Case 3:17-cv-05659-WHA Document 230-13 Filed 11/12/18 Page 1 of 3
`Case 3:17-cv-05659-WHA Document 230-13 Filed 11/12/18 Page 1 of 3
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`EXHIBIT 11
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`Case 3:17-cv-05659-WHA Document 230-13 Filed 11/12/18 Page 2 of 3
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`·1· ·BY MS. CARSON:
`·2· · · · · Q.· ·So the question was:· Do all relational
`·3· ·databases have a database manager?
`·4· · · · · · · · · · ·MR. KASTENS:· Objection.· Form.
`·5· · · · · · · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· ·I always struggle
`·6· ·with the word "all," but I would say most databases
`·7· ·and most relational databases do have a database
`·8· ·manager.
`·9· ·BY MS. CARSON:
`10· · · · · Q.· ·So most databases generally have a
`11· ·database manager?
`12· · · · · · · · · · ·MR. KASTENS:· Objection.· Form.
`13· · · · · · · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· ·Once again, I'd
`14· ·have to look at specifics, but -- but typically the
`15· ·database managers have you interact and respond with
`16· ·the database.
`17· ·BY MS. CARSON:
`18· · · · · Q.· ·Would it be possible to interact or
`19· ·respond with a database without having a database
`20· ·manager?
`21· · · · · · · · · · ·MR. KASTENS:· Objection.· Form.
`22· · · · · · · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· ·Potentially, but
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`·1· ·that wasn't -- I did not perform that analysis.
`·2· ·Because based on the claim language, they required a
`·3· ·database manager.· That's where I really focused my
`·4· ·analysis on the Juniper products.
`·5· ·BY MS. CARSON:
`·6· · · · · Q.· ·Finjan didn't invent the concept of a
`·7· ·database manager; correct?
`·8· · · · · · · · · · ·MR. KASTENS:· Objection.· Form.
`·9· ·Outside the scope.
`10· · · · · · · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· ·Once again, I'd
`11· ·have to go back and check, but databases have been
`12· ·around for a while.· So, but most likely not.· They
`13· ·focused on the specific uniqueness of this
`14· ·invention.
`15· ·BY MS. CARSON:
`16· · · · · Q.· ·And would you agree that the specific
`17· ·uniqueness of this invention is not the use of a
`18· ·database manager?
`19· · · · · · · · · · ·MR. KASTENS:· Objection.· Form.
`20· ·Outside the scope.
`21· · · · · · · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· ·It's a use of a
`22· ·database manager coupled with the Downloadable
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`·1· ·scanner for storing the Downloadable security
`·2· ·profile in a database.
`·3· ·BY MS. CARSON:
`·4· · · · · Q.· ·So is the database manager a point of
`·5· ·novelty in the claim?
`·6· · · · · · · · · · ·MR. KASTENS:· Objection.· Form.
`·7· ·Outside the scope.
`·8· · · · · · · · · · ·MS. CARSON:· You need to stop the
`·9· ·outside of the scope objections.
`10· · · · · · · · · · ·MR. KASTENS:· He's not a validity
`11· ·expert.· He's here to talk about your technology.
`12· ·You haven't asked him a single question on it.
`13· · · · · · · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· ·Sorry.· Could you
`14· ·repeat the question?
`15· ·BY MS. CARSON:
`16· · · · · Q.· ·The question is:· So is the database
`17· ·manager a point of novelty in the claim?
`18· · · · · · · · · · ·MR. KASTENS:· Objection.· Form.
`19· · · · · · · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· ·I did not focus on
`20· ·what is and what was not novel.· I was focusing on
`21· ·the infringement.· So I was looking at the entire
`22· ·language of the claim and verifying and validating
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`·1· ·the Juniper products met every element.
`·2· ·BY MS. CARSON:
`·3· · · · · Q.· ·Based on your 30 years of experience in
`·4· ·this field, you recognize that database managers
`·5· ·existed prior to the '494 patent; correct?
`·6· · · · · · · · · · ·MR. KASTENS:· Objection.· Form.
`·7· · · · · · · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· ·I believe my
`·8· ·testimony was databases existed, and I was pretty
`·9· ·sure that database managers existed prior also.
`10· ·BY MS. CARSON:
`11· · · · · Q.· ·Do you agree that the SRX alone does
`12· ·not infringe the '494 patent?
`13· · · · · · · · · · ·MR. KASTENS:· Objection.· Form.
`14· · · · · · · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· ·(Reviews document).
`15· · · · · · · · · · ·It is the SRX Gateways and the Sky
`16· ·ATP that infringe Claim 10.· It's not SRX Gateways
`17· ·by themselves.
`18· ·BY MS. CARSON:
`19· · · · · Q.· ·So would you agree that Claim 10 would
`20· ·not be infringed in SRX deployments that do not use
`21· ·Sky ATP?
