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`·1· · · · · ·IN THE UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
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`·2· · · · ·FOR THE NORTHERN DISTRICT OF CALIFORNIA
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`·4· ·FINJAN, INC., a Delaware
`· · ·Corporation,
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`· · · · · · · ·Plaintiff,· · · · · · · ·Case No.
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`· · ·JUNIPER NETWORKS, INC., a
`·8· ·Delaware Corporation,
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`· · · · · · · ·Defendant.
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`13· · *** HIGHLY CONFIDENTIAL - ATTORNEYS' EYES ONLY ***
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`15· · · · VIDEOTAPED DEPOSITION OF JULIE MAR-SPINOLA
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`16· · · · · · · · Tuesday, October 30, 2018
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`23· ·Reported by:
`· · ·Tavia Manning, CSR No. 13294, CLR, CCRR, RPR
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`25· ·Job No. LA-197250
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`·1· ·those patents?
`·2· · · · · · MR. KASTENS:· Objection; form.
`·3· · · · · · THE WITNESS:· Yes.· I think so.
`·4· ·BY MS. CARSON:
`·5· · · · Q.· Do you know whether Finjan Mobile practices
`·6· ·any of the patents that have been asserted against
`·7· ·Juniper?
`·8· · · · · · MR. KASTENS:· Objection; form.
`·9· · · · · · THE WITNESS:· I don't know that offhand. I
`10· ·know that Finjan Mobile practices some patents that
`11· ·are owned by Finjan, Inc., but I -- you know,
`12· ·there's too many for me to remember in terms of
`13· ·Juniper versus Finjan Mobile.
`14· ·BY MS. CARSON:
`15· · · · Q.· Does Finjan Mobile mark its Vital Security
`16· ·browser product?
`17· · · · A.· Yes.
`18· · · · Q.· How does it mark?
`19· · · · A.· We do it on the -- virtually, virtual
`20· ·notice on the website, and I believe on our
`21· ·marketing materials.
`22· · · · Q.· The Vital Security product is an app;
`23· ·correct?
`24· · · · A.· It is.
`25· · · · · · MR. KASTENS:· Objection; form.
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`·1· ·licenses contain marking provisions?
`·2· · · · · · MR. KASTENS:· Objection; form.
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`·5· ·BY MS. CARSON:
`·6· · · · Q.· Do you know whether of any Finjan's
`·7· ·licensees practice the patents that have been
`·8· ·asserted against Juniper in this case?
`·9· · · · · · MR. KASTENS:· Objection; form.
`10· · · · · · THE WITNESS:· Would you say that again?
`11· ·BY MS. CARSON:
`12· · · · Q.· Do you know whether any of Finjan's
`13· ·licensees practice the patents that have been
`14· ·asserted against Juniper in this case?
`15· · · · · · MR. KASTENS:· Objection; form.
`16· · · · · · THE WITNESS:· I don't remember what patents
`17· ·we asserted against Juniper right now, and it would
`18· ·take a lot of time for me to answer that question
`19· ·and to get the answer to your question.· I can't
`20· ·answer it now.· I would be guessing.
`21· ·BY MS. CARSON:
`22· · · · Q.· Does Finjan believe that its licensees
`23· ·actually use its patents?
`24· · · · A.· Of course.
`25· · · · · · MR. KASTENS:· Objection; form.
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`·1· · · · · · THE WITNESS:· It is an app, the mobile
`·2· ·device app.
`·3· ·BY MS. CARSON:
`·4· · · · Q.· When you pull up the Finjan Mobile product
`·5· ·in the app store, does Finjan list its -- the
`·6· ·patents that cover it there?
`·7· · · · · · MR. KASTENS:· Objection; form.
`·8· · · · · · THE WITNESS:· I don't know.· I didn't check
`·9· ·that.· To the extent that it is doable and
`10· ·permissible in those stores, because I know both the
`11· ·Google Play and -- what's Apple's -- Apple Store,
`12· ·they have certain restrictions and requirements.
`13· · · · · · So if it's not there, that's why we do the
`14· ·virtual, just because we know there we can -- we can
`15· ·consistently provide our notices, like a lot of
`16· ·companies in the Valley.
`17· ·BY MS. CARSON:
`18· · · · Q.· Does the Finjan Mobile product list any
`19· ·patent numbers on the info page for the app once you
`20· ·download it?
`21· · · · A.· I don't know.
`22· · · · Q.· Do you know whether any of Finjan's
`23· ·licenses contain marking provisions?
`24· · · · A.· Finjan?· Which entity?
`25· · · · Q.· Do you know whether any of Finjan, Inc.'s
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`·1· ·BY MS. CARSON:
`·2· · · · Q.· One of Finjan's licensees is Trustwave;
`·3· ·correct?
`·4· · · · A.· Yes.· It's not just a licensee.· Well, I
`·5· ·guess, yeah, it's under a license.
`·6· · · · Q.· Why do you say "it's not just a licensee"?
`·7· · · · · · MR. KASTENS:· Objection; form.
`·8· · · · · · THE WITNESS:· Trustwave had acquired
`·9· ·Finjan's product division, what I am going to call a
`10· ·"product division," for our gateway products back
`11· ·before I joined the company.
`12· · · · · · And so they continue to manufacture the
`13· ·gateways -- I don't know if they call it "Vital
`14· ·Security" anymore, but it's still incorporates -- I
`15· ·believe it still incorporates portions of Finjan's
`16· ·protocols and source code, and their license is
`17· ·still in existence, yeah.
`18· ·BY MS. CARSON:
`19· · · · Q.· Finjan recently sued Trustwave; correct?
`20· · · · · · MR. KASTENS:· Objection; form.
`21· · · · · · THE WITNESS:· Yes.
`22· ·BY MS. CARSON:
`23· · · · Q.· What was the basis for that lawsuit?
`24· · · · · · MR. KASTENS:· Objection; form.
`25· · · · · · THE WITNESS:· It was so much more fun when
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