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`PAUL ANDRE (State Bar No. 196585)
`pandre@kramerlevin.com
`LISA KOBIALKA (State Bar No. 191404)
`lkobialka@kramerlevin.com
`JAMES HANNAH (State Bar No. 237978)
`jhannah@kramerlevin.com
`HANNAH LEE (State Bar No. 253197)
`hlee@kramerlevin.com
`KRAMER LEVIN NAFTALIS & FRANKEL LLP
`990 Marsh Road
`Menlo Park, CA 94025
`Telephone: (650) 752-1700
`Facsimile: (650) 752-1800
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`Attorneys for Plaintiff
`FINJAN, INC.
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`IN THE UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
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`FOR THE NORTHERN DISTRICT OF CALIFORNIA
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`FINJAN, INC.,
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`Case No.: 17-cv-05659-WHA
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`FINJAN’S PROPOSED REDACTIONS –
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`EXHIBIT 2 TO JUNIPER NETWORKS,
`INC.’S MOTION TO EXCLUDE THE
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`·1· · · · Is that correct?
`·2· ·A.· ·Yes.
`·3· · · · · · · · ATTORNEY KAGAN:
`·4· · · · · · · · Yeah.· I've marked Exhibit 1096 as an
`·5· ·article about Finjan's best practices.
`·6· · · · · · · · · · · · · · ·---
`·7· · · · · · · · (Whereupon, Deposition Exhibit 1096,
`·8· · · · · · · · Finjan Best Practices Article, was marked
`·9· · · · · · · · For identification.)
`10· · · · · · · · · · · · · · ·---
`11· ·BY ATTORNEY KAGAN:
`12· ·Q.· ·But I think we covered everything in a previous
`13· ·discussion.
`14· ·A.· ·Okay.
`15· ·Q.· ·You're free to look at it.· But I'm not going to
`16· ·ask you any questions right now about it.
`17· ·A.· ·No.
`18· ·Q.· ·Do you recall any occasions where Finjan granted
`19· ·license to only one patent?
`20· · · · · · · · ATTORNEY KASTENS:
`21· · · · · · · · Objection, form.
`22· · · · · · · · THE WITNESS:
`23· · · · · · · · No.
`24· ·BY ATTORNEY KAGAN:
`25· ·Q.· ·Have any of the companies that have licenses to
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`·1· ·Finjan's patent approached Finjan first about obtaining
`·2· ·a license?· Or is every party been approached first by
`·3· ·Finjan?
`·4· · · · · · · · ATTORNEY KASTENS:
`·5· · · · · · · · Objection, form.
`·6· · · · · · · · THE WITNESS:
`·7· · · · · · · · My understanding was Microsoft reached out
`·8· ·to Finjan.
`·9· ·BY ATTORNEY KAGAN:
`10· ·Q.· ·That was before you were at Finjan.
`11· · · · Right?
`12· ·A.· ·Correct.
`13· ·Q.· ·Aside from Microsoft, do you believe any party
`14· ·reached out to Finjan for a license?
`15· ·A.· ·Not that I recall.
`16· ·Q.· ·A number of licenses at Finjan has entered into
`17· ·included a lump sum payment.
`18· · · · Is that correct?
`19· · · · · · · · ATTORNEY KASTENS:
`20· · · · · · · · Objection, form.
`21· · · · · · · · THE WITNESS:
`22· · · · · · · · What was it?· What was the question?
`23· ·BY ATTORNEY KAGAN:
`24· ·Q.· ·A number of the licenses.· Let me strike it.
`25· · · · A number of licenses that Finjan has entered into
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`·1· ·included a lump sum payment.
`·2· · · · Is that correct?
`·3· · · · · · · · ATTORNEY KASTENS:
`·4· · · · · · · · Objection, form.
`·5· · · · · · · · THE WITNESS:
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`·7· ·BY ATTORNEY KAGAN:
`·8· ·Q.· ·But some include just an upfront payment.
`·9· · · · Is that correct?
`10· ·A.· ·Yeah.· Not all, yeah.
`11· ·Q.· ·And so you mentioned that Finjan has a proposed
`12· ·royalty rate of 8 percent for software and 16 percent
`13· ·for hardware?
`14· ·A.· ·Vice versa.
`15· ·Q.· ·Sorry.· Thank you.· Let me start over.
`16· · · · So Finjan has an opening rate of 8 percent for
`17· ·hardware, 16 percent for software.
`18· · · · Is that correct?
`19· ·A.· ·Right.
`20· · · · · · · · ATTORNEY KASTENS:
`21· · · · · · · · Objection to form.
`22· · · · · · · · THE WITNESS:
`23· · · · · · · · Correct.
`24· ·BY ATTORNEY KAGAN:
`25· ·Q.· ·How do those --- strike that.
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`·1· · · · For royalty rates scenario --- strike that.
`·2· · · · What's the relationship between the lump sum
`·3· ·payments and the percentage royalties that Finjan is
`·4· ·seeking?
`·5· · · · · · · · ATTORNEY KASTENS:
`·6· · · · · · · · Objection, form.
`·7· · · · · · · · THE WITNESS:
`·8· · · · · · · · I don't know what that means.
`·9· ·BY ATTORNEY KAGAN:
`10· ·Q.· ·When --- you're familiar with the difference
`11· ·between a running royalty and a paid-off license?
`12· ·A.· ·Yes.
`13· ·Q.· ·So when Finjan makes its opening offers generally,
`14· ·is it a lump sum payment based on the estimates of
`15· ·sales or is it a running royalty?
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`25· ·Q.· ·So in a situation where a party were seeking a
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