`22· · · · · · · · · · ·MR. KASTENS:· Objection.· Form.
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`·1· · · · · · · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· ·My understanding is
`·2· ·that Sky ATP is a key component of how the SRX works
`·3· ·and operates, but if you had an independent SRX with
`·4· ·zero interaction with Sky ATP, then I would have to
`·5· ·go back and perform separate analysis.· My analysis
`·6· ·was focused on the SRX and the Sky ATP together.
`·7· ·BY MS. CARSON:
`·8· · · · · Q.· ·So your infringement opinion does not
`·9· ·cover SRX deployments that do not use Sky ATP;
`10· ·correct?
`11· · · · · · · · · · ·MR. KASTENS:· Objection.· Form.
`12· · · · · · · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· Yeah.· My report
`13· ·focused on infringement of SRX Gateways and the Sky
`14· ·ATP together.
`15· ·BY MS. CARSON:
`16· · · · · Q.· ·And you did not independently analyze
`17· ·whether the SRX alone without Sky ATP infringes the
`18· ·'494 patent; correct?
`19· · · · · · · · · · ·MR. KASTENS:· Objection.· Form.
`20· · · · · · · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· ·I did not perform
`21· ·that independent analysis.
`22· ·BY MS. CARSON:
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`·1· ·include assessing whether SRX alone without Sky ATP
`·2· ·infringes the '494 patent.· Fair statement?
`·3· · · · · · · · · · ·MR. KASTENS:· Objection.· Form.
`·4· · · · · · · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· ·That would be a
`·5· ·fair statement.
`·6· ·BY MS. CARSON:
`·7· · · · · Q.· ·In looking at Juniper's source code,
`·8· ·did you see any evidence that the SRX stores
`·9· ·security profiles for Downloadables apart from the
`10· ·functionality in Sky ATP?
`11· · · · · · · · · · ·MR. KASTENS:· Objection.· Form.
`12· · · · · · · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· ·Because my
`13· ·assignment was to look at both of those together, I
`14· ·was not focused on looking for that in my analysis.
`15· · · · · · · · · · ·I'm not sure if you saw the source
`16· ·code computer, but there's a lot of source code.· So
`17· ·for only two days actually having the system, I
`18· ·really focused in on the specific elements of them
`19· ·together.· I did not look at SRX independently.
`20· ·BY MS. CARSON:
`21· · · · · Q.· ·Did you independently look at whether
`22· ·SRX uses any databases apart from what's included in
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`·1· · · · · Q.· ·Why didn't you perform that analysis?
`·2· · · · · · · · · · ·MR. KASTENS:· Objection.· Form.
`·3· · · · · · · · · · ·I caution the witness not to
`·4· ·divulge any communications with counsel.
`·5· · · · · · · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· ·I guess to be
`·6· ·careful, I'll just read the first sentence.
`·7· · · · · · · · · · ·"I have been asked by plaintiff
`·8· ·Finjan, Inc. to submit an expert declaration on
`·9· ·whether Juniper, Inc.'s SRX Gateways and Sky ATP
`10· ·products infringe Claim 10."
`11· · · · · · · · · · ·So that's what I was asked to
`12· ·perform in this report.
`13· ·BY MS. CARSON:
`14· · · · · Q.· ·So you didn't independently analyze SRX
`15· ·so?
`16· · · · · · · · · · ·MR. KASTENS:· Objection.· Form.
`17· · · · · · · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· ·Not independently.
`18· ·My -- my assignment for this report was, I was asked
`19· ·to go in and determine whether the SRX Gateway and
`20· ·the Sky ATP products together infringe Claim 10.
`21· ·BY MS. CARSON:
`22· · · · · Q.· ·So the scope of your assignment did not
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`·1· ·Sky ATP?
`·2· · · · · · · · · · ·MR. KASTENS:· Objection.· Form.
`·3· · · · · · · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· ·No.· As I stated,
`·4· ·that was outside the scope.· So I did not look at
`·5· ·that specifically.
`·6· ·BY MS. CARSON:
`·7· · · · · Q.· ·If you can take a look at paragraph 19
`·8· ·of your declaration.
`·9· · · · · · · ·The first sentence here is:
`10· · · · · · · ·"Juniper Sky ATP is a cloud-based
`11· ·scanning system used by Juniper that is critical to
`12· ·Juniper's differentiation from competitors and to
`13· ·prevent Juniper's products from commoditization."
`14· · · · · · · ·Do you see that?
`15· · · · · A.· ·Yes, I do.
`16· · · · · Q.· ·What did you mean by that?
`17· · · · · · · · · · ·MR. KASTENS:· Objection.· Form.
`18· · · · · · · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· ·Just to make sure I
`19· ·fully answer that, could I have Exhibit 6 so I could
`20· ·look at that in context?
`21· ·BY MS. CARSON:
`22· · · · · Q.· ·I'm not sure if I have Exhibit 6.
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