiff Epic attorney Bornstein Re-
`cross of witness Cook. Redirect. Court questions to witness Cook. Redirect. Re-cross. Witness
`excused from stand.
`RECESS(until 1:15pm)
`Plaintiff Epic attorney Brent Byars resumes Cross of witness Aviel Rubin. Defendant Apple
`attorney Jason Lo Redirect of witness Rubin. Re-Cross. Witness excused from the stand.
`PLAINTIFF RESTS.
`DEFENDANT RESTS,
`Discussion with counsel. The Court states on the record all exhibits that have been admitted into
`evidence.
`RECESS FOR THE DAY. Further Bench Trial Monday , May 24, 2021 at 8:00 AM.
`EXHIBITS ADMITTED IN EVIDENCE:
`DEFENDANT:
`DX 3084-A
`DX 5573 (subject to sealing)
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`UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
`NORTHERN DISTRICT OF CALIFORNIA
` BENCH TRIAL CIVIL MINUTES
`
`Time: 8:00AM
`
`Date: 5/21/2021
`
`Judge: YVONNE
`GONZALEZ ROGERS
`Case No.: 20-cv-5640-YGR Case Name: Epic Games v. Apple Inc.
`
`
`TIME: 8:00AM -10:16AM; 10:35AM-12:26PM; 1:16PM-2:25PM
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`Attorney for Plaintiff: Lead counsel: Katherine Forrest and Gary Bornstein
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`Attorney for Defendant: Lead counsel Richard Doren and Karen Dunn and Veronica Moye
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`Court Reporter:
`PAM HEBEL (8:00AM)
` DIANE SKILLMAN (1:15 PM)
`RAYNEE MERCADO (10:35 AM)
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`
`Deputy Clerk: Frances Stone
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`BENCH TRIAL BEGAN: 5/3/2021
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`PROCEEDINGS
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`Case called. Discussion with counsel.
` Counsel to submit final findings fact/conclusions of law by 5/28/2021 by 12:00 noon PDT.
`
`Defendant Apple attorney Veronica Moye calls witness Tim Cook for Direct.
`Plaintiff Epic attorney Gary Bornstein Cross of witness Tim Cook.
`RECESS (20 minutes)
`Plaintiff Epic attorney Bornstein resumes Cross of witness Cook.
`Defendant Apple attorney Moye Redirect of witness Cook. Plaintiff Epic attorney Bornstein Re-
`cross of witness Cook. Redirect. Court questions to witness Cook. Redirect. Re-cross. Witness
`excused from stand.
`RECESS(until 1:15pm)
`Plaintiff Epic attorney Brent Byars resumes Cross of witness Aviel Rubin. Defendant Apple
`attorney Jason Lo Redirect of witness Rubin. Re-Cross. Witness excused from the stand.
`PLAINTIFF RESTS.
`DEFENDANT RESTS,
`Discussion with counsel. The Court states on the record all exhibits that have been admitted into
`evidence.
`RECESS FOR THE DAY. Further Bench Trial Monday , May 24, 2021 at 8:00 AM.
`EXHIBITS ADMITTED IN EVIDENCE:
`DEFENDANT:
`DX 3084-A
`DX 5573 (subject to sealing)
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`Continued on Page Two>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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`PAGE TWO
`BENCH TRIAL CIVIL MINUTES
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`Time: 8:00AM
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`Date: 5/21/2021
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`Judge: YVONNE
`GONZALEZ ROGERS
`Case No.: 20-cv-5640-YGR Case Name: Epic Games v. Apple Inc.
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`PLAINTIFF :
